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I hope RFK Jr. and his New Age bullshit doesn't have anything to do with the FDA. I really like taking things that are empirically proven to work at some extent. I am sure there is corporate corruption there like with everything else in this fine country of ours. But even that is better than the natural crap people insist on everyone else taking because it makes them feel good to advocate for natural things, because it makes them feel like they're less a part of this messed-up world we live in. Do some studies on it, and verify it works; that's important, not your sense of purity in relation to the rest of the world. I like my medicine to be empirically verified, I'm a square brainwashed snob like that.

I have nothing against people taking psilocybin recreationally. But is it empirically proven to work for any of these things people are claiming it works for? I would hate to see it shoved down people's throats if it does nothing or makes them worse.
 
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One more thing for the night:

Regarding Dick Cheney and anyone else associated with that administration, and why I don't care about them seeing the light about Trump: This world, the one we live in right now, is the world they built.

At a bare minimum, this division, this lack of social trust, this lack of trust in institutions? They created that, with their deceptions, with their use of the organs of the government to reshape the truth, with their blatant contempt for any objection to their agenda. We are reaping the rewards of that public service.

The idea that we should be impressed by Bush or Cheney or anybody else from the GOP of the aughts coming out against Trump is uproariously funny to me. This is their work! They had a totalitarian aspect to their stewardship, too. Did they think their philosophy of governance would not have any negative effects downstream? They walked so Trump could run.
 
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With all due respect but you guys are starting to overthink this.


First of all the score in the house is currently at 216 R vs 208 D, while 218 gives you the control. Therefore as it looks on seat by seat basis Republicans will have even more slim majority than they had. Which was already razor thin. What evidently means that there is no MAGA majority for the most crazy stuff.

Kinda the same is with the senate where should be 53 out of 100 majority. What is simply too thin for ultra radical changes, especially due to establishment republicans that are still in the mix. Therefore this will probably flip back in 2026. Especially if Trump masses up, what is evidently possible.

US could actually use some sorting out when it comes to street crime and pointless spending.

Some ultra large changes in foreign policy also aren't possible, especially not over the night. In other words there are plenty of industries that are fully reliant on the policy as it is now. Not to mention that many of these are in the red states. So all the changes will have to be gradual if he doesn't want blue tsunami in 2026.


The real question should be more like: can either party keep the top position of US in the world? That one is actually much bigger enigma. But when it comes to these elections in particular I think you are kinda overthinking all of this.
 

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Exit polling:

This is not a mandate for Fascism. It's a frustration with the status quo--like trends are globally. I wouldn't necessarily call it a self-aware, thoughtful or strategic expression of frustrations.

But the polls show the reason. People did not believe they were better off from 4 years ago. I believe it's as simple as that. All the other things are noise.

Almost any candidate would have been in a no win situation as the representative of the incumbent government.

I actually think one big thing that affected the election is that ST men are mad at women (sometimes rightly so).
 

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I hope RFK Jr. and his New Age bullshit doesn't have anything to do with the FDA. I really like taking things that are empirically proven to work at some extent. I am sure there is corporate corruption there like with everything else in this fine country of ours. But even that is better than the natural crap people insist on everyone else taking because it makes them feel good to advocate for natural things, because it makes them feel like they're less a part of this messed-up world we live in. Do some studies on it, and verify it works; that's important, not your sense of purity in relation to the rest of the world. I like my medicine to be empirically verified, I'm a square brainwashed snob like that.

I have nothing against people taking psilocybin recreationally. But is it empirically proven to work for any of these things people are claiming it works for? I would hate to see it shoved down people's throats if it does nothing or makes them worse.
I'm worried he will remove fluoride from the water. Reminds me of Dr. Strangelove

 

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There is something fishy about this election. The fact that democrats were seeing record registrations and yet she still underperformed Biden. The way Trump was smugly saying it didn’t matter and he would win no matter what. I think the right found a way to put their finger on the scales and there should be investigations, otherwise it’s going to keep happening.

I think the Dems kind of shot themselves in the feet by repeatedly saying that our elections are fair, because now it will look bad if they call for any investigations.

My gut is telling me a lot of shenanigans happened. With republicans in power, they will likely bury or destroy any evidence of wrongdoings on their part.
 
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With all due respect but you guys are starting to overthink this.


