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fear of abandonment
I see.
Although,I can't say I relate to them in that aspect,if the other person leaves then so be it;screw them.
That's probably just my 8-fix manifesting itself though.
fear of abandonment
This sounds like a core 4 issue to me, though I'm wondering if you've ALWAYS had the perception of being different and "wrong", or if it was others' treatment of you that led to this? If you're a core 4, you should have very early memories of touching upon this. Speaking for myself, I believe that 4 is my secondary fix for these reasons. Strongly relate, but others had to activate these feelings.In regards to 4 I relate to their feelings of shame,of being defective,their romanticism,being aware of their own emotions,as well as their integration and disintegration points.When I was younger I always felt that I wasn't like my peers,like I was fucked up in some way that made me awkward,and inept in comparison.I think this was due to my being very sensitive from an early age,in tandem with being rejected by certain people early on,I've never truly been able to get over/cope with that.Whereas before I felt I was defective,now I have come to accept myself for what I am,and understand that there's nothing wrong with me,it's just the way I am.
Who says 4s are conflict averse?The only thing I don't relate to is 4's aversion to conflict,but maybe that's just because of my tritype.
Based on this, I don't see much evidence for 6 at all. Sixes don't just walk around as a ball of anxiety or anything--any type can do that. Especially social anxiety--MANY people experience this. What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind. If you find that that sort of realism is big in your life, you may be a core 6.Now for 6.I relate to 6's need to face their fears;I have to come to suspect that I have a bit of social anxiety,people have always made me extremely nervous and I really detest talking to strangers.Once more,going back to my younger days,I used to go to great lengths to avoid having to interact with people(ie. skipping school,ditching class)for fear that they would notice my anxiety,therefore I would run away from my fears.As I have grown,I've learned to enjoy pushing myself to do things I am afraid of such as interacting with people when necessary,I've learned to hide my anxiety mildly well,and appear relatively at ease,although I still haven't figured out how to stop myself from blushing when someone catches me off-guard,haha.All in all,I like pushing myself to do things I don't want to/am afraid of,I see them as a challenge or a chance to improve myself.
However,I do not relate to 6's loyalist,rule abiding nature,but that may be because I'm an Sx first?I also do not relate to it's disintegration point for certain,and I'm pretty sure I don't relate to it's integration point very well either.
Interesting...yes I've heard that,I think it's especially applicable towards Sx 6's,as I've heard they are the most rebellious 6(*hopes rising*).
Although I actually,naturally have a mistrust/lack of respect for authority,I always assume power to bring out the worst in others.
Overall,I've never been inclined to trust my elders/authority figures,they're all human,and all humans are corrupt/capable of corruption.
You seem like a four to me.
By the way, I see you're still undecided about your MBTI type, why?
Well,it's actually kind of the same reason I was unsure that I was a four...do I want to be an N just to be rare or am I really an N?Once again,I want to know what I really am.
Also,I know someone who I'm pretty sure is an INFP,and she's my literal opposite...so I have no idea anymore.
This sounds like a core 4 issue to me, though I'm wondering if you've ALWAYS had the perception of being different and "wrong", or if it was others' treatment of you that led to this? If you're a core 4, you should have very early memories of touching upon this. Speaking for myself, I believe that 4 is my secondary fix for these reasons. Strongly relate, but others had to activate these feelings.
Who says 4s are conflict averse?
Based on this, I don't see much evidence for 6 at all. Sixes don't just walk around as a ball of anxiety or anything--any type can do that. Especially social anxiety--MANY people experience this. What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind. If you find that that sort of realism is big in your life, you may be a core 6.
Also, yeah, not all 6s are mind-cloned "loyalists"--some are rebellious and seek to stir the pot rather than follow along. So, it may help you to determine how much you engage in that as well.
A good question to help determine the difference would be--What is your relationship with your emotions?
Which functions do you think you use?
There is a similar conversation going on about Ni and Si. While these functions are ultimately distinct, I think there must be a lot of overlap on the most fundamental level. Extraverted perception is extraverted perception.Fi,I am very certain about that one.
The problem is I am not sure whether I use Ne or Se.
I think you're an INFP, I'm going by your socionics type.
Fi + Ne.
There is a similar conversation going on about Ni and Si. While these functions are ultimately distinct, I think there must be a lot of overlap on the most fundamental level. Extraverted perception is extraverted perception.
What exactly do you mean by defense?
Sanjuro said:What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind.
