Donald Trump's Myers-Briggs Type

[tommyc]

Lol. You completely proved my point with your response, in an almost self-parody.

I am asking you to present a case for Trump being an Intuitive, rather than you merely countering every thing I say. What points to him being an Intuitive? What does he display in his behaviour which would mark him out as favouring Intuition over Sensing?

 

[Drapeaux]

Why take Trump's type so seriously? Nothing about him should be taken seriously. This isn't said to anyone in particular, just food for thought.

 

[Jaguar]

And you lack the energy to present your case. Sad.

I don't have a case to prove. You do:

Intuitive thinkers very rarely gravitate toward fictional writing. If anything, such activity correlates strongly with xNFPs.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

jesus h christ

 

[raskol]

Lol. You completely proved my point with your response, in an almost self-parody.

You obviously don't understand that what I presented above, regarding anything from argumentation or the assertion of truth-value, are objective criteria that we constantly fall under. If you take issue with that, then you lack the basics required to understand these matters.

I am asking you to present a case for Trump being an Intuitive, rather than you merely countering every thing I say.

I presented it, via negativa, in my first post, showing how Te/Fi takes precedence to Ti/Fe. And since we know that if one judging function is extraverted, the other must be introverted. What's more, if we assemble Te/Fi with Ni/Se, we end up with ENTJ. In other words, a type that speaks directly and to the point, initiates interaction, and that is overtly controlling. ESTJs are similar in that sense, but ENTJs focus on the long term and struggle to memorize names and the order of historical details and, if they can, will shirk basic duties. In an unhealthy state, caught in a Te-Se loop, ENTJs will also depress Ni and become overtly action-oriented workaholics eschewing sleep and restful activities.

Trump, as we know, sleeps 4-5 hours per night and has specified that he only cares to read a maximum of one page of bullet points at briefings. He has a set course and, as an ENTJ with a Si blindspot, he relies on his gut feeling and doesn't want to tax his resources by following procedure. That is perhaps what is left of his Ni: desire, will, instinct, gut feeling, and a vision that requires the exclusion of "outside noise."

What points to him being an Intuitive? What does he display in his behaviour which would mark him out as favouring Intuition over Sensing?

That's not how it works. Refocus on type and the function pairs, not on apparent dichotomies.

Why take Trump's type so seriously? Nothing about him should be taken seriously. This isn't said to anyone in particular, just food for thought.

Of course Trump's type isn't a serious matter. I'm rather responding to being attacked, hoping that someone--who isn't low energy, low-T, and very, very sad--will actually counter my arguments.

 

[Drapeaux]

Of course Trump's type isn't a serious matter. I'm rather responding to being attacked, hoping that someone--who isn't low energy, low-T, and very, very sad--will actually counter my arguments.

It seems this site has a gag order on political talk, so this may not be the ideal arena to have an actual debate on things of perceived import, even if non-political. I'm pretty sure Personality Cafe is more active in this regard if I remember correctly. It's been a long time since I frequented that place though.

 

[tommyc]

Ok Raskolnik. You are unable to show me any reasons for why he favours Intuition over Sensing as his primary process of perceiving. In my opinion, you are focusing too much on third and fourth functions which are much harder to spot. Also you arent conducting yourself very politely. So Im out.

 

[raskol]

It seems this site has a gag order on political talk, so this may not be the ideal arena to have an actual debate on things of perceived import, even if non-political.

What's wrong with people? Not once have I argued for or against anything politically in this thread. I am presenting the case for Trump as an ENTJ without including a single policy-related issue.

If someone can rise from the dust and argue coherently in favor of Ti/Fe, then I'll be very pleased.

 

[Drapeaux]

What's wrong with people? Not once have I argued for or against anything politically in this thread. I am presenting the case for Trump as an ENTJ without including a single policy-related issue.

Right. My point is that the gag order on politics shows what type of member base this site has. I'm not saying you're arguing politics. I'm saying people not interested in debating politics are also unlikely to be interested in the intensity of debate you're demanding here. I get that you're rearing to go. Most people aren't. Why complain there aren't any tigers in a barn instead of going to the jungle instead?

If someone can rise from the dust and argue coherently in favor of Ti/Fe, then I'll be very pleased.

Pleased, eh? Most people's top priority is neither living up to the standards of nor pleasing a complete stranger on the internet, and for good reason too.

 

[raskol]

Why complain there aren't any tigers in a barn instead of going to the jungle instead?

Point me there, Friday, and I'll go.

Pleased, eh? Most people's top priority is neither living up to the standards of nor pleasing a complete stranger on the internet, and for good reason too.