First of all the score in the house is currently at 216 R vs 208 D, while 218 gives you the control. Therefore as it looks on seat by seat basis Republicans will have even more slim majority than they had. Which was already razor thin. What evidently means that there is no MAGA majority for the most crazy stuff.

Kinda the same is with the senate where should be 53 out of 100 majority. What is simply too thin for ultra radical changes, especially due to establishment republicans that are still in the mix. Therefore this will probably flip back in 2026. Especially if Trump masses up, what is evidently possible.

US could actually use some sorting out when it comes to street crime and pointless spending.

Some ultra large changes in foreign policy also aren't possible, especially not over the night. In other words there are plenty of industries that are fully reliant on the policy as it is now. Not to mention that many of these are in the red states. So all the changes will have to be gradual if he doesn't want blue tsunami in 2026.


The real question should be more like: can either party keep the top position of US in the world? That one is actually much bigger enigma. But when it comes to these elections in particular I think you are kinda overthinking all of this.
People are worried that there may not be a next time.
 

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People are worried that there may not be a next time.


I know, but I just don't think that is likely.
In the case that Trump won Regan style landslide on all levels then I would be willing to buy this particular concern. I know that some people are in shock over this but lets not make things look worse than they are. After all his age will soon start to be quite visible problem. So this term will probably look as his first term for the most part. After what age and term limits will do their thing. While no one really has the charisma to truly replace him. What suggests business as usual (at least inside the country). In other words what will be happening globally is completely different pair of shoes.
 

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Remember boys and girls.
It aint over till its over.
Keep hanging in there.​
 
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I know, but I just don't think that is likely.
In the case that Trump won Regan style landslide on all levels then I would be willing to buy this particular concern. I know that some people are in shock over this but lets not make things look worse than they are. After all his age will soon start to be quite visible problem. So this term will probably look as his first term for the most part. After what age and term limits will do their thing. While no one really has the charisma to truly replace him. What suggests business as usual (at least inside the country). In other words what will be happening globally is completely different pair of shoes.
People tried to kill Trump twice. This will probably mean he becomes more paranoid and probably much more hostile to any opposition to his agenda or even preferences. The fact that people tried to kill them will probably also fuel the martyrdom complex of the American right. Thus, it is likely to affect the GOP as a whole and color the way they view anyone who isn't them.

Why won't there be revenge and retribution? For his legal troubles, for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if he used his position to retaliate against prosecuters.

J.D Vance is a big problem. He bothers me more than Trump. He wouldn't be an improvement.

I was afraid of a Reagan-style landslide. Thankfully, we didn't get that.
 
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People tried to kill Trump twice. This will probably mean he becomes more paranoid and probably much more hostile to any opposition to his agenda or even preferences. The fact that people tried to kill them will probably also fuel the martyrdom complex of the American right. Thus, it is likely to affect the GOP as a whole and color the way they view anyone who isn't them.

Why won't there be revenge and retribution? For his legal troubles, for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if he used his position to retaliate against prosecuters.

J.D Vance is a big problem. He bothers me more than Trump. He wouldn't be an improvement.

I was afraid of a Reagan-style landslide. Thankfully, we didn't get that.


In the cold war thread I just made a post about "landslide" and how that actually looks like.
I mean I never said that things wouldn't or couldn't get bad or radical. It is just that it is bad idea to have burnouts over this.
 
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In the cold war thread I just made a post about "landslide" and how that actually looks like.
I mean I never said that things wouldn't or couldn't get bad or radical. It is just that it is bad idea to have burnouts over this.
Probably.
 
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Sometimes it's good to refrain from speculation, and wait for facts. The task of refraining from speculation is difficult for me, but it is probably advisable. A more positive mindset can make it easier to take action.
 

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Sometimes it's good to refrain from speculation, and wait for facts. The task of refraining from speculation is difficult for me, but it is probably advisable. A more positive mindset can make it easier to take action.

This is exactly why I started this entire line of thoughts and posts. Yeah it is probably bad, but this almost surely isn't the actual end of the world. I already live life under the administration made out of conservatives and people who are evidently nationalists. However that isn't really the end of the world. There are problem, some are even getting solved, some people are doing plenty of protesting ... but the sum just isn't "end of the world".
 

