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[Fe] ESFJ e2 "The People's ENFP"

HongDou

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[MENTION=17131]Chanaynay[/MENTION]



I just got back on my computer to listen to this :D

According to a psychic I saw last year, 2016 is apparently going to be one of the hardest of my life. If she turns out to be right then I might need this song a lot lol
 

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If you read earlier in the thread, Starry also makes the claim that the "INTJ mystifiers" are ExFJ 2 as well.

Je feeds Je :shrug:

Nothing makes Je feel like they've met their soul mate (and nothing bad or unpredictable will ever happen ever infinity) more than Je they believe is Ji
 

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Many public libraries will give you free access to databases, such as EBSCO, Gale, and JSTOR, if you have a card... Although it probably is still quite limited compared to those who used to have access to academic research libraries. ;)

I totally started laughing at "NECKs" again. NECKs... even able to make the public library system seem manageable and like something you might want to give a try.

This means a lot to me Protege.
 

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I just got back on my computer to listen to this :D

According to a psychic I saw last year, 2016 is apparently going to be one of the hardest of my life. If she turns out to be right then I might need this song a lot lol

Why do you think I dedicated it to you huh? *spooky* (considering 2016 is almost over according to the Ne experience...I think this psychic is shit.)
 

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I totally started laughing at "NECKs" again. NECKs... even able to make the public library system seem manageable and like something you might want to give a try.

This means a lot to me Protege.
hahaha... does that epitomize Fe? Some people who only knew me on a surface level, typed me as ENFP or ENTP.... :devil: What do you think about that!?!? Bwahaha.:happy2:
 

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What MBTI do you think I am?

From personal experience I've noticed that typing someone over the internet can be a dubious endeavor because some people "tailor" their posts, for whatever reason. I've met some forum members in person and had an immediate certainty as to their type that I couldn't place over the internet before. Still though, even then I was never wrong about guessing over the internet about a person definitely not being a certain type. Having said that, I have no inklings over you not being ENFP, so for all I know there's a good chance you're ENFP
 

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From personal experience I've noticed that typing someone over the internet can be a dubious endeavor because some people "tailor" their posts, for whatever reason. I've met some forum members in person and had an immediate certainty as to their type that I couldn't place over the internet before. Still though, even then I was never wrong about guessing over the internet about a person definitely not being a certain type. Having said that, I have no inklings over you not being ENFP, so for all I know there's a good chance you're ENFP


I'm not sure why I thought it'd be a good idea to see if brainiac's theory would hold-up once the scientific method was applied... but I'm so glad I did and gained this thoughtful response. I sat here for a while considering what generally happens to me when I don't try and tailor at least some of the ENFP out of my posts...

I appreciate this very much...not because there's a good chance I might be ENFP!...I feel so much love when connecting with other NFPs because being seen for who I truly am is so very rare in my experience...but I don't have a need to be understood as ENFP by others. I appreciate the information regarding the typing of others and agree that it's dubious and a large part of why I started this thread...(do people even use tests anymore? I personally find the standard MBTI produces fairly accurate results...)

I will be asking you all kinds of questions now for the rest of your life. Thank you so much.
 

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Nothing makes Je feel like they've met their soul mate (and nothing bad or unpredictable will ever happen ever infinity) more than Je they believe is Ji

Not ever infinity! It's alright to cry.
 

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I'm not sure why I thought it'd be a good idea to see if brainiac's theory would hold-up once the scientific method was applied... but I'm so glad I did and gained this thoughtful response. I sat here for a while considering what generally happens to me when I don't try and tailor at least some of the ENFP out of my posts...

I appreciate this very much...not because there's a good chance I might be ENFP!...I feel so much love when connecting with other NFPs because being seen for who I truly am is so very rare in my experience...but I don't have a need to be understood as ENFP by others. I appreciate the information regarding the typing of others and agree that it's dubious and a large part of why I started this thread...(do people even use tests anymore? I personally find the standard MBTI produces fairly accurate results...)

I will be asking you all kinds of questions now for the rest of your life. Thank you so much.

This post was nauseatingly ENFP
 

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I am going to talk about the ISFJ/INFP thing rather than ESFJ/ENFP, because the former is closer to my heart. Oh, how about this - I'm an aspiring writer. Why don't I communicate my thoughts in the form of a story? :)

The girl who wears flannels and puts flowers in her hair. The girl who's always lost in a book or carrying journals upon journals of introspective musings. The girl who's never felt like she never quite fit with society. The girl with a quick mind and an ache for mystery. The girl who makes up her own fantasy lands and prides herself on being a dreamer. The girl people wonder about - what is she like? The girl who lives in her head and just wants to find her way. The girl who doesn't care much for pop culture and small talk, preferring to talk about meaning and things that light her up inside. The girl who wants to express herself in everything she does. The girl who wants to work alone, not in groups. The girl who loses everything and can't keep up with the world. The girl who would rather stay in with a good book and a cup of tea than go see her relatives. The girl who cares very much about who she is and what she wants. The girl teachers describe as profound, imaginative, and sensitive. The girl who's a freethinker. The impractical girl. The girl who writes and doesn't take things at face value. The girl who won't settle until she has meaning. The girl whose mind works like fireworks and trampolines.

This girl, in her pursuit of self-discovery, stumbles upon typology - unfortunately, Keirsey and other stereotypes. She reads about INFPs and feels something click inside her. Those descriptions are so much like her. Something has come close to pinpointing some of her wayward identity, so she attaches to it. It becomes another little branch on her tree of identity. Fascinated by type theory, and craving to know more about herself, she joins a typology forum. Finally, she feels, there is a place for her. All is well until a few people say, hey, you might be an ISFJ.

