[MBTI General] I'm convinced that becoming an Fi dom is the result of stunned mental growth

[Voygazer]

I cannot possible see Fi doms as anything other than being completely inferior to any other non-Fi dom type out there.

What you could possibliy do with Fi? Lamenthing over your "Values"? Wow, so cool, I couldn't possibly want to jump off a bridge because of how boring and useless this trait is. I'm convinced that being an Fi dom is the product of your suffering during your youth (being bullied, abused, growing in unhealthy conditions), which did not give you enough room for healthy mental growth to grow into actual good types, such as INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, etc... Types that actualy have traits which are good for day to day life in the modern world.

"But charus, Fi has perks, they changed the world and society as we-" Shut up!

The world does not revolve around the Fi's values, thats a fact. Tell me, who will give a shit about your values when you are at a job interviev? "Oh I value X and Y" Who gives a shit? You are marrying a woman, the woman wont give a shit about your "Values", since releationships are all about compromising your values, the sole purpose a woman wants to marry you was to build a family, y'know? Again, Fi is useless, I cannot see any perks with this stupid function other than "Haha, look, I am so special and unique and standoff'ish and I'm gonna be annoying about it".

I'm desparatedly hoping that me being typed ISFP 4w3 was a huge mistake, there is no way I would share the same type with that highschool Emo goth "Misunderstood" girl or those Tumblr Scene phase clowns who follows that Special snowflake mentality, fucking ugh, disgusting and repulsive.

 

[chickpea]

why give a fuck what someone interviewing you for a job thinks of you? and you think a woman who is spending the rest of her life with you isn't going to care about your personality or values at all? come on man, get a grip.

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

Empathetic, dynamic, passionate, intuitive, sweet, intelligent, funny etc - all words I’d use to describe Fi doms I know.

Shared values are one of the foundations of my marriage. Of most lasting relationships tbh.

You post this type of stuff on perc at least once a month. It’s becoming a determent to you.

You need to step away from the four letters and find what you like about yourself.

 

[Luminous]

Also, what chickpea and Hellena said.

Also cognitive functions don't exist in a vacuum.

 

[SD45T-2]

 

[Hellena Handbasket]

And having a family is not the sole reason women get married. It can be one of them. But its not the only one. I got married because I couldn’t see my life without him and I wanted us to build that life together. Having a family was part of that but it wasn’t the only part. We will still be together long after our kids leave.

 

[Galena]

The way you treat your hypothetical wife and care for your family emerges from your values. When you realize that, all you'll want to do is grow into it.

 

[Maou]

Fi is my weakest function, and even I can see the value in it.

 

[FemMecha]

Wow. Sometimes people really don't get what Fi is at all. The ability to think in a reasoned way about subjective systems has importance in the world. It is also one path for strong intra-personal awareness. I'm thankful that I have a lot of clarity about my internal subjective systems. My emotions and behaviors rarely surprise me at all because I have an internally reasoned sense of all the cause and effects, and how those relate to my values. Fi-dom aspect also plausibly is part of why I'm not that influenced by peer pressure. I quietly live according to my own code, so there is a sort of deep stability about it. The primary downside is that it isn't as strong as Fe or Te in integrating into the outside world, manifesting goals and that sort of thing. It's harder to make shit happen, but Fi enables a person to understand a lot about humanity, art, and other subjective systems.

 

[Vendrah]

I would create controversy if I would actual answer this, so I can say that the other user's answers were good enough to make me not create a strong case for Fi that affects badly other sides. Anyway, this is a terrain where the number of proofs you can make to your claims is quite limited, including OP's cases and mine, the minute a people say "prove it" (I could say that to the OP), the discussion can get over pretty quickly.

 

[Vendrah]

I would create controversy if I would actual answer this, so I can say that the other user's answers were good enough to make me not create a strong case for Fi that affects badly other sides. Anyway, this is a terrain where the number of proofs you can make to your claims is quite limited, including OP's cases and mine, the minute a people say "prove it" (I could say that to the OP), the discussion can get over pretty quickly.