What 6s experience is existential anxiety--the sense that life is insecure and things can always go wrong. Hence, they tend to walk around in that frame of mind.
Alright,so I'm starting to question whether I'm really a four or if I just want to be a four,because I want to be special and misunderstood or whatever.
I usually test as a 4w5,but that doesn't tell me much as I understand online tests are inaccurate,I fear I may just be lying to myself sub-consciously or something,or maybe I really have no idea who I am.Either way,I want to know which one I am,as the enneagram is a tool for self discovery and growth,and possibly lying to myself just defeats the purpose of it all.
Anyways,weird rant aside,I am pretty confident my tritype is some variant of 4-6-8,with the eight in last.
That being said,I relate to both 4 and 6 pretty well.
In regards to 4 I relate to their feelings of shame,of being defective,their romanticism,being aware of their own emotions,as well as their integration and disintegration points.When I was younger I always felt that I wasn't like my peers,like I was fucked up in some way that made me awkward,and inept in comparison.I think this was due to my being very sensitive from an early age,in tandem with being rejected by certain people early on,I've never truly been able to get over/cope with that.Whereas before I felt I was defective,now I have come to accept myself for what I am,and understand that there's nothing wrong with me,it's just the way I am.
The only thing I don't relate to is 4's aversion to conflict,but maybe that's just because of my tritype.
Now for 6.I relate to 6's need to face their fears;I have to come to suspect that I have a bit of social anxiety,people have always made me extremely nervous and I really detest talking to strangers.Once more,going back to my younger days,I used to go to great lengths to avoid having to interact with people(ie. skipping school,ditching class)for fear that they would notice my anxiety,therefore I would run away from my fears.As I have grown,I've learned to enjoy pushing myself to do things I am afraid of such as interacting with people when necessary,I've learned to hide my anxiety mildly well,and appear relatively at ease,although I still haven't figured out how to stop myself from blushing when someone catches me off-guard,haha.All in all,I like pushing myself to do things I don't want to/am afraid of,I see them as a challenge or a chance to improve myself.
However,I do not relate to 6's loyalist,rule abiding nature,but that may be because I'm an Sx first?I also do not relate to it's disintegration point for certain,and I'm pretty sure I don't relate to it's integration point very well either.
I apologize for my rambling,and would appreciate anyone's input on which one they think I am,based on this of course.
[MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]
Hello to you as well,
Haha yes,I am very self righteous,it's fine I am aware of it.I think maybe Fe is more inclined towards being conflict adverse?
Yes,that it pretty close to what I understood about e4 working in tandem with IFP.
About the passive aggressive nature of six;I must say I do not relate,I am very straight forward in my aggression,I don't like to play games or beat around the bush just because social niceties dictate so,I'd rather face the conflict head on in order to resolve it,even if it means forfeiting harmony within the group.All in all I have no patience for that sort of thing.
So in that case I could very much see Cp6 in that respect.
I am not sure about the intuitive part,but otherwise yes,I am fairly certain I am an IFP. Yes I will look into the fears,I think it is my best bet for discerning between the two.
I'm sorry what do you mean what am I?My enneagram?My MBTI?Haha you and me both...
Wait,what I don't?(!)Why do you say that?what do you think I have instead then?I decided on 6w7 because I did not relate to descriptions of the 6w5 at all (too uptight) and I related to 8's fear of appearing weak,but did not relate to the "sleeping bear" nature of 8w9's.
So, yes,please elaborate.I am suddenly very curious...
Thank you.
That it does.
Yes,I am trying to decide between 4w5 and 6w7,I do not see myself as a 6w5.
Hello again tsu..(okay I'm typing on a tiny screen atm so please forgive me with regards to the spelling of your user name. I'm trying to catch you while you're still online...and will respond to the rest of your post in a bit...)
Why would you relate to the 5 in 4w5...but not the 5 in 6w5? Are you basing this off the descriptions alone?
It's fine.
Yes,I am basing it off the descriptions alone.I assume this is incorrect.
Well, not entirely...descriptions certainly have their place haha. The problem with enneagram though (what sets it apart from other theories)...is you are dealing with thing you are working very hard to keep hidden from yourself. In this way...it is often the description that you have an initial adverse reaction to...the type you are quite certain you're not...that is who you are. Typing by description isn't the way to go about it as far as I'm concerned...but I will say in the same breath that I'm a little more radical (?) in my thinking I guess.
Do you test as INFP? Are you pretty balanced along function lines? (I actually didn't notice self-righteousness from you...which when considering in your specific case would point away from e4 in my mind.