The girl feels immediately that she is being attacked. Because she is a searching soul who has finally found a piece of herself, as an INFP, she feels especially upset. That little branch is being cut off, and it hurts. Everything she has read about SFJs goes against who she is. She's read that SFJs aren't intellectual; that they don't have wild imaginations or wandering spirits; that they're hypertraditional; that they want to stay inside, wear aprons, and bake pretty little cakes for the Ladies Auxiliary. She doesn't see ISFJ as a suggestion; she sees it as an insult.

She becomes annoyed at anyone who questions her, but yet, she is afraid. She has clung to this dumb little label, and she will protect it. In an effort to convince others that she really is that label, she overcompensates, and comes off as fake and simple, which goes against her values of realness and truth. She has become attached to the INFP label and doesn't want to give it up - to do so would feel like giving up her identity. She's built the INFP type out of the building blocks of stereotypes, but more importantly, building blocks of herself. Because she is a supposed INFP, everything she does is INFP. Abandoning the INFP label would feel like abandoning herself. Being an ISFJ would mean adopting that sickeningly stereotyped image that has been painted in her mind. So, when confronted with an objection to her type, she digs her heels in and becomes defiant. No. She knows who she is, and she won't have any of your drivel. After all, she is independent and freewheeling.

So here we have it, folks. A young, potential ISFJ drunk out of her mind on stereotypes. It's pleasant there in the blurry stupor, in the INFP delusion. Tomorrow, she'll be greeted by the reality of what she truly might be. Tomorrow, she'll be hung over. So she clings to the bottle and takes another drink of stereotypes...
and another...
and another...
 

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EFP or EFJ?

EFJs make general ethical statements that apply to everyone. ENFJs statements are based on theoretical principles that are best for the future and ESFJs statements are based on what's best for right now coming from what should be preserved. Ex. my ESFJ mom often tells me what people should do or what I should do and it pisses me off because I think she's not respecting my boundaries (Fi). For another example, I know a pretty young ESFJ teacher (around 30) that's bubbly and can be fun and isn't really controlling but she constantly makes ethical observations that she projects (Fe) (and when she does that it can piss me off, just like with my mom). But EFJs can appear a lot more open minded than they really are because of how Fe can stretch its values to please others (sometimes my mom will agree with me on one specific thing only to later on go more on the other side, which is what she really thinks). That's more common with ESFJs, though, probably because of the tert. Ne; that's where our pseudo-ENFP comes from.

EFPs ethical statements don't really come out unless someone can pull it out somehow, often by someone deeply crossing them. Because EFPs respect others boundaries and protect their own. EFPs are also more likely to make objective observations (especially because of the added Te EFJs and ETPs don't have) tied only to reality or theory (Pe) UNTIL Fi is mixed in. And Pe can be backed up with Pi, too. Fi and Pi show up only when the situation calls for it, otherwise you just see Pe and Te.

EFJs ethical statements are triggered often because of the dominant and extraverted orientation. Unlike FPs, TJs will not always respect your boundaries if they give you impersonal orders (Te) or pry stuff out of you to satisfy their Fi with (opposite of how Fi-doms do it; Fi-aux does both but mostly the Fi-dom way until that Te is activated when the normal way fails) and possibly adjust their Te or Pi with, too.

There are other more common ways to compare them, but I think what I said is the easiest and most thorough way.
 

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I've been subscribed to this girl for a while and enjoy her videos. I think she could be a good example of an ESFJ who vibes like a "people's ENFP" :D

(Her and her boyfriend are super cute...makes me want to be a cute gamer couple with someone. :cry:)


[MENTION=24479]themightyfetus[/MENTION] if you're still confused maybe watching one of her vids could help?

Also tagging [MENTION=4945]EJCC[/MENTION] for Lightning
 

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I've been subscribed to this girl for a while and enjoy her videos. I think she could be a good example of an ESFJ who vibes like a "people's ENFP" :D

(Her and her boyfriend are super cute...makes me want to be a cute gamer couple with someone. :cry:)

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I think that's a good candidate because I vomited in my moth w watching it.

Then I gagged on it and passed out.
 

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I think that's a good candidate because I vomited in my moth w watching it.

Then I gagged on it and passed out.

Haha, I like the cheese :D but yeah it's an acquired taste i suppose
 

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I have someone in my theater class who seems like an ESFJ "ENFP." She's random and silly, like ENFPs are made out to be, but she seems to have a different...flair.

I was performing something for the class, a puppet show. My puppet is a two-year-old socialist running for president. I made quite a few political references. Afterwards, she approached me saying, "It was great, but just be careful. Some of the freshmen might not know what you're talking about." Was that a Fe statement? I don't know. (It really irritated me, though. I'm not dumbing down my political insight for a bunch of fourteen-year-olds. They can learn.)

I'm also in a project group with her. She told everyone, "Now, we are all going to promise to remain positive in this group." That bothered me. Who said I had to remain positive? But that seemed like Fe, and some Positive Outlook kind of thing.

She's very "out there" about encouraging other people. Like, she'll do it from across the room. Also definitely in the Get-Things-Going interaction style. Seems ENFP at first, but is pretty clearly not once you get to know her.

Didn't mean to bitch about Fe or type 2's, because I literally am Fe and 2, lol
 

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In response to the comment that Emma Stone is an FJ, what?! She is obviously an SP type, most likely ESTP!
 
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