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Red Herring

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German center-right leader mulls cooperation with far right at municipal level


There you go Herring.
I told you about a year ago that the guy will do it.
LOL. He backpaddled almost immediately. After severe criticism from within his own party he tweeted that, obviously, the party resolution on not cooperating with the AfD , not even on a municipal level, was still valid and claimed to never have said otherwise (which is bullshit, he was testing the waters).

In any case, his remarks were explicitely about municipal level, where party politics play much less of a role and it's more about "Do we build a traffic light at that crossing?" or "What building could be used for the new youth center?". The CDU in the East is already doing this in a few villages, as far as I know, simply because in some places the AfD is so big that you can't just ignore them if the administration is to keep running. It's an issue of local party groups in small towns and villages occasionally acting against national level party resolutions, mainly in the East.
 

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LOL. He backpaddled almost immediately. After severe criticism from within his own party he tweeted that, obviously, the party resolution on not cooperating with the AfD , not even on a municipal level, was still valid and claimed to never have said otherwise (which is bullshit, he was testing the waters).

In any case, his remarks were explicitely about municipal level, where party politics play much less of a role and it's more about "Do we build a traffic light at that crossing?" or "What building could be used for the new youth center?". The CDU in the East is already doing this in a few villages, as far as I know, simply because in some places the AfD is so big that you can't just ignore them if the administration is to keep running. It's an issue of local party groups in small towns and villages occasionally acting against national level party resolutions, mainly in the East.


Yeah, I later saw that he tried to take it back. However since he is testing the waters it is now obvious that his is open to various ideas with AfD.
The things is that I have much more experience with center right + far right governing and from the start I had this impression that he will not be able to resits the temptation. After all just a mile down the road I have hundreds of thousands of people under such governing combination (and center right is junior partner). In Germany this is still a taboo topic but with current AfD surge I am not sure for how long you can just ignore them. After all this is kinda what is causing the surge in the first place.
 

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Any thoughts on the judicial reform in Israel?
 

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...center right + far right governing and from the start I had this impression that he will not be able to resits the temptation.
FYI, I don't think politicians abandoning any concept of principle is based on their ideology (left or right). They will all whore themselves out for power.

I'm getting to witness it first hand right now in Canada, where our minority left wing party (the Liberals) have formed a coalition with the far left party (New Democrats)to prevent another election. The damage they are doing (i.e. massive deficits) will be felt for generations to come, but they don't care. Holding on to power trumps good governance in every politician's mind.
 

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FYI, I don't think politicians abandoning any concept of principle is based on their ideology (left or right). They will all whore themselves out for power.

I'm getting to witness it first hand right now in Canada, where our minority left wing party (the Liberals) have formed a coalition with the far left party (New Democrats)to prevent another election. The damage they are doing (i.e. massive deficits) will be felt for generations to come, but they don't care. Holding on to power trumps good governance in every politician's mind.

The thing is that new leader of German center right is pretty right wing. So it is indeed kinda to be expected that he will try to make something with far right. Because otherwise one day he will have to rule in combination with some left wing party. While objectively far right is closer to his own position on most topics. So here I think there is more than just pure self preservation. This actually makes sense ideologically regardless of what you are thinking about the guy.


However I do understand you regarding the public debt and this is actually one of the things where I am fairly to the right. The problems must not be ignored but out of control spending is evidently bad. Since fairly quickly the debt will start to choke the whole system and then you will struggle with maintaining even the basics. If you have reserve currency of the world you can perhaps soften this a little bit, however if you aren't American you actually need to repay the debt with interest and that will probably only drain you in the end. Actually I have experiences with politicians that were big spenders that solved little. They spent the money on nonsense and thus infrastructure still went to shit. What is a mess that takes many years and plenty of extra money to fix. Therefore I fully understand.

The debt clock says 129.6% of GDP for Canada's public debt and that is evidently too much. Especially if the trend is further increase.
 

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And Americans think that they have problems with partisan divisions.
But to be honest I think that there will be new snap elections around Christmas. This is basically ungovernable parliament.
 
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