The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

[Siúil a Rúin]

I wasn't suggesting that the riot wasn't dangerous. To me, it looks like a small group or network of highly coordinated leaders/main participants who had very clear goals and division of labor, surrounded by a mass of loud, uncoordinated supporters whose main goal was to cause trouble and stand out. The second was almost a cover for the first, a distraction behind which the more organized and competent elements could try to reach their goals. The "dumb crook" aspect of the second means that they are the ones getting rounded up based on real-time selfies, social media bragging, etc. while the most harmful elements may be able to remain under the radar, biding their time until they try something else.

You hit the nail on the head. Yes. Those who are really behind it got the result from me that they wanted - to think the rioters are inexperienced, uninformed, and just a generalized angry mob which I even compare to relatively innocent teenagers.

The reality is that a bunch of silly, angry coons could not have pulled off entering that building. The fact that they got inside, shows that there was an intelligent strategy behind it. The media has been using apparent stupidity for a while now for planned propaganda effects.

I don