Random political thought thread.

[The Cat]

All good questions.​

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yeah, I think that at the end of the day they will probably keep him as the top candidate. Since change would probably just complicate a few things. However this is really really going to be uphill battle for the Democrats. While in the end the whole thing will probably be determined by turnout in swing states. Since the only real question here is "Is enough people afraid of Trump to vote for Biden no matter what". What is the only question that really matters, everything else are basically details.

 

[Hermit of the Forest]

Ageism must be a hell of a drug for the young and hopeless.

If ageism was what this is about most government officials would be under major pressure to resign. As it is, only the one displaying symptoms beyond normal aging is under fire.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Biden's speech in Detroit right now is actually pretty good.

 

[The Cat]

 

[SensEye]

Since the only real question here is "Is enough people afraid of Trump to vote for Biden no matter what". What is the only question that really matters, everything else are basically details.

Yep, a similar last minute panic like in France to block the right seems the only hope. Not sure America will work that way.

In other news,

Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., recently declared his support for President Biden as the Democratic Party’s nominee for 2024 amid a deluge of calls for the U.S. leader to abandon his re-election bid.

"Enough! Mr. Biden may not be the ideal candidate, but he will be the candidate and should be the candidate," the senator declared.

Here's my issue (which I have iterated before): if Donald Trump is the threat to democracy many purport him to be, does one send out 'not the ideal candidate'? Logic would dictate one should search high and low for the ideal candidate to counter such a dire threat. And that is neither Biden nor Harris. The Democratic party will have a lot to answer for if Trump wins.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yep, a similar last minute panic like in France to block the right seems the only hope. Not sure America will work that way.

In other news,


Here's my issue (which I have iterated before): if Donald Trump is the threat to democracy many purport him to be, does one send out 'not the ideal candidate'? Logic would dictate one should search high and low for the ideal candidate to counter such a dire threat. And that is neither Biden nor Harris. The Democratic party will have a lot to answer for if Trump wins.

Of course it wouldn't work that way. You don't have to look further than this forum to see "stand in line" approach to politics. I am sorry but that is how the country works. Pure blue/red style of thinking that tries to avoid all complications (since we must be faithful and because the other guy may win). And all of that because many people don't grasp that the direct approach may not always be the best one. I mean all of this should have been settled long before current moment (which isn't that far from election day). Therefore now it is perhaps indeed too late for genuine new page of national history.


In the case that the problem was contained to debate .... ok, we could pretend that this didn't happen. However since then Biden already made some serious mistakes right in front of the cameras. This is exactly why I said that the only real question here is "Is enough people afraid of Trump's second mandate?". In other words since Trump is no where near implosion it can be argued that the answer is "No". What then means that the Dems will choose the path of open struggle ... and then what happens. What for me is pointless gamble but in the end it is their country. The world will find some new balance no matter what happens.

 

[Hermit of the Forest]

Trump was shot.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm not sure we even know that. We know shots were fired and there were some light splatters of blood on Trump, but that's all. Nobody should be drawing any conclusions until there is more information available.

 

[Hermit of the Forest]

I'm not sure we even know that. We know shots were fired and there were some light splatters of blood on Trump, but that's all. Nobody should be drawing any conclusions until there is more information available.

There's a video, and you can clearly see the wound. Another person is confirmed dead. It's a dreadful thing to believe, but not unsubstantiated.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

There's a video, and you can clearly see the wound. Another person is confirmed dead. It's a dreadful thing to believe, but not unsubstantiated.

I went by the article I read. I don't always have the patience for videos. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that people shouldn't be drawing conclusions.

 

[Hermit of the Forest]

Biden is addressing it now.

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

Teddy Roosevelt, arguably the most manly man president we have ever had, was also shot while making a speech, except he finished the speech THEN addressed the shooter face to face. But he still lost the election.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Why 538's forecast hasn't moved much post-debate

 

[The Cat]

Must be nice to just own a judge or four​

 

[SensEye]

Why 538's forecast hasn't moved much post-debate

Everything has changed now anyways due to the assassination attempt. Biden's cognitive decline has been overshadowed and forgotten (ironically). I've seen some political musings that Trump may be a shoe in now, so no Democratic up and comer would want to risk losing to him. Leave Biden to carry that weight.

Looking forward to seeing the polls in a couple weeks. I think it will take a bit of time for all this chaos to settle and sink in.

 

[The Cat]

Onto the Court of Appeals. Cannon may have inadvertently or advertently gotten herself off the case in the future.​

 

[ceecee]

Onto the Court of Appeals. Cannon may have inadvertently or advertently gotten herself off the case in the future.​

That's what I thought too. She is totally unqualified to be a federal judge for any case (per The American Bar Association) so this may be the best way to get away from Trump.