 

[Earl Grey]

Everyone else made good posts, but no one has addressed the irony in yours, so I will.

First off, you do not seem to see the merit of 'values'. It is a part of someone's personhood- anyone, any type. ESTJ- ENTJ- ESTP- everyone. It's what makes people choose to do, or not do something- it is that simple. Any type may be say, intelligent, diligent, ambitious, caring- but what their values are, are what determines how they use those traits. To not have that- whatever type you are- is to be an empty shell of a human. The ENTJ CEO there who is also funding a homeless shelter built that empire on their values. The ESTP who is trying to build the best modified car the world has ever seen without cheating is working strictly with their values.

The irony here is that you don't seem to realise that your post in itself is a manifestation of values- your values. They are being expressed negatively- exasperated, narrow-minded, judgemental ones, but values nonetheless. It shows that you do not find appeal in lamenting and wallowing, "Oh no, I don't like this about myself," instead of taking action, yet that is exactly what you are doing here.

One more thing. Values alone aren't enough for people to achieve what they want. It takes hard work- grit, willpower, diligence. Not to mention, values come in various degrees of certainty, maturity, with many ways it could present- what you mentioned is one, but is hardly unique to Fi. If all you can see of yourself are what your values are or aren't and can't see the rest- you might want to look into why you are focusing on and hating the function so much. The type doesn't make the person, the person is what makes something out of what they are handed, and this- your OP- has been your choice. You might want to take a look on how that reflects on you, and what that says about you.

Your post reeks of anxiety, insecurity, and denial. What were you wanting to do? For people to agree with you and throw a huge swath of people under the bus to validate that you might not be the horrible type of person you were told you might be?

That is none of their business. That is yours.

It's okay to find yourself lacking, or even to fear having unpleasant traits within yourself. But do not throw other people on the bus because you are too short-sighted to understand them (or your own shortcomings) properly. I hope that I am wrong, and that your post is but a socially awkward, but honest attempt in trying to redeem and gain more understanding for yourself, or the type you are asking about.

 

[Voygazer]

Everyone else made good posts, but no one has addressed the irony in yours, so I will.

First off, you do not seem to see the merit of 'values'. It is a part of someone's personhood- anyone, any type. ESTJ- ENTJ- ESTP- everyone. It's what makes people choose to do, or not do something- it is that simple. Any type may be say, intelligent, diligent, ambitious, caring- but what their values are, are what determines how they use those traits. To not have that- whatever type you are- is to be an empty shell of a human. The ENTJ CEO there who is also funding a homeless shelter built that empire on their values. The ESTP who is trying to build the best modified car the world has ever seen without cheating is working strictly with their values.

The irony here is that you don't seem to realise that your post in itself is a manifestation of values- your values. They are being expressed negatively- exasperated, narrow-minded, judgemental ones, but values nonetheless. It shows that you do not find appeal in lamenting and wallowing, "Oh no, I don't like this about myself," instead of taking action, yet that is exactly what you are doing here.

One more thing. Values alone aren't enough for people to achieve what they want. It takes hard work- grit, willpower, diligence. Not to mention, values come in various degrees of certainty, maturity, with many ways it could present- what you mentioned is one, but is hardly unique to Fi. If all you can see of yourself are what your values are or aren't and can't see the rest- you might want to look into why you are focusing on and hating the function so much. The type doesn't make the person, the person is what makes something out of what they are handed, and this- your OP- has been your choice. You might want to take a look on how that reflects on you, and what that says about you.

Your post reeks of anxiety, insecurity, and denial. What were you wanting to do? For people to agree with you and throw a huge swath of people under the bus to validate that you might not be the horrible type of person you were told you might be?

That is none of their business. That is yours.

It's okay to find yourself lacking, or even to fear having unpleasant traits within yourself. But do not throw other people on the bus because you are too short-sighted to understand them (or your own shortcomings) properly. I hope that I am wrong, and that your post is but a socially awkward, but honest attempt in trying to redeem and gain more understanding for yourself, or the type you are asking about.

