I or E, I don't know...

[VILLANELLE]

I did a 123 Jungian test and I got INFJ, but a CelebrityTypes test gave me ENTP, and their cognitive functions test gave me ENFJ/ESFJ. I often get that results on their cognitive test and I trust that result the most. I just feel really, really lost right now, even though I had settled on ENFJ (after time as an ENFP) and I'm looking too much into this and it's just.. I don't know. This whole MBTI thing, I don't even know anymore, it's like it's a distraction for me, but to what? I don't know.

I'm tired of overthinking, as if anxiety doesn't make me do that enough already. I don't even know what to say to help you help me type myself, because I feel like there's nothing else to say. Maybe I really am introverted, but I've been told that I only think I'm introverted and that I really am extroverted, but I just have a lot of nervous energy. Which I agree with. I'm really picky about going out and I do like to spend time alone, but there are times where I feel like going cabin fever-crazy. And I find that I like being around people. I'm admittedly a huge eavesdropper at home, I love to be in the middle of things and know what the gossip is, reluctantly, but then It's like, no, I really really wanna know.

I just have a lot of confidence issues and I think that fucks me up too. And just yesterday I did a test on mypersonality.info and it gave me ENFJ. And looking at the like, functions and shit, it's like it makes some sense to me and maybe they all flip on me and I use different functions at different times? I know someone isn't just their lettering type, I know extroverts can be introverted and vice versa, and it's not very much a literal introversion vs extroversion... I'm probably taking this all too literally and seriously and I wish I didn't. I'm too aware. And annoyed, and stressing over something dumb. I don't need to take a test to tell me who I am, yet I'm always looking for answers. I've gotten confirmation numerous times on other places online that I'm an ENFJ, or maybe I'm an ENTP.

AND THEN THERE'S SOCIONICS, which really messed me up too because I got ESFP (See-Fi) and someone said that I have to pick Socionics or mbti, that I can't have a shadow type or something, I took it because I thought, hey, I figure out my mbti, let's see what socionics says. I hate the results because it literally boxes everything in. I like being around people, when I was a kid I'd always do stuff for attention, much to everyone's chagrin, because some things were inappropriate. I've done inappropriate things without thinking, or to see what would happen (pure curioisty, you know, curiosity kills the cat kind of thing), and then yes, regretted it later, like a foot in mouth. I've said dumb stuff, because sometimes I don't think, I just do. I've wanted to stir the pot, to see what would happen. I've destroyed toys and reretted it, I've railed against the things I liked because no matter what I did, nobody liked me and I decided I couldn't be myself so I'd make people scared of me, or, whatever. I didn't mean to make people think I was weird, hell, I couldn't win. And I've even laughed with people when they've laughed at me. I'm a person who badly, pathetically wants to be liked, and I act like I don't care, but I do, deep down. My nerves radiate off of me. I panic if I can't get my seatbelt on properly and I worry that I'll end up dead, and then it gets on. I feel free when I'm out and about and doing stuff with people.

I don't even know what else to say. It's been a few hours and I'm still trying to get through this episode of Vanderpump Rules thanks to my crappy internet connection/buffering/whatever.

 

[nemiki]

:hi:

You seem not sure about your type. You should forget the tests. They are mostly incorrect especially when you get different results.
You should JUST look at the functions. And for extraversion vs introversion: do you get energy from being alone or from socialising? Introverts can also enjoy being under people or parties but afterwards they need to be alone to charge their batteries

Introverted functions need more time/energy to inwardly process/plan:

to compare and sort through personally relevant details (Si)
to build awareness of personally meaningful intuitions (Ni)
to analyze data and construct personalized formulaic knowledge (Ti)
to analyze the depth of personal experiences and reactions (Fi)


Extraverted functions feel the urge to act immediately on the world:

to actively pursue and engage in new/stimulating experiences (Se)
to actively pursue progress or actualize a new idea/possibility (Ne)
to actively solve a problem, make a correction, or achieve a goal (Te)
to actively smooth conflict or strengthen bonds among people (Fe)

One of the easiest ways to determine whether you are introverted or extraverted is to examine the negative/darker aspects of the inferior function. What is your behavior when you are feeling extremely stressed? Being in the grip of the inferior function is about completely losing control over yourself and behaving in ways that are very out of character because you are overwhelmed by too many negative emotions or problems.