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There is something fishy about this election. The fact that democrats were seeing record registrations and yet she still underperformed Biden. The way Trump was smugly saying it didn’t matter and he would win no matter what. I think the right found a way to put their finger on the scales and there should be investigations, otherwise it’s going to keep happening.

I think the Dems kind of shot themselves in the feet by repeatedly saying that our elections are fair, because now it will look bad if they call for any investigations.

My gut is telling me a lot of shenanigans happened. With republicans in power, they will likely bury or destroy any evidence of wrongdoings on their part.
You would think it'd be the opposite with all the COVID stuff in 2020.
 

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There is something fishy about this election. The fact that democrats were seeing record registrations and yet she still underperformed Biden. The way Trump was smugly saying it didn’t matter and he would win no matter what. I think the right found a way to put their finger on the scales and there should be investigations, otherwise it’s going to keep happening.

I think the Dems kind of shot themselves in the feet by repeatedly saying that our elections are fair, because now it will look bad if they call for any investigations.

My gut is telling me a lot of shenanigans happened. With republicans in power, they will likely bury or destroy any evidence of wrongdoings on their part.
I understand why you are saying this, and there are definitely a lot of questions out there.

At the same time, our voting system isn't nationalized when it comes to voting for president even with it being a "national" election -- all voting processes and data collection can differ from state to state, and the votes are collected & tallied on a local level in local precincts using whatever mechanisms they have on that level for tabulating ballots, then sent to a central state location for compilation. Because of the diversity and antiquity range of the systems involved, it's hard to make easy wholesale changes across a vote count.

Depending on state (and I am no longer really "up" on this process, the last time I looked seriously into it was 2000), it's possible data once collected at the state level could be fudged somehow, I just don't know what that would be.

The reason there was a lot of concern in 2000 was in regards to exit polling, where some of the election results did not seem to match the polling results beyond the expected variance. Proper exit polling allows for calibration with the reported election results -- you are comparing what the system tells you the vote count is, versus what the actual voters say their votes were. It's hard to believe all the voters would lie in an exit poll in the same direction that you think the tabulated results were fudged. So... do our state exit polls generally match the state's reported vote counts?

I guess the other thing is that Trump's group has always been a clown circus. Fucking incompetent across the board. It's hard to believe his crowd would have both the skill to pull this off and the ability to keep their mouths shut about it considering how many people might need to be involved. However, he has tech heads like Musk involved now -- this is yet another peril when tech oligarch types get involved and it's in their best interest to muck with stuff.

So.... I dunno.

It's pretty crazy though that Harris thought her campaign was doing well and doing a lot of hard work, and it looks like she lost just about EVERY swing state. That's kind of disturbing in implications, with a thumb on the scales or the campaign itself being SO out of touch. We've been discussing the latter a lot in here.
 

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Even if they did do something fishy. They spent the last four years crying foul and unfair and rigged with dems and such stepping up to say no its not that no it isnt. Now any cries of fouls will automatically get filtered into the public consciousness of oh well look who's crying foul when it didnt go your way?

So calling shenanigans now feels to me like picking one of the four winds and spitting into it.

Not to mention the insane conspiracies that have been flooding the market for over 8 years, while dems have been saying there's no such thing as conspiracies...

Im sure money changed hands in some way shape or form with broadcasting and streaming who saw what ads and what algorythms put what on who's feed when...Marketing plays a part Im sure, but whether it was anything apart from marketing and bribes in the halls of institutional power, the likes of us will probably never truly know. Because IF it is some sort of conspiracy or shennanigans, its the msm, dnc, and rnc all marching in coordination and I don't know, I dont want to think that's true. But the alternative that folks are just too far gone to care much one way or the other, seems just as grim if not more so.

Logically speaking, I would like to say that it was just a bunch of bullshit all hitting the fan in the exact right way at the exact right time to just explode out and fan cover us all....But then the term logically speaking doesnt seem to have the same meaning I thought it had before tuesday.

Personally Im not ruling anything out, but for me in the end it will always come down to at the end of the day one side claimed to be the best better than anyone at team building and had a bunch of its base not show up on the game day, and the other side actually built a coalition and got its based pumped up to get out and fight fight fight on game night.

Im not saying that fascistic authoritarians wouldnt cheat if they had to, I'm just questioning if they did, how hard did they really have to try? If they did...Didnt we make it awful easy for them to do?

I honestly don't know. But it's been keeping me up at night.
 
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