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[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

DeSagging: Florida governor drops in POLITICO rankings

 

[SensEye]

Several comments:

1) Bit of a swing and a miss from ol' Beau about Trump surrendering. If he pleaded guilty, I would call that surrender. Agreeing to go to trial to defend your innocence is reasonable. Although I think Trump's strategy is to delay going to trial in hopes of a Republican win making it all go away. He certainly has not surrendered though.

2) I mentioned earlier that Rich Men dude was being unfairly maligned. The left was just knee jerk reacting to the right's co-opting of this guy as their spokesperson (which he is not). Still waiting to see if he cashes in on his 15 minutes of fame (and as I said I wouldn't blame him, he's going back to obscurity soon enough, might as well top up the old bank account on the way). But I will admire him if he doesn't.

3) I keep seeing non-pro Trump Republicans saying they don't think Trump will be the nominee. For the other contenders, it is political tradition to be a blind optimist (i.e. claiming you think you can win when you have zero chance) but for other commentators I wonder are they just stupid? They seem to be banking on Trump's legal problems bogging him down with no evidence that will happen. Will any of them eat humble pie once they are proven wrong?

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

Several comments:

1) Bit of a swing and a miss from ol' Beau about Trump surrendering. If he pleaded guilty, I would call that surrender. Agreeing to go to trial to defend your innocence is reasonable. Although I think Trump's strategy is to delay going to trial in hopes of a Republican win making it all go away. He certainly has not surrendered though.

2) I mentioned earlier that Rich Men dude was being unfairly maligned. The left was just knee jerk reacting to the right's co-opting of this guy as their spokesperson (which he is not). Still waiting to see if he cashes in on his 15 minutes of fame (and as I said I wouldn't blame him, he's going back to obscurity soon enough, might as well top up the old bank account on the way). But I will admire him if he doesn't.

3) I keep seeing non-pro Trump Republicans saying they don't think Trump will be the nominee. For the other contenders, it is political tradition to be a blind optimist (i.e. claiming you think you can win when you have zero chance) but for other commentators I wonder are they just stupid? They seem to be banking on Trump's legal problems bogging him down with no evidence that will happen. Will any of them eat humble pie once they are proven wrong?

Every one of these degenerates had the hope of overturning the election and Trump pardoning them for everything they did to put him there. They continue to think this pile of shit will show them some loyalty which, is hilarious. Pretty sure Beau said surrender in that he came in and surrendered - not had a warrant put out for his arrest and brought in by law enforcement, although he might have considered that from a martyrdom aspect. But he is far too much of a pussy for a stunt like that.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

3) I keep seeing non-pro Trump Republicans saying they don't think Trump will be the nominee. For the other contenders, it is political tradition to be a blind optimist (i.e. claiming you think you can win when you have zero chance) but for other commentators I wonder are they just stupid? They seem to be banking on Trump's legal problems bogging him down with no evidence that will happen. Will any of them eat humble pie once they are proven wrong?

I think for the other commentators it is probably just believing in the outcome acceptable to their brains. It isn't based on analysis or any kind of intellectual process; it's simply wishful thinking. I think in the case of people in the business of analyzing politics or conducting investigations, it counts as stupid. FFS people, you have to at least allow for the occurrence of the other outcome in your calculations.

I'm going to focus on the unavoidable negatives here, because it's what I'm good at.

I've seen plenty of this kind of thing at various stages in 2016, even with the head of the FBI. (His whole justification with reopening the investigation with Clinton was that he thought Trump would lose, anyway)

I don't know what will happen now but it is best to treat "predictions" about Trump losing as just noise. It's nothing more then people saying a thing will happen because they want it to happen.

They are all predicated in there being some moral or intellectual floor to which American voters are incapable of descending beneath. Good luck counting on that.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I don't know what will happen now but it is best to treat "predictions" about Trump losing as just noise. It's nothing more then people saying a thing will happen because they want it to happen.

Absolutely, if there would be no legal problems he would have pretty open path to get back into the office.


1. His primary lead is so big that he should carry every single state.
2. In general the polls are around the tie. However dems. need at least 3.5 point win in order to win electoral college. Therefore he basically wins in 80% of polls.
3. If legal problem don't give any concrete results that is likely to largely backfire, and thus in that case he will probably win automatically.
4. His party is embracing early voting for 2024 since they finally did the math (they are voting for 3 weeks and we vote for 12 hours, of course they win swing states).