• When extraverts lose control over themselves and life, they will withdraw (introvert) because they no longer know what actions to take and feel overwhelmed by inner confusion.
• When introverts lose control over themselves and life, they will act out (extravert) because they no longer have the mental energy to process information or contain their turmoil within. If you can successfully identify your inferior function, E/I confusion will be resolved.

 

[VILLANELLE]

:hi:

You seem not sure about your type. You should forget the tests. They are mostly incorrect especially when you get different results.
You should JUST look at the functions. And for extraversion vs introversion: do you get energy from being alone or from socialising? Introverts can also enjoy being under people or parties but afterwards they need to be alone to charge their batteries

Introverted functions need more time/energy to inwardly process/plan:

to compare and sort through personally relevant details (Si)
to build awareness of personally meaningful intuitions (Ni)
to analyze data and construct personalized formulaic knowledge (Ti)
to analyze the depth of personal experiences and reactions (Fi)


Extraverted functions feel the urge to act immediately on the world:

to actively pursue and engage in new/stimulating experiences (Se)
to actively pursue progress or actualize a new idea/possibility (Ne)
to actively solve a problem, make a correction, or achieve a goal (Te)
to actively smooth conflict or strengthen bonds among people (Fe)

One of the easiest ways to determine whether you are introverted or extraverted is to examine the negative/darker aspects of the inferior function. What is your behavior when you are feeling extremely stressed? Being in the grip of the inferior function is about completely losing control over yourself and behaving in ways that are very out of character because you are overwhelmed by too many negative emotions or problems.

• When extraverts lose control over themselves and life, they will withdraw (introvert) because they no longer know what actions to take and feel overwhelmed by inner confusion.
• When introverts lose control over themselves and life, they will act out (extravert) because they no longer have the mental energy to process information or contain their turmoil within. If you can successfully identify your inferior function, E/I confusion will be resolved.

In my darker moments I tend to withdraw from everyone and I act out against myself, if it's bad enough. I'm normally kind of withdrawn and quiet, I guess. But when I'm really upset and stuff, I do shut down and I just, don't know how to function.

 

[nemiki]

In my darker moments I tend to withdraw from everyone and I act out against myself, if it's bad enough. I'm normally kind of withdrawn and quiet, I guess. But when I'm really upset and stuff, I do shut down and I just, don't know how to function.

And how do you relate to the other traits I described?

 

[Mayflower]

I did a 123 Jungian test and I got INFJ, but a CelebrityTypes test gave me ENTP, and their cognitive functions test gave me ENFJ/ESFJ. I often get that results on their cognitive test and I trust that result the most. I just feel really, really lost right now, even though I had settled on ENFJ (after time as an ENFP) and I'm looking too much into this and it's just.. I don't know. This whole MBTI thing, I don't even know anymore, it's like it's a distraction for me, but to what? I don't know.

I'm tired of overthinking, as if anxiety doesn't make me do that enough already. I don't even know what to say to help you help me type myself, because I feel like there's nothing else to say. Maybe I really am introverted, but I've been told that I only think I'm introverted and that I really am extroverted, but I just have a lot of nervous energy. Which I agree with. I'm really picky about going out and I do like to spend time alone, but there are times where I feel like going cabin fever-crazy. And I find that I like being around people. I'm admittedly a huge eavesdropper at home, I love to be in the middle of things and know what the gossip is, reluctantly, but then It's like, no, I really really wanna know.

I just have a lot of confidence issues and I think that fucks me up too. And just yesterday I did a test on mypersonality.info and it gave me ENFJ. And looking at the like, functions and shit, it's like it makes some sense to me and maybe they all flip on me and I use different functions at different times? I know someone isn't just their lettering type, I know extroverts can be introverted and vice versa, and it's not very much a literal introversion vs extroversion... I'm probably taking this all too literally and seriously and I wish I didn't. I'm too aware. And annoyed, and stressing over something dumb. I don't need to take a test to tell me who I am, yet I'm always looking for answers. I've gotten confirmation numerous times on other places online that I'm an ENFJ, or maybe I'm an ENTP.

