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That's what I thought too. She is totally unqualified to be a federal judge for any case (per The American Bar Association) so this may be the best way to get away from Trump.
I wouldn't be surprised if she were trying to get herself off. She owes a debt she can't technically repay by law, so the best she can do is try to get removed by "them" but she made a show of literally doing everything including dismissing precedent. This way she gets out of the hot seat and all the unstable wackadoos see her as having gone above and beyond for dear leader. She always looks like she reeks of Estée Lauder and fear.
 

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It is up to you at the Ballot Box.
Vote.
Vote like lives depend on it.
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I was right it will be Vance for VP. I mean this makes huge amount of strategic sense if you take a closer look.


1. Rust belt play - let's be honest this is the most important part of the map, that will almost surely decide the outcome. Therefore having a VP from the region could really help you. Especially since Georgia will probably flip no matter what (and Arizona is close to that).

2. He is Senator from from Ohio and the other senator is Democratic one. In other words he took the seat 2 years ago while the democrat 6 years ago (what means that his number are more up to date in a sense). What means that he could swing that seat and turn Ohio into completely red state (since there would be a red majority on all levels). However if that happens it is basically certain that the senate is going red. Since the Dems wouldn't flip Texas or Florida as counter (let's be honest).

3. He isn't even 40 and that means that Kamala can technically be his mother if we judge purely by age. Therefore in the both tops of the ticket he is evidently the youngest out of 4 people in there. What can potentially be a huge factor regarding the race. Because no one really is covering that area when it comes to top of the ticket. "Biden can be my grandfather" is an element that can have it's own weight if it is played in a right way.




What J.D. Vance really thinks about Europe

On the other hand I am amazed how politicians from around the world just throw shit at Europe. Since they evidently forgot that in a sense this is Europe that they actually like or perhaps even need. Because if you are going to throw insult after insult at Europe the odds are that Europe will indeed fully mobilize ... and in history books it clearly says how that looks in practice. Not to even mention all the stuff that Europe was doing some 200-300 years ago globally. Nice Europeans are loosing ground all over the political map and the continent is in a sense at the edge of nervous brakedown. Therefore careful with wishes Vance. Federal Euopean structures already exist in detail and now you just have to fill them with radicals to get 1940s. The era that brought large problems to US even when it was much stronger country on the inside.
 

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I was right it will be Vance for VP. I mean this makes huge amount of strategic sense if you take a closer look.


1. Rust belt play - let's be honest this is the most important part of the map, that will almost surely decide the outcome. Therefore having a VP from the region could really help you. Especially since Georgia will probably flip no matter what (and Arizona is close to that).

2. He is Senator from from Ohio and the other senator is Democratic one. In other words he took the seat 2 years ago while the democrat 6 years ago (what means that his number are more up to date in a sense). What means that he could swing that seat and turn Ohio into completely red state (since there would be a red majority on all levels). However if that happens it is basically certain that the senate is going red. Since the Dems wouldn't flip Texas or Florida as counter (let's be honest).

3. He isn't even 40 and that means that Kamala can technically be his mother if we judge purely by age. Therefore in the both tops of the ticket he is evidently the youngest out of 4 people in there. What can potentially be a huge factor regarding the race. Because no one really is covering that area when it comes to top of the ticket. "Biden can be my grandfather" is an element that can have it's own weight if it is played in a right way.
Appalachia really doesn't like him and, he doesn't shore up any of Trump weaknesses. They might should have picked a better strategy.
 

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Appalachia really doesn't like him and, he doesn't shore up any of Trump weaknesses. They might should have picked a better strategy.

I am quite ready to bet that pretty much entire region will continue to be red in November. On the other hand this isn't the strategy of balance and covering weaknesses but of punching through. What might actually work pretty well if the dems are this much in disarray.


Just saying
 

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It's not a good idea to always bet on red, even in roulette.


Just saying.
 

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It's not a good idea to always bet on red, even in roulette.


Just saying.


Probably, but 2024 just looks as the year where that is fairly safe bet. Especially since the dam somehow didn't brake in 2022 due to Roe. However that means that today you have build up pressure(s).


I am sorry but as you probably realized by now I am not the guy that is into sugarcoating.
 

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Probably, but 2024 just looks as the year where that is fairly safe bet. Especially since the dam somehow didn't brake in 2022 due to Roe. However that means that today you have build up pressure(s).


I am sorry but as you probably realized by now I am not the guy that is into sugarcoating.
What does what you were expecting look like? I'm genuinely curious, you seem to have a very specific vision, which you didn't see in 2022?

