Please educate me about Ti

[Cloudpatrol]

[MENTION=4877]Kaizer[/MENTION] (I recognize you now, smile!)

Yep, I was pretty feeeeely in that situation (thus the blush).

After thinking this over I have realized that I don’t relate to the challenge in communication outlined here. I personally don’t often experience a disconnect with other’s or need people to reassure me that ‘they are offering an opinion’.

I know people are offering opinions even if it isn’t stated. And, that some types communicate in a more direct way, with a tone that can suggest more ‘finality’ than I personally care for in internal processing. BUT, I actually value this directness in other’s. I think partially because I was raised around strong personalities/communicators and also because I never want to cut of a channel of potential learning

I DO want to thank you for changing me. Your logic has helped me see that it IS truly redundant to clarify things as ‘my opinion’ or water down thoughts. If I don’t expect other’s to do so, why am I asking it of myself? I hope to enact changes in the future, based on what you ‘made me see’.


[MENTION=26997]CitizenErased[/MENTION]

Cool we have common ground in that way.

I simply adore the way you explained data with ‘problem field’ and ‘big red x’s’. It gave me a clear mental image that improved my understanding and will stay with me


[MENTION=14015]Urarienev[/MENTION]

Because that's my point, is that it seems like the Ti user is guessing at that point about the other person. What they're thinking, and trying to convey, etc.

I am trying to decide how much of this specific aspect is related to type and how much is affected by social skill, individual function order/strength (or even introversion/extraversion)?

Some Ti dominant user’s have exceptional skill at ‘reading’ people and will ask direct questions if they are wondering what you are thinking. There’s evidence of that even in the responses in this thread.

Other people are quietly more internal-based and will sift through guesses or options, without asking for confirmation. Or as [MENTION=5223]MDP2525[/MENTION] said, to build off of or play with information.


[MENTION=9256]burymecloser[/MENTION]

I use phrases like, "I think" and "It seems to me" quite often, to avoid mischaracterizing my opinions as facts. I understand why that seems unnecessary to many people, but it is more precise and accurate, and it's an easy way to avoid conflict with Ti-users.

 

[Cellmold]

Try using deodorant.

I'm especially deodorised!

 

[Yara the Corpse]

so Ti is clarifying and noticing exceptions to clean up what mess may come out of other people's thoughts just to feel comfortable? So it's like internal OCD as compared to Te's more external OCD of "this is how things should be done" or "No, let me do that for you because you're dumb and incompetent". I think Ti is much easier to get along with then. Not that I am one, I just think it might be in my stack, maybe I could be an IxFJ. Actually now that I think about it... all rational judging functions are OCD in their own way, their very spontaneous and compulsive need to organize information according to their own rules. IxxJs and ExxPs though are probably less obnoxious about it.

 

[pinkgraffiti]

I am also a Te user PG (nice to see you btw, feels like it's been a while :hi

NFP’s can strongly display inferior or shadow functions (people fear shadow functions thinking they only rear their heads in negative circumstances, but they can be utilized to great effect). ie. I know that I score strongly with Ti even though I am Te dominant = why I felt ok to interlope this thread.

Getting consciously acquainted with & developing my inferior functions is a current obsession! [MENTION=13377]pinkgraffiti[/MENTION]

This is a concise explanation of how this cognitive study works:

Cognitive Processes and Type Dynamics

So, for you PG, The deceiving role, 7th function (Ti):
"The process that fills this role is often not trusted or seen as worthy of attention, for when we do engage it, we may make mistakes in perception or in decision making. Then we feel double bound—trapped between two bad options" and also
"This function will keenly observe and remember important information which may produce opinions or behavior that is agressive or arrogant. This function does not create, but adheres to observed behavior."


Thus, I understand your statement above. At the same time also taking all of this into account: which makes it somewhat type related [⁄QUOTE]

Hi! Yeah, it has been a while... I haven't seen a lot of interesting threads on here lately and....life!

Thanks for the link. Im going to read about it. But I am a little bit suspicious: I think Jung only acknowledged about the first 3 functions.... the 4th ok makes sense to me....but 5, 6, 7, 8? Is there any scientific proof behind this?

 

[Jaguar]

The part that I question is, why does the Ti user need qualifiers such as "In my opinion" in order to know what the person means when they say something?

Thread started by an INTP:

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/the-bonfire/26996-opinion.html#post1018296

 

[Forever]

I use "In my opinion" oddly enough not to offend people. >_> I only expect an "imo" if the statement is very heavy.

 

[hjgbujhghg]

I use "In my opinion" oddly enough not to offend people. >_> I only expect an "imo" if the statement is very heavy.

I do the same or to avoid being called stupid if I am wrong.

 

[Duffy]

It's a lazy strategy. I do it sometimes because I don't want to debate or simply because, you know, it's just my opinion.

-not a Ti-dom.

 

[Ghost of the dead horse]

Genuinely curious on how to improve a conversational approach with Ti users.

At first, sorry for probably not being a good helper. But I'll give my attempt.

Ti is concerned about definitions, maybe somewhat about definitions of processes, too. I'm allergic to attempts at making something over logical when they're not, but I'm very fond of something logical, too. But then there's Ti processes which are not logical in the least. There's collections of information. There's information of what something means. There's suggestions of what something might be and whether or not we want that, and it's in the Ti realm. So, many things go under the Ti banner, but with a certain focus.