Oh really? because everytime I put on my values and explain/express them, I get the "You have values, You are Fi dom!!!!!!" comments.

 

[Totenkindly]

Oh really? because everytime I put on my values and explain/express them, I get the "You have values, You are Fi dom!!!!!!" comments.

Has that been happening here? People are trying to give you reasonable input, not the bullshit stuff you might have experienced elsewhere -- so who cares about those people?

At some point, you gotta decide whether you want to learn how to deal with and integrate the various pieces of yourself, and even find worth in them -- or whether you just want to rage on.

 

[Coriolis]

The world does not revolve around the Fi's values, thats a fact. Tell me, who will give a shit about your values when you are at a job interviev? "Oh I value X and Y" Who gives a shit? You are marrying a woman, the woman wont give a shit about your "Values", since releationships are all about compromising your values, the sole purpose a woman wants to marry you was to build a family, y'know? Again, Fi is useless, I cannot see any perks with this stupid function other than "Haha, look, I am so special and unique and standoff'ish and I'm gonna be annoying about it".

I'm desparatedly hoping that me being typed ISFP 4w3 was a huge mistake, there is no way I would share the same type with that highschool Emo goth "Misunderstood" girl or those Tumblr Scene phase clowns who follows that Special snowflake mentality, fucking ugh, disgusting and repulsive.

When you sort the world into only 16 boxes, there is bound to be considerable variation within each one. All INFPs are not stuck in "special snowflake" mode, any more than all INTJs are emotionless assholes, or all of any type fits some narrow and usually negative stereotype. Also, as others have observed, the functions don't operate in a vacuum. If Fi seems useless to you, then you are losing sight of how it interacts with the other functions to influence someone's thinking processes and eventually their behavior. Fi needs Te and the other functions to help see how best to act on one's values, as well as to balance what may appear to be competing values.

As for your examples, a hiring supervisor will care very much about your work ethic, your honesty, your team spirit/collegiality, even your passion for the field or the industry. All these are values that help make someone a good employee. A potential spouse will care about your values precisely because he or she won't want to compromise on values that are truly important. You might agree to compromise on where you live, or who does which household chores, for instance, but not compromise on the idea that chores should be divided relatively evenly, and both partners have an equal say in where you live. Too much compromise makes a bad match, and you would do better to part company and seek more compatible partners.

Oh really? because everytime I put on my values and explain/express them, I get the "You have values, You are Fi dom!!!!!!" comments.

You are interacting with an oddly simplistic subset of humanity, then. Everyone has values. Someone without values cannot make decisions, because they will have no guidelines to steer them one way or the other, no sense that certain things are more important to them than others. The most logical, rational decision is still rooted in values, something that becomes apparent if you follow the reasoning back to the underlying motivations. The practice of basing decisions on hard, objective facts and efficiency is itself rooted in values, the notion that this is the best approach. The highlighted can thus be dismissed out of hand. The conclusion doesn't follow from the observation, and it says nothing of utility or worth to you.

It would be more interesting and helpful to examine what else happens when you share your values with others. If nothing else, how and when you do this will say more about what type you are. The exact nature of your values might shed some light on that, too. If it seems that your values are being dismissed, demeaned, or misunderstood when you share them, that is another matter not tied to type.

 

[EcK]

I cannot possible see Fi doms as anything other than being completely inferior to any other non-Fi dom type out there.

What you could possibliy do with Fi? Lamenthing over your "Values"? Wow, so cool, I couldn't possibly want to jump off a bridge because of how boring and useless this trait is. I'm convinced that being an Fi dom is the product of your suffering during your youth (being bullied, abused, growing in unhealthy conditions), which did not give you enough room for healthy mental growth to grow into actual good types, such as INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, etc... Types that actualy have traits which are good for day to day life in the modern world.

"But charus, Fi has perks, they changed the world and society as we-" Shut up!