AND THEN THERE'S SOCIONICS, which really messed me up too because I got ESFP (See-Fi) and someone said that I have to pick Socionics or mbti, that I can't have a shadow type or something, I took it because I thought, hey, I figure out my mbti, let's see what socionics says. I hate the results because it literally boxes everything in. I like being around people, when I was a kid I'd always do stuff for attention, much to everyone's chagrin, because some things were inappropriate. I've done inappropriate things without thinking, or to see what would happen (pure curioisty, you know, curiosity kills the cat kind of thing), and then yes, regretted it later, like a foot in mouth. I've said dumb stuff, because sometimes I don't think, I just do. I've wanted to stir the pot, to see what would happen. I've destroyed toys and reretted it, I've railed against the things I liked because no matter what I did, nobody liked me and I decided I couldn't be myself so I'd make people scared of me, or, whatever. I didn't mean to make people think I was weird, hell, I couldn't win. And I've even laughed with people when they've laughed at me. I'm a person who badly, pathetically wants to be liked, and I act like I don't care, but I do, deep down. My nerves radiate off of me. I panic if I can't get my seatbelt on properly and I worry that I'll end up dead, and then it gets on. I feel free when I'm out and about and doing stuff with people.

I don't even know what else to say. It's been a few hours and I'm still trying to get through this episode of Vanderpump Rules thanks to my crappy internet connection/buffering/whatever.

I wouldn't stress that much from celebritytypes as it is quite inaccurate. 123 is alright, but has some flaws. As said before me, test can fail. Only you know your true type. Don't feel bad, knowing your real type is not supposed to be easy as it involves a deep self-analysis. I can give you links to good coverage of the functions if you want (And I will provide "short" sources this time).

 

[VILLANELLE]

And how do you relate to the other traits I described?

I don't know what to think about them. I'm not exactly an active, go-getting person, I'm more passive... I do analyze, I do plan, but I'm also really adaptable and if I'm annoyed and get like "Oh, fuck it," then I throw caution to the wind. I'm open, I'm open to new experiences. Anxiety and fear hold me back. I don't like conflict and I like to smooth things over asap, really, honestly, I don't like conflict and I don't bother to engage/start it up.

 

[VILLANELLE]

I wouldn't stress that much from celebritytypes as it is quite inaccurate. 123 is alright, but has some flaws. As said before me, test can fail. Only you know your true type. Don't feel bad, knowing your real type is not supposed to be easy as it involves a deep self-analysis. I can give you links to good coverage of the functions if you want (And I will provide "short" sources this time).

I'm willing to look at them I just sometimes get overwhelmed and I'm like, OKAY CAN I SEE THE END PLEASE. I find my attention span is just, shit these days. I don't not like to read, but, I don't really like to read all the time, haha.

How is CelebrityTypes inaccurate, if I may ask? Although I'm sure their typings, they probably have to switch a lot of celebrities over, I think. I don't know.

 

[robert666]

Maybe I really am introverted, but I've been told that I only think I'm introverted and that I really am extroverted, but I just have a lot of nervous energy.

Find out your dominant function and you'll have your preference for E vs I.

 

[VILLANELLE]

Find out your dominant function and you'll have your preference for E vs I.

[MENTION=29903]Mayflower[/MENTION] told me the same thing too.

 

[Pionart]

Why do you want to know your MBTI type so much? I guess you have a tendency to stress about things? :/

I don't think you have to "pick one" from MBTI and socionics, they're overlapping but distinct models, and I think the whole type thing is an approximation rather than these discrete processes we use.

I think, e.g. ENFJ and ENFP can be very similar even though supposedly they have opposite functions, because the functions are just one way of looking at it. Plus, we use more than just the one type's approach in life.

Personally, I could easily buy you being INFJ - there was something very INFJish about the way you wrote the OP, plus you said you have a tendency to withdraw. INFJ and ENFJ are similar, of course.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I'm not great at typing other people, but I will say that I relate to a lot of what you said and I am confident that I am an INFJ.

When I'm under stress or depressed but not necessarily aware that I am depressed, I tend to reach out and latch onto situations I wouldn't normally be interested in. Like socializing more or drinking a lot of alcohol. I get really anxious and I'll be especially addicted to my phone and Facebook (I am anyway... but I will neurotically check it and recheck it if I'm anxious).

I too tend to be attracted to stirring the pot at times or saying things merely for shock value. Sometimes I feel bad afterward and I'm like "why do I do that when I truly care about the well-being of others?

When I'm super depressed or anxious, I can barely even bring myself to talk to or make eye contact with people. My voice gets weak and mousey and I want to crawl in a hole because it just takes too much energy to even present as "normal."

How do you process your feelings? To me, it sounds like you are having a hard time explaining what you are feeling and don't really know how to interpret it. That is how I am. I can easily look at other people and understand their feelings, but when my feelings overwhelm me, I HAVE to talk about them with other people to process them. Otherwise, I get caught up in Ni-Ti loops where I cannot stop ruminating.