No need to apologize my perfectly perspicacious posting pal, I make no assumptions what you're into coating with sugar or not. I do sometimes wonder if you don't enjoy circling injured or dying animals in the wilderness while riding air currents, or if you're just a lot of fun at funeral parties, either way you seem like you have a lot of fun, and I can certainly enjoy a cynic with a sense of humor so to each his own. :cheers:
 

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What does what you were expecting look like? I'm genuinely curious, you seem to have a very specific vision, which you didn't see in 2022?

No need to apologize my perfectly perspicacious posting pal, I make no assumptions what you're into coating with sugar or not. I do sometimes wonder if you don't enjoy circling injured or dying animals in the wilderness while riding air currents, or if you're just a lot of fun at funeral parties, either way you seem like you have a lot of fun, and I can certainly enjoy a cynic with a sense of humor so to each his own. :cheers:
Poking dead animals with a stick is how Eastern Europeans show their appreciation. Otherwise they wouldn't bother with you at all.
 

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What does what you were expecting look like? I'm genuinely curious, you seem to have a very specific vision, which you didn't see in 2022?

No need to apologize my perfectly perspicacious posting pal, I make no assumptions what you're into coating with sugar or not. I do sometimes wonder if you don't enjoy circling injured or dying animals in the wilderness while riding air currents, or if you're just a lot of fun at funeral parties, either way you seem like you have a lot of fun, and I can certainly enjoy a cynic with a sense of humor so to each his own. :cheers:


To that I can only say: when I was younger I played a lot of Necromancer types. To make things worse that didn't stop because I truly changed but because I don't have too much time at this point.


The thing is that in 2022 dems were saved by collapse of Roe. However you can't really expect that the same thing will happen twice. Especially since post Roe reality got defined for the most part. While on the other hand the democratic party is evidently in the biggest internal chaos since the start of the century (at least). In my local news I see more and more of "How exactly will we work with Trump?" rather than "Will Trump win"?". What kinda signals that EU politics expects that Trump will win and that preparations have to be made. Actually there are European politicians at current convention (and not all of them are radicals). Which is exactly since they are preparing the ground game for the scenario that Trump wins. After all as Europe is openly moving towards right you can expect that the ratio of Europeans supporting red and blue will change and the support for red is evidently growing (the Europeans tend be white if no one noticed). However that will leave it's impact in how online game is played and what will be the results in November.

The number of European's that are "liberalism at all costs" has significantly went down over the last two years. In general when things get really tough through wars or shortages that usually favors the right. Therefore when it comes to November I don't really see some grand exception. Especially since the dems right now are just too soft to turn this around. Typical US commentator doesn't really consider this but tens of million of Europeans are switching to Trump in online world and that can be quite a factor in all this (that is mostly on anti-immigration basis). What is the swing that no one really considers. However if you think that it doesn't matter: take a look at your concerned post about what I am typing here.



At this point I am more of a cynical observer than anything else.
 

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What kinda signals that EU politics expects that Trump will win and that preparations have to be made.
Now that Vance is Trump's running mate and he seems to be even more of a Fortress America guy than Trump is, I hope Ukraine is also making preparations. There won't be any more aid coming from the US after what's been promised in the last batch I suspect. Ukraine needs to push as hard as they can over the next few months and then it's up to the EU to help if they are willing/able. Otherwise Ukraine will have to be prepared to cede their lost territory to Russia (assuming that will satisfy Putin for the next few years - more bad news if it doesn't).

I don't see any path to a Democratic victory any more. It's going to be 'interesting times' in America over the next few years. And it's not that comfortable in Canada when the elephant next door country gets erratic either.
 

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To that I can only say: when I was younger I played a lot of Necromancer types. To make things worse that didn't stop because I truly changed but because I don't have too much time at this point.


The thing is that in 2022 dems were saved by collapse of Roe. However you can't really expect that the same thing will happen twice. Especially since post Roe reality got defined for the most part. While on the other hand the democratic party is evidently in the biggest internal chaos since the start of the century (at least). In my local news I see more and more of "How exactly will we work with Trump?" rather than "Will Trump win"?". What kinda signals that EU politics expects that Trump will win and that preparations have to be made. Actually there are European politicians at current convention (and not all of them are radicals). Which is exactly since they are preparing the ground game for the scenario that Trump wins. After all as Europe is openy moving towards rigth you can expect that the ratio of Europeans supporting red and blue will change and the support for red is evidently growing (the Europeans tend be white if no one noticed). However that will leave it's impact in how online game is played and what will be the results in November.

The number of European's that are "liberalism at all costs" has significantly went down over the last two years. In general when things get really tought through wars or shortages that unsually favors the right. Therefore when it comes to November I don't realy see some grand exception. Especailly since the dems righ now are just too soft to turn this around. Typical US commentator doesn't really consider this but tens of million of Euopeans are switching to Trump in online world that can be quite a factor in all this (that is mostly on anti-immigration basis). What is the swing that no one really cosiders. However if you think that it doesn't matter: take a look at your concerned post about what I am typing here.