You're reading some kind of weird innuendo into my use of the word pleased. What I meant to say is that it would satisfy my intellectual curiosity on the subject matter.

 

[Drapeaux]

Point me there, Friday, and I'll go.

I would, but part of finding the jungle is learning how to use a map. Ideally your own map. Otherwise it's not your jungle, it's mine.

You're reading some kind of weird innuendo into my use of the word pleased. What I meant to say is that it would satisfy my intellectual curiosity on the subject matter.

Yeah I know. But it's the same thing. Why are you trying to demand others satisfy your intellectual curiosity, and getting bothered by them not living up to your standard of argument? They don't exist to do that. If you feel you've won, move on. Don't beat them over the head, it makes it seem like you want something too much.

 

[raskol]

I would, but part of finding the jungle is learning how to use a map. Ideally your own map. Otherwise it's not your jungle, it's mine.

Yeah I know. But it's the same thing. Why are you trying to demand others satisfy your intellectual curiosity, and getting bothered by them not living up to your standard of argument? They don't exist to do that.

I'm assuming this is one of those Fi v. Fe clashes that are bound to occur when our types interact. Your frame of reference is very foreign to me.

If you feel you've won, move on. Don't beat them over the head, it makes it seem like you want something too much.

It's not about winning. It's about encountering someone who can argue coherently, thus improving the typology tool set for all of those who partake in the discussion.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Many people here are intimidated by direct/blunt communication and misinterpret it as a hostile attack.

 

[Drapeaux]

I'm assuming this is one of those Fi v. Fe clashes that are bound to occur when our types interact. Your frame of reference is very foreign to me.

Yeah, I'm pretty Fe heavy I suppose.

It's not about winning. It's about encountering someone who can argue coherently, thus improving the typology tool set for all of those who partake in the discussion.

My point is, you can't demand someone live up to your standard of coherent. You can only go where those people exist. Anything else is trying to make metal into gold, or gold into metal, depending on perspective.

 

[Maou]

This thread has become an unwitting surrogate battle of what people determine to be the worse type.

Trump is an ENTJ.

Many mistake his public, terse, and vulgar way of speaking to be his actual thoughts. Simplistic and to the educated...dumb. But surely people realize that he is doing that intentionally to reach a larger market to sell his ideas. A simple message is harder to corrupt, and Trump has mastered the art of repetition and use of memetic memory to produce results that settle largely into the subconscious mind. He is a master at socially employing the "Art of war" when engaging his political foes. He clearly is a master maneuverer that forces his enemies to reveal their true natures for all to see. He even sets traps, with simple bait to draw his political enemies into the things he actually wants to talk about. He's so good at marketing himself, people can't go a day without thinking about him.

This all reeks of ENTJ to me, and he matches the profile quite well. Outside of politics, and throughout history. Trump has show strong moral conviction, and kindness to many people. Everyone loved him, he was like a real Tony Stark. That all changed when he ran for president though. But I don't overlook history so easily when typing someone.

 

[raskol]

My point is, you can't demand someone live up to your standard of coherent. You can only go where those people exist. Anything else is trying to make metal into gold, or gold into metal, depending on perspective.

That's what I am trying to find out by rattling cages and picking apart arguments. There is no other way.

Also this:

Many people here are intimidated by direct/blunt communication and misinterpret it as a hostile attack.

 

[Drapeaux]

That's what I am trying to find out by rattling cages and picking apart arguments. There is no other way.

Also this:

I tend to get an impression of someone or the wider social environment and know intrinsically what can or can't be found within it. Another Fe/Fi difference I guess. Interesting stuff. Anyway, good luck with your search, and I hope you find the person or people you are looking for.

 

[Norexan]

Clear powerful ESTP. Popular in mass with his bluntness (Se (direct) ---> Fe (mass)) who can sell flaw thing as new (Se -> Ti)

 

[raskol]

Clear powerful ESTP. Popular in mass who can sell flaw thing as new!

As I argued above, ESTP is the fake media persona that was crafted in the 1980s.

Feel free to argue the case for the Ti/Fe axis.

 

[Norexan]

As I argued above, ESTP is the fake media persona that was crafted in the 1980s.

Feel free to argue the case for the Ti/Fe axis.

Fe is what mass wants. It is very changeable function or in another words it depends from person to person because it adjust itself trough out age and time and culture where you are born.
Why? Because Fe want to be nice to people, to please people, to give people what they want to hear (very marketing function i.e. propaganda)). And with dom Se it becomes master seller!