The world does not revolve around the Fi's values, thats a fact. Tell me, who will give a shit about your values when you are at a job interviev? "Oh I value X and Y" Who gives a shit? You are marrying a woman, the woman wont give a shit about your "Values", since releationships are all about compromising your values, the sole purpose a woman wants to marry you was to build a family, y'know? Again, Fi is useless, I cannot see any perks with this stupid function other than "Haha, look, I am so special and unique and standoff'ish and I'm gonna be annoying about it".

I'm desparatedly hoping that me being typed ISFP 4w3 was a huge mistake, there is no way I would share the same type with that highschool Emo goth "Misunderstood" girl or those Tumblr Scene phase clowns who follows that Special snowflake mentality, fucking ugh, disgusting and repulsive.

lol

 

[Earl Grey]

Oh really? because everytime I put on my values and explain/express them, I get the "You have values, You are Fi dom!!!!!!" comments.

What Totenkindly said, and if you indeed have been getting this exact response, it is a simplistic reduction that says more about the one making the claim than you. People making simplistic, stereotypical conclusions are probably the same ones saying that Ts don't have emotions, 8s have to be angry, 9s have to be doormats, and other similarly simplistic reductions. Were I to do the same thing, it would be to call you an E-FJ because you seem so bothered by other people's words- see how that is a ridiculous way to type.

Besides, you seem to be taking it as some sort of insult, somehow. Are you going to react similarly if someone called it 'logical' instead? I am not sure if your reaction is because people have bashed you for having your own values (which for some people is a thing of pride, really), or because you have such a negative association with anyone with strong values.

I suggest that you introspect and understand why these things bother you so much, and broaden your understanding of what exactly the Fi function, and the IXFP types are. As it is, you are making broad-brush assumptions based off wrong, and severely limited information. This does not mean that you cannot dislike or not want to be someone who wallows emotionally, but it will help you find and pick out the best of yourself, whatever type you may be.

 

[Indigo Rodent]

I cannot possible see Fi doms as anything other than being completely inferior to any other non-Fi dom type out there.

What you could possibliy do with Fi? Lamenthing over your "Values"? Wow, so cool, I couldn't possibly want to jump off a bridge because of how boring and useless this trait is. I'm convinced that being an Fi dom is the product of your suffering during your youth (being bullied, abused, growing in unhealthy conditions), which did not give you enough room for healthy mental growth to grow into actual good types, such as INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ, ESTP, etc... Types that actualy have traits which are good for day to day life in the modern world.

"But charus, Fi has perks, they changed the world and society as we-" Shut up!

The world does not revolve around the Fi's values, thats a fact. Tell me, who will give a shit about your values when you are at a job interviev? "Oh I value X and Y" Who gives a shit? You are marrying a woman, the woman wont give a shit about your "Values", since releationships are all about compromising your values, the sole purpose a woman wants to marry you was to build a family, y'know? Again, Fi is useless, I cannot see any perks with this stupid function other than "Haha, look, I am so special and unique and standoff'ish and I'm gonna be annoying about it".

I'm desparatedly hoping that me being typed ISFP 4w3 was a huge mistake, there is no way I would share the same type with that highschool Emo goth "Misunderstood" girl or those Tumblr Scene phase clowns who follows that Special snowflake mentality, fucking ugh, disgusting and repulsive.

I think that "values" are heavily overrated when it comes to Fi and are something that TPs hang up on to get mistyped as FPs - and have something more to do with Fe and Ti.
Like the main thing is that feeling is a type of thinking (as in judgement), except that it focuses on personal instead of impersonal.

Like, thinkers often arrive at completely irrational/inaccurate conclusions regarding people and social stuff. Doing accurate interpersonal judgement is useful in many fields.

Effects of bullying are a separate thing - and which you're wrong about, by the way. The main problem is that it affects social functioning which decreases chances of using one's Fi professionally.

4s are typically Thinkers, not Feelers.

 

[prplchknz]

Hi I'm an Fi dom and obvisouly a troglodyte i will go drown myself in pond muck now, because i serve no purpose in society

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

THIS IS ABSOLUDELY FASCINATING