Crap! Sorry entropie! I'll answer it right now:
Why are people in general so stubborn and so less open for different opinions on reality ?
When people believe certain things about reality, it's usually a very personal thing - like religion, almost. So when it's challenged, they won't be as logical as they might have been with other topics.
No. Not even close. Next thing ya know...the ESTJs will have to lobby for hate crimes laws to the bill writers of Type/c. Then, the xNxxs will appeal to the courts with an arguement of equal fairness for the other 15. Could even become an ESTJ civil rights issue. It is starting to appear that you are getting asked to the back of the bus by the majority in this entity
Nah, not really. I used to feel like that (it's the reason why I joined TypeC in the first place), but the vast majority of people here are interested in what the ESTJs have to say. And for those who aren't... I can only hope that the prescence of me and WickedQueen and others will prove them wrong.
:yim_rolling_on_the_ How come I never meet any XSTJ girls IRL?! I feel so alone! Tee hee.
You understand what I meant???
Thank you!!
YES! Power to the xSTJ women! Who... don't think much about... their... woman-ness... yeah. LOL.
But seriously. I second all those smileys.
1. I think I won't be too good in arguing with ESTJ.... I generally don't like arguing with anybody...
Well... maybe I don't mean "arguing". I just mean... explain your viewpoint as best you can. If they ask you questions like "but what about this?", then answer. I dunno if that's really "arguing". It's just a back-and-forth. You know how ESTJs think out loud.
2. I mean: How do you show an ESTJ...?
OK... well, you can probably tell them directly what's appreciated (as long as you're in private). But with regard to what's not appreciated... I guess that you could tell them that in private, too. You're an ENFP, so I don't need to tell you how to approach it - you guys are better at this sort of thing than I could ever hope to be. They won't enjoy it, but it's better than all the other options I can think of. Just... whatever you do... DON'T tell them something bad about them in front of other people who could overhear. They'll hate you for it.
3. Yes, domestic. Very direct is very difficult for me. I think ENFP-ESTJ relationship in the real life is very difficult because we are very different. I can only be direct when angry and then they'll be offended, I think. And it simply won't work I guess....
No, no! Don't give up yet! It can work.
I think what I meant by "direct" was that... you shouldn't try to send them small, indirect messages about it. We aren't very subtle people, usually, so they might not get the message. Just... tell them how you've been feeling. And like I said before, I trust you to go about that in a tactful, kind way. I like ENFPs (I dunno if other ESTJs do, but I do), and I know that they almost always mean well, so I think that ESTJs would be more likely to understand that you're not trying to insult them, than they would be if another type was telling them that.
Are you implying that you would rather be a guy?
I think this is the second time you've misinterpreted what I said into meaning that I want to be a man, d@v3.
I guess I understand what you mean... it's a weird thing. I'm fine being a girl. I'd be okay being a guy, but I like being a girl. I won't go into the reasons why it would suck to be a guy, because some of those reasons are... anatomical.
But anyways, what I meant by that was that I would hope that the way I act is how a PERSON would act. Not necessarily a woman. I would LIKE to think that all ESTJs think very similarly, regardless of gender. And it sucks to remember that, yes, women tend to be more emotional, and yes, they tend to act and think differently. But I wish that wasn't true.
It's not wanting to be a guy. It's wanting gender to not be an issue.
