Random Politics Thread

[Virtual ghost]

World’s cartoonists on this week’s events

 

[tinydancer89]

All the negative talk about Biden shitting in his diaper, meanwhile when it comes out Trump ACTUALLY does this, suddenly it’s a positive

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786152479668986123

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Why are the maga chicks in Congress and other elected offices all ratchet meth head beckies?

 

[Quick]

Your wish is granted.

Here's 14 things.
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Hey, thanks for making a video just based on what I said. I appreciate it. I have some comments.

First, when I heard the first one or two things you listed about Trump, I thought, "Here we go." Why? Because they are not actually policies that Trump enlisted. It's fine if you want to call Trump supporters fascists. Some of them are. But in the end, it does not matter what his supporters think. It matters what Trump has actually done. So I would need to see some policies that Trump forwarded that were a conduit for fascism. Why? Because fascism is a kind of government. Trump did not make himself a dictator. How do I know that? He is not the president today and has a ton of legal issues. That would not be happening if he was a dictator. Further, Trump very much is into state government, not federal government. Take Abortion, for example. He said he would not really sign a national legislature about banning abortion. He wants the power to be in the States. That is about the least fascist thing I can think of doing.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Trump did not make himself a dictator.

He wanted to. The fact that it didn't work out doesn't change that.

 

[Quick]

He wanted to. The fact that it didn't work out doesn't change that.

Okay, that is really easy to say and hard to disprove. So tell me what Trump actually did to put himself as a dictator.

 

[Quick]

All the negative talk about Biden shitting in his diaper, meanwhile when it comes out Trump ACTUALLY does this, suddenly it’s a positive

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786152479668986123

Completely unrelated to Biden. I don't really care about this. So there are five whackjobs who have weird views. It does not prove anything about Trump or Biden.

 

[Quick]

Seems most of the arguments against Trump are sorta "guilty by association" rather than what Trump has actually done himself.

I say this as not being a Trump supporter. I can't stand the guy. I am just trying to be fair. I would hope I would do the same thing about anyone. But attacking a man based on crazy people who support the man isn't a very good argument about the man in question himself.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Okay, that is really easy to say and hard to disprove. So tell me what Trump actually did to put himself as a dictator.

I don't remember him distancing himself from the rioters on January 6th.

 

[Quick]

I don't remember him distancing himself from the rioters on January 6th.

That is a huge can of worms. IMO, I think Jan 6 was basically a perfect storm. You had a lot of people with crackpot views all happening at the same time. Trump did not condone violence or storming the capital. Did he say to protest? Probably, but that is no different than Antifa causing billions of dollars worth of damage in their "mostly peaceful protests."

 

[The Cat]

I don't remember him distancing himself from the rioters on January 6th.

FWIW, It seems the conversation is not in good faith. Nothing you can post or say that's going to get through, because at this point, they're going to keep moving the finish line.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

FWIW, It seems the conversation is not in good faith. Nothing you can post or say that's going to get through, because at this point, they're going to keep moving the finish line.

Probably not. I was getting exhausted anyway.

 

[The Cat]

Probably not. I was getting exhausted anyway.

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

I do this kind of thing not for the other person, but for the benefit of bystanders. But I have limits.

 

[Totenkindly]

Seems that was the point the whole time. It is an election year after all, there's always a few that ooze in to do it. Makes it impossible to have a conversation, but proves they were never interested in having one in the first place. Its just a song and dance with "free bird seed".

...Or beer.

But this is the old old story that will continue to play out through the endless cycle of human discourse.

sorry, I only included the pertinent parts... you'll have to find the full vid elsewhere.

 

[Quick]

FWIW, It seems the conversation is not in good faith. Nothing you can post or say that's going to get through, because at this point, they're going to keep moving the finish line.

No, the problem is that we are coming at things from very different axioms. You guys seem to think the guilty-by-association arguments work. I don't. That's just an example. Another would be that you are innocent until proven guilty. Just because people claim someone is an oppressor does not mean they actually are just because someone said it. And that's another thing. You guys probably have assumptions about there being an oppressor vs oppressed class system. That's a Marxist ideology. Marxism has not worked anywhere it has been tried.

I heard recently that someone was saying if a person holds X view, then you could very much guess 10 other views they would hold. This is how our society has been polarized. You have radically different assumptions about reality going on largely between two groups of people. So it is not that I am arguing in bad faith. It is that I see the whole world differently than you guys do. That does not mean I am a racist, homophobic, transphobic bigot. It's that today people are content to just label other people as some sort of pejorative rather than actually getting to know what the person believes and why. It's easy to do this. It's easy to be polarizing. I try to fight against that. I do have my views. But to just label me as not arguing in good faith just demonstrates that you probably do not talk to many people of a different persuasion than you. It's groupthink on both sides largely produced by social media and news outlets.

 

[The Cat]

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[The Cat]

 

[Quick]

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Then you basically are content to say I am arguing in bad faith without addressing my actual arguments.

 

[Quick]

Like instead of actually seeing what I am saying you double down? I get you are coming from a different perspective, but it does seem like you are burying your head in the sand.