Stanton Moore
morose bourgeoisie
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Why? Do you have any inner angst ya wanna talk about?
It was a serious question....
Why? Do you have any inner angst ya wanna talk about?
It was a serious question....
I think male NFs. The "strong woman" is becoming more accepted these days so T gals are getting a break but I think NF men will always have it a bit tougher
Some emo-dump; plenty don't. All I said is they do it more than NT females, which is true.
It's not like you're an ESFJ.
How do you know what I am?
How do you know what I am?
Females will always have it easy.
I'm tempted to say female NTs, because I've found that it's much easier for a sensitive guy to find a strong woman than vice versa. But I'm biased, because I'm having the same problem.
So I guess I'll have to say male NFs, because even if it's harder for female NTs to find partners, it's easier for them to function in society without putting on a facade.
So I agree with Jennifer and Oeufa.
Seriously, though...
Females will have a socially imposed "sink or swim" situation at a far younger age, whereas males have more leeway in the identity stereotype to be loners or social butterflies. Since teens of all types are hormonal, the NF male has more time to calibrate to their selves.
If NT females can figure out how to be NTs while getting along well enough with most others, they have the head-start advantage of being F/T bilingual and pwning later on. However, if their 13yo selves aren't yet able to map out the social climate they get ostracized more easily.
The stakes are higher and come earlier for NT girls than NF guys--and these earlier formative years are consequential for later in life. Therefore, I think it's more difficult to be an NT female than an NF male.
females may feel more disjointed at the idea of being socially ostracized than males. but like jennifer said, nt types don't have to worry about creating a space for themselves to get paid. and the financial pressure of the future and the world of work and blah blah what are you gonna do weighs heavily on us.
nf males often times wander/flail around and don't figure out what they need to do for a long time. but at 26, after being pretty awful with people for the first 23 years of my life, i'm confident that ill always be valuable as a skilled people problem-solver.
as far as gender expectations, both are hit equally hard. after that it's just causal power vs relationship power. there's stress associated with--and perceived lack--in both cases.
females may feel more disjointed at the idea of being socially ostracized than males. but like jennifer said, nt types don't have to worry about creating a space for themselves to get paid. and the financial pressure of the future and the world of work and blah blah what are you gonna do weighs heavily on us.
nf males often times wander/flail around and don't figure out what they need to do for a long time. but at 26, after being pretty awful with people for the first 23 years of my life, i'm confident that ill always be valuable as a skilled people problem-solver.
as far as gender expectations, both are hit equally hard. after that it's just causal power vs relationship power. there's stress associated with--and perceived lack--in both cases.
I'm not just talking about being socially ostracized--I'm talking about development of the self. If the young NT female sinks early on because she is too disoriented by the social environment (because she isn't following the herd, but she also hasn't yet finished cutting through the bush to clear her own path to get there) she's sunk.
She's been ostracized from the primary resources that broaden and build one's (intellectual/social/etc.) self, period. To be cut off in one's formative years from the main veins through which one acquires these resources is consequential. It's a critical period, in the developmental psychology sense of the term. These years are formative for self-esteem, intellectual development, forming contacts and peer groups that engender personal development . . .
Males simply don't have this sink or swim situation, or at least theirs comes many years later. And if males have it I don't think it is nearly as holistic a hurdle, it is more categorical, like you say, for work.
It's still easier forNFmales to make it than it is forNTfemales. Ask Hillary and Obama.
I personally believe NT females have it harder then NF males but I am not sure what you mean by sink or swim.