Wait... I just Googled ENFJ and INFJ functions and apparently they are both Fe, so that probably doesn't help.

Okay... which are you worse at? Introverted thinking, or extraverted sensing? I'm completely oblivious to the finer details of my surroundings because Se is my weakest function (I really hope I'm understanding the function stack properly and not giving you misinformation).

I guess my advice is to think about how you are when you are healthier mentally, from a function standpoint, and also consider which is more recharging for you during these times; solitude or group activity.

 

[VILLANELLE]

Why do you want to know your MBTI type so much? I guess you have a tendency to stress about things? :/

I don't think you have to "pick one" from MBTI and socionics, they're overlapping but distinct models, and I think the whole type thing is an approximation rather than these discrete processes we use.

I think, e.g. ENFJ and ENFP can be very similar even though supposedly they have opposite functions, because the functions are just one way of looking at it. Plus, we use more than just the one type's approach in life.

Personally, I could easily buy you being INFJ - there was something very INFJish about the way you wrote the OP, plus you said you have a tendency to withdraw. INFJ and ENFJ are similar, of course.

So because I tend to withdraw I'm an INFJ, okay.

I appreciate the response, yes, I stress about this and I don't know why. Bleh, I'm tired of it.

 

[Pionart]

So because I tend to withdraw I'm an INFJ, okay.

I appreciate the response, yes, I stress about this and I don't know why. Bleh, I'm tired of it.

I'm not saying you are X because Y, but that you might be X, and Y goes with that, but the reason is more Z, and you might not be X. If that makes sense.

So it was an impression I got that I thought was INFJ-ish, but could also have been ENFJ-ish, and ENFJ could seem like INFJ as well as fitting with things such as typing as other extrovert types.

 

[VILLANELLE]

I'm not saying you are X because Y, but that you might be X, and Y goes with that, but the reason is more Z, and you might not be X. If that makes sense.

So it was an impression I got that I thought was INFJ-ish, but could also have been ENFJ-ish, and ENFJ could seem like INFJ as well as fitting with things such as typing as other extrovert types.

The types are "cousins" in MBTI, after all. It does make sense.

 

[Mal12345]

I don't understand this question on the 123 Jungian test (which is not a functions test, btw):
11. If a decision is made which affects you, such as being made redundant, is it more important to you to know that
(a) you are appreciated
(b) you have been treated fairly

????????????????????

 

[cosmictone]

I think you are an ENFJ, stressing out over your inferior function i.e. Ti shit.
sounds like you desperately want a little bit of organization to your inner life and such. You have the Ti but it's the "baby" throwing a tantrum (no offense).

and this

I feel free when I'm out and about and doing stuff with people.

Se definitely sounds higher than Ti

 

[Mal12345]

I did a 123 Jungian test and I got INFJ, but a CelebrityTypes test gave me ENTP, and their cognitive functions test gave me ENFJ/ESFJ. I often get that results on their cognitive test and I trust that result the most. I just feel really, really lost right now, even though I had settled on ENFJ (after time as an ENFP) and I'm looking too much into this and it's just.. I don't know. This whole MBTI thing, I don't even know anymore, it's like it's a distraction for me, but to what? I don't know.

I'm tired of overthinking, as if anxiety doesn't make me do that enough already. I don't even know what to say to help you help me type myself, because I feel like there's nothing else to say. Maybe I really am introverted, but I've been told that I only think I'm introverted and that I really am extroverted, but I just have a lot of nervous energy. Which I agree with. I'm really picky about going out and I do like to spend time alone, but there are times where I feel like going cabin fever-crazy. And I find that I like being around people. I'm admittedly a huge eavesdropper at home, I love to be in the middle of things and know what the gossip is, reluctantly, but then It's like, no, I really really wanna know.

I just have a lot of confidence issues and I think that fucks me up too. And just yesterday I did a test on mypersonality.info and it gave me ENFJ. And looking at the like, functions and shit, it's like it makes some sense to me and maybe they all flip on me and I use different functions at different times? I know someone isn't just their lettering type, I know extroverts can be introverted and vice versa, and it's not very much a literal introversion vs extroversion... I'm probably taking this all too literally and seriously and I wish I didn't. I'm too aware. And annoyed, and stressing over something dumb. I don't need to take a test to tell me who I am, yet I'm always looking for answers. I've gotten confirmation numerous times on other places online that I'm an ENFJ, or maybe I'm an ENTP.