At this point I am more of a cynical observer than anything else.
Thanks, yeah that's why I was asking. There's a lot of different ways Americans react to stuff like this, there are the loud minorities, who get out and make the ruckus, and our news media cycle is such to eat that up and by repetition and a million camera angles and wording the same story in all the ways possible as long as its scary, kind of gives the sense that there's more people who react that way than dont. Im sure different members from all over the states can offer insight into how the people in their specific areas tend to react, but where I am, folks when they get mad about something poltiically, they tend to keep low key until they get to the ballot. It's for whatever reason considered bad form to talk politics with polite company, the most of a fuss most people make is the yard signs, 16, and 20 they were everywhere for trump. 24, they are nowhere, but one guy who apparently is ride or die. Not saying folk still wont be red or dead when it comes to voting, but the normies i talk to aint too enthused with him, lot of folks even stopped wearing their red hats.

Lots of folks, lots of normie republicans are gonna go into the boxes and vote for not trump. Doesnt meant theyre all gonna vote for joe, lot of them are gonna say they voted for trump...but they very well may have overplayed their hands.

There's definitely some kind of shennanigans going on with our news outlets, quite a few of the mainstreams are owned by "trump supporters" and some of the lefty outlets here are either sleeping with the enemy or just quoting their subscribers echo chamber whos just not gonna be happy unless they get everything they want with no compromises, idk. But there are still outlets and places to get less finnessed news of the day.

I don't envy the fearful place the rest of the world is in with so much for so many depending on elections this year, and our media being such a three ring circus with the mad seemingly hopeless fearmongering of the news cycle.

I remember being pretty amazed seeing some of y'alls news clips of politicians getting into fist fights and tossed into dumpsters. That kind of stuff if often pointed at as signs that y'all are secretly what you're afraid we are. Which is unfortuate, but I've no doubt profitable to people higher up than any of us down here in the real world of those of us who work for a living, present company included in the us category. That's why I still enjoy coming here to talk politics with y'all over there. I enjoy learning the different perspectives and trivia. I just think its neat.

I definitely picked up on the necromancer type. You've got the gallows humor vibe. I developed a profound appreciation for it in the service and once you've seen a guy blown up from anything be it mechanical mishap or what have you, and it could happen to you just as seemingly at random, you either learn to develop a sense of humor about the grim possibilities of life or you go nuts. Sometimes I wonder whether or not I held out too long and went at least a little crazy, but then I reassure myself its the world that is going crazy, while I am only getting more sane. :ROFLMAO:

In any case, always great shooting the shit with you, alas we cant do it with a beer, so here's you on my next beer. Cheers.
 

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Poking dead animals with a stick is how Eastern Europeans show their appreciation. Otherwise they wouldn't bother with you at all.
Technically we're not dead yet, so I guess Eastern Europeans can also be in humor komodo dragons. Their bite is venomous and impressive also. :cheers:

But then he would say he wasnt dead yet wouldnt he, he's dead.​
 

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Now that Vance is Trump's running mate and he seems to be even more of a Fortress America guy than Trump is, I hope Ukraine is also making preparations. There won't be any more aid coming from the US after what's been promised in the last batch I suspect. Ukraine needs to push as hard as they can over the next few months and then it's up to the EU to help if they are willing/able. Otherwise Ukraine will have to be prepared to cede their lost territory to Russia (assuming that will satisfy Putin for the next few years - more bad news if it doesn't).

I don't see any path to a Democratic victory any more. It's going to be 'interesting times' in America over the next few years. And it's not that comfortable in Canada when the elephant next door country gets erratic either.

If the collective west doesn't boost aid openly occupied territories are already basically lost (at face value).
However the bigger question is how much more Ukraine will lose if aid stops. While in that case the main sub-question will actually be: how good will Ukrainians be in resistance style of conflict. Since even if Russia takes everything that probably wouldn't be the end of it. Especially since they will be spread out pretty thinly over the country that is almost 2 sizes of Texas. Not to mention that in that case all bets are off and activities could spread into various surrounding countries or even wider.


Therefore this war almost surely wouldn't end anytime soon. This is much deeper story than US aid on/off. Since struggle for independent Ukraine is going for centuries if I got it right. Slavs are simply "going through the wall" types and that is just how it is. What Herring wrote about us few posts back is us on mediocre day, not bad day.
 