More probably than not, a Ti user might be able to quote the frame of reference under which a certain statement is valid. Are sweaters comfortable? Under the study of 1001 men and women, many of them answered positively to the statement, sweaters are comfortable. This was further proved by examinations of what the respondents thought as a "sweater" and what they thought as "comfortable".

So, this is Ti, in my opinion. Speak to them of the facts and interpretations like this and they will understand.

 

[Mal12345]

I am also a Te user PG (nice to see you btw, feels like it's been a while :hi

NFP’s can strongly display inferior or shadow functions (people fear shadow functions thinking they only rear their heads in negative circumstances, but they can be utilized to great effect). ie. I know that I score strongly with Ti even though I am Te dominant = why I felt ok to interlope this thread.

Getting consciously acquainted with & developing my inferior functions is a current obsession! [MENTION=13377]pinkgraffiti[/MENTION]

This is a concise explanation of how this cognitive study works:

Cognitive Processes and Type Dynamics

So, for you PG, The deceiving role, 7th function (Ti):
"The process that fills this role is often not trusted or seen as worthy of attention, for when we do engage it, we may make mistakes in perception or in decision making. Then we feel double bound—trapped between two bad options" and also
"This function will keenly observe and remember important information which may produce opinions or behavior that is agressive or arrogant. This function does not create, but adheres to observed behavior."


Thus, I understand your statement above. At the same time also taking all of this into account: which makes it somewhat type related [⁄QUOTE]

Hi! Yeah, it has been a while... I haven't seen a lot of interesting threads on here lately and....life!

Thanks for the link. Im going to read about it. But I am a little bit suspicious: I think Jung only acknowledged about the first 3 functions.... the 4th ok makes sense to me....but 5, 6, 7, 8? Is there any scientific proof behind this?

I don't understand. Where does the [MENTION=27162]Cloudpatrol[/MENTION] quote begin and end?

 

[sonictard]

I don't have a clue what OP are trying to say. Couse, the sentences are illogical.

 

[pinkgraffiti]

I don't understand. Where does the [MENTION=27162]Cloudpatrol[/MENTION] quote begin and end?

I could say that if you don't understand something as simple as that, then I fear for your IQ level. But then I decided to shut up 😉

 

[soremfinger]

Te - Ti difference is basically standardized (Te) vs customized (Ti).

Te	Ti
Te tries to fit in to the environment.	Ti tries to fit the environment unto him.
Te user will trained himself to meet the needs of his environment.	Ti user will tweak the environment to meet his needs.
Te will fine tune himself to meet the precision of his environment.	Ti will fine tune his environment to meet his own precision.
Te user knows the environment well and so he will chart his course by planning ahead.	Ti user on the other hand knows himself well and won't emphasize planning because he knows he can adapt and "make things adapt to him" as they come.
Te will make rules and guidelines in order for us to follow so we can chart the course with relative ease. They establish the rules.	Ti will bend and break those rules and guidelines in order for him to chart the course with relative ease. They break the rules.
Te will go by the book. He won't add or subtract the proven and established rules and guidelines but follow it diligently.	Ti will study the book and then add and subtract to establish his own rules and guidelines for him to follow it alone diligently.

Both values accuracy but they emphasize differently, Te externally, whereas Ti internally.
Conflict point is evident here when a Te user will assert why the environment should conform to a Ti user and Ti user will similarly assert why he should conform to the environment. It's practically 'inside the box'(Te) vs 'outside the box'(Ti) difference in approach. Te emphasize the highest common denominator whereas Ti, to each his own.

A Ti user and a Te user will differ in their approach but a Ti user and another Ti user will also differ in their approach. Each Ti user is different in their approach since the emphasis is on the self.

 

[Mal12345]

I could say that if you don't understand something as simple as that, then I fear for your IQ level. But then I decided to shut up 😉

Since when do you care about IQ? Aren't you one of these "IQ is bullshit, EQ is the shit" people?

 

[Mal12345]

I don't have a clue what OP are trying to say. Couse, the sentences are illogical.

Nobody says "sweaters are comfortable" anyway.

How many real life examples do we get on this forum? Very very few.

 

[pinkgraffiti]

I could say that if you don't understand something as simple as that, then I fear for your IQ level. But then I decided to shut up ������

Since when do you care about IQ? Aren't you one of these "IQ is bullshit, EQ is the shit" people?

No...that's something an Fe dominant would do. Im Ne first followed by Fi, then Te. There is more Fe bullshit in you than in me 😉

 

[sonictard]

Ti have a logical structure in their mind, everything that does not fit in the inherent logical structure, they dismiss it as pointless. Therefore have trouble fitting into the real world. Emotions are underdeveloped. To understand people, human relations, they must develop emotions. Emotional maturity. Without emotional intelligence, Ti are just great intellectuals, conceptualists, couse interpersonal and emotional intelligence are far more important for day to day functioning.

Inside the Ti brain:

 

[ZNP-TBA]

Ti have a logical structure in their mind, everything that does not fit in the inherent logical structure, they dismiss it as pointless. Therefore have trouble fitting into the real world. Emotions are underdeveloped. To understand people, human relations, they must develop emotions. Emotional maturity. Without emotional intelligence, Ti are just great intellectuals, conceptualists, couse interpersonal and emotional intelligence are far more important for day to day functioning.

Inside the Ti brain:

I think you're describing a stereotypical Ti dom here rather than Ti users in general.

 

[Mal12345]

No...that's something an Fe dominant would do. Im Ne first followed by Fi, then Te. There is more Fe bullshit in you than in me 😉

 

[Snickie]

What is with all the broken tags?!