AND THEN THERE'S SOCIONICS, which really messed me up too because I got ESFP (See-Fi) and someone said that I have to pick Socionics or mbti, that I can't have a shadow type or something, I took it because I thought, hey, I figure out my mbti, let's see what socionics says. I hate the results because it literally boxes everything in. I like being around people, when I was a kid I'd always do stuff for attention, much to everyone's chagrin, because some things were inappropriate. I've done inappropriate things without thinking, or to see what would happen (pure curioisty, you know, curiosity kills the cat kind of thing), and then yes, regretted it later, like a foot in mouth. I've said dumb stuff, because sometimes I don't think, I just do. I've wanted to stir the pot, to see what would happen. I've destroyed toys and reretted it, I've railed against the things I liked because no matter what I did, nobody liked me and I decided I couldn't be myself so I'd make people scared of me, or, whatever. I didn't mean to make people think I was weird, hell, I couldn't win. And I've even laughed with people when they've laughed at me. I'm a person who badly, pathetically wants to be liked, and I act like I don't care, but I do, deep down. My nerves radiate off of me. I panic if I can't get my seatbelt on properly and I worry that I'll end up dead, and then it gets on. I feel free when I'm out and about and doing stuff with people.

I don't even know what else to say. It's been a few hours and I'm still trying to get through this episode of Vanderpump Rules thanks to my crappy internet connection/buffering/whatever.

Sounds more like you're a type 6, really.

 

[VILLANELLE]

I'm not great at typing other people, but I will say that I relate to a lot of what you said and I am confident that I am an INFJ.

When I'm under stress or depressed but not necessarily aware that I am depressed, I tend to reach out and latch onto situations I wouldn't normally be interested in. Like socializing more or drinking a lot of alcohol. I get really anxious and I'll be especially addicted to my phone and Facebook (I am anyway... but I will neurotically check it and recheck it if I'm anxious).

I too tend to be attracted to stirring the pot at times or saying things merely for shock value. Sometimes I feel bad afterward and I'm like "why do I do that when I truly care about the well-being of others?

When I'm super depressed or anxious, I can barely even bring myself to talk to or make eye contact with people. My voice gets weak and mousey and I want to crawl in a hole because it just takes too much energy to even present as "normal."

How do you process your feelings? To me, it sounds like you are having a hard time explaining what you are feeling and don't really know how to interpret it. That is how I am. I can easily look at other people and understand their feelings, but when my feelings overwhelm me, I HAVE to talk about them with other people to process them. Otherwise, I get caught up in Ni-Ti loops where I cannot stop ruminating.

Wait... I just Googled ENFJ and INFJ functions and apparently they are both Fe, so that probably doesn't help.

Okay... which are you worse at? Introverted thinking, or extraverted sensing? I'm completely oblivious to the finer details of my surroundings because Se is my weakest function (I really hope I'm understanding the function stack properly and not giving you misinformation).

I guess my advice is to think about how you are when you are healthier mentally, from a function standpoint, and also consider which is more recharging for you during these times; solitude or group activity.

I relate a lot to what you've said here. Although while I can be really depressed/anxious (I'm in my own head a lot), I've just always been the type to want to be in on what's going on. I used to be totally against drinking, but then I learned to like it, of course I know everyone's different. And I don't always drink, usually it's a few glasses and I'll be fine/have had my fill. I like being around action, particularly hearing gossip, I love to eavesdrop as I mention below.. Hm. I'm probably worst at Extraverted Sensing, I guess, I don't know. Because with ENFJ and INFJ, the stacks are basically flipped so everything is opposite. These types are technically cousins. I'd say my Se is maybe Tertiary. I'm aware of what's going on around me, I tend to be in tune with my environment unless I'm involved in a task or just not paying attention? This probably means nothing, but I also eavesdrop a lot so I'm aware of just.. a lot of crap around me, I guess.

 

[VILLANELLE]

Sounds more like you're a type 6, really.

Well, my Enneagram is 794 (7w6, 9w8, 4w5). [MENTION=29179]Rouskyrie[/MENTION] helped confirm that.

 

[Mal12345]

Well, my Enneagram is 794 (7w6, 9w8, 4w5). [MENTION=29179]Rouskyrie[/MENTION] helped confirm that.

Where?