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I definitely picked up on the necromancer type. You've got the gallows humor vibe. I developed a profound appreciation for it in the service and once you've seen a guy blown up from anything be it mechanical mishap or what have you, and it could happen to you just as seemingly at random, you either learn to develop a sense of humor about the grim possibilities of life or you go nuts. Sometimes I wonder whether or not I held out too long and went at least a little crazy, but then I reassure myself its the world that is going crazy, while I am only getting more sane. :ROFLMAO:


Those are realities that are known only to people that actually went into an active war zone. We can talk about this but you can't really translate this into simple words, this is simply something you have to experience for yourself to fully understand. As I said a few times before: if calling 911 will solve your problem(s) that only means that you were never in real danger. The real show starts when 911 call doesn't make any difference. In a funny way my own city offers pretty good lecture in the feeling. For generations it is tradition that cannon fires at noon in the downtown every day. The basic idea was that the whole city knows the exact time of the day in that moment. However since situation is tense in the region due to Ukraine as well as tensions in other regional fault-lines they made a rule to test the sirens once a month at weekends at noon. What creates interesting overlap in the downtown (that tourists like to visit). First there is explosion and then starts the armageddon sound city wide at volume that it is literally impossible to miss.






To be honest I still remember my first time when it wasn't a drill, even if the decades passed. I know exactly the moment since that is the sound you simply can't forget, especially at louder volume. What altogether means that those lovely tourists will also carry the memory with them.


So in the end I can only say: My dear Herring, we are simply made to be like that. Those that don't adapt probably wouldn't make it if things trully go wrong. Something what is actually fairly likely to happen in this part of the world with time (as you can see from your evening news every day).
 
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Condensed: Virtual Ghost is just somebody who calls things as they see them and I respect that. I think that's a good thing.

I relate to that as someone who has gotten a lot of criticism over the years for being negative, which was sometimes unwarranted (people were right to criticize me for this when I had depression and was going unmedicated). I made what hindsight shows to be some fairly sound points, but people were appalled by them, and sometimes treated me as having a moral failing for even expressing them. This was not because they could prove I was wrong (they never even tried to), but because they didn't like thinking about it.

I don't like toxic positivity (distinguished from positive psychology, which is an entirely different beast). Toxic positivity has a strong role to play in the saga of American politics, which means that it will have a big role to play in the dramas I will expect to be watching unfold as I live out my years.

I think we might be better off if we applied different modes of thinking to politics, something more rational or analytical. I could also live with aspirational too, depending on the vision. My ideal political candidate is, I suppose, someone passionately logical; someone who combines a vision or an aspiration with a logical way of approaching things.
 
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I mean if you just sweep the darkside under the rug and pretend that it isn't there the good odds are that with time you will find yourself surrounded by it.

However people who lack experience with it often prefer not to into the subject. What is dangerous if it is obvious that there is a big problem in the mix.
 

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If the collective west doesn't boost aid openly occupied territories are already basically lost (at face value).
However the bigger question is how much more Ukraine will lose if aid stops. While in that case the main sub-question will actually be: how good will Ukrainians be in resistance style of conflict. Since even if Russia takes everything that probably wouldn't be the end of it. Especially since they will be spread out pretty thinly over the country that is almost 2 sizes of Texas. Not to mention that in that case all bets are off and activities could spread into various surrounding countries or even wider.


Therefore this war almost surely wouldn't end anytime soon. This is much deeper story than US aid on/off. Since struggle for independent Ukraine is going for centuries if I got it right. Slavs are simply "going through the wall" types and that is just how it is. What Herring wrote about us few posts back is us on mediocre day, not bad day.
I am at least somewhat hopeful that since Trump boasted he would end the war, he will at least do that (one assumes by telling Ukraine, no more US aid, so cede your territory if you want peace). That does mean Putin has to agree to peace. If Putin rejects this and the war doesn't end Trump will lose face. If there is one thing one can rely on with Trump it is his own ego. He never likes to look bad.

I am assuming Trump doesn't go right off the deep end and stop caring what anyone thinks once he is POTUS again. If he does, all sorts of problems will ensue. Also, the one thing Russia has shown with this Ukraine invasion is how weak they are. This isn't the old USSR we are dealing with. The EU can boost Ukraine alone as long as they are willing to man up and foot the bill. You probably have a would have a better guess than I at whether they are willing.

Germany has been sketchy from the get go on their level of support, the Conservatives in UK (at least under Johnson were pro Ukraine), the French left seem to be pro Ukraine, the French right not so much. Spain/Italy have their own issues and probably can't afford to help even if they are interested. I'm sure some of the smaller countries are pro Ukraine but maybe can't help much . Canada is a non-EU example, pro Ukraine in tone, but with no military equipment of note and socialist issues having higher budget priority.
 
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I also think I was really hungry during my last post in this thread, so perhaps it might make sense to take that into account.
 
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