Etc.


So saying that the dude is done just isn't true. This is exactly why I suggested plenty of quality policy as one of the methods of playing. Since if you are going into empty street fight with him he will win almost surely. Because high tensions on personal basis is on what he feeds.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

So saying that the dude is done just isn't true.

But of course it will continue to happen because nobody learns anything, ever.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

When your enemy is making mistakes don't interrupt them.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

Trump posts on X for first time in over 2 years

Just as I said, the trials are going to be his campaign. What again means that basically all attention will be on him.

Trump raised $7.1 million after Georgia booking, mugshot

Evidently this is going to be the case.

 

[The Cat]

Sing little Stool Pigeon Sing of the joke sing of the fear sing for your ass and sing through the tears.​

 

[Totenkindly]

Conservative groups draw up plan to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump’s vision

With more than a year to go before the 2024 election, a constellation of conservative organizations is preparing for a possible second White House term for Donald Trump, recruiting thousands of Americans to come to Washington on a mission to dismantle the federal government and replace it with a...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Conservative groups draw up plan to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump’s vision

With more than a year to go before the 2024 election, a constellation of conservative organizations is preparing for a possible second White House term for Donald Trump, recruiting thousands of Americans to come to Washington on a mission to dismantle the federal government and replace it with a...

www.yahoo.com

Yup. I think a second term would be a lot worse than the first. He'd also be vengeful as hell and it would not be pretty to see that play out.

 

[Totenkindly]

Yup. I think a second term would be a lot worse than the first. He'd also be vengeful as hell and it would not be pretty to see that play out.

I've also got skin in the game -- I've been a fed gov employee since 2010.

there's a lot of impact if gov programs that have been around for decades can't function because they fire a lot of people. We already don't have the resources we need.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I've also got skin in the game -- I've been a fed gov employee since 2010.

there's a lot of impact if gov programs that have been around for decades can't function because they fire a lot of people. We already don't have the resources we need.

I know from experience today that dealing with a gutted post office is no fun to deal with.

Why do these people think it's so important to destroy things they and everyone else relies on? In the case of post office, stock in Fed Ex? But Fed Ex only delivers packages, not letters. They don't profit from a dysfunctional post office. It might perhaps be useful to switch a lot of government communications (which make up a large portion of mail worth a damn) to email, but that's not what was being proposed. The only thing proposed was "destroy the post office".

 

[The Cat]

I know from experience today that dealing with a gutted post office is no fun to deal with.

Why do these people think it's so important to destroy things they and everyone else relies on? In the case of post office, stock in Fed Ex? But Fed Ex only delivers packages, not letters. They don't profit from a dysfunctional post office. It might perhaps be useful to switch a lot of government communications (which make up a large portion of mail worth a damn) to email, but that's not what was being proposed. The only thing proposed was "destroy the post office".

 

[Kephalos]

Alberto Núñez Feijóo on why he deserves to lead Spain: The country needs a government with more ambition for reform, says the head of the opposition.

Worryingly, despite a reform effort after the European debt crisis, the Spanish economy has been stagnating for well over a decade. Spain’s per-person gdp today is the same as 15 years ago, compared with a 12% increase for the EU as a whole. As a result, the gap with the eu average, which had narrowed sharply in the 45 years before the crisis, has reopened since. Unemployment in Spain is still the highest in the eu and, at 12.7%, more than double the average across the bloc.

The present government has squandered these strengths. A coalition involving populists, communists and socialists, supported by several separatist parties, it has replaced growth strategies with populist spending. Between 2019 and 2022 Spain’s public-debt-to-gdp ratio increased by the most of any eu country despite increased taxation. That is why Spain urgently needs reforms.

I hope Mr. Núñez Feijóo manages to become Spanish Prime Minister, even if it is some months or years hence: he thouroughly deserves it even if in my humble opinion, the Spanish have proven to be unworthy of him.

 

[ceecee]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/01/texas-abortion-highways/

There is no question that this strain of conservatism in the US needs to be crushed into oblivion but the point is so people will not help each other and it won't end with people seeking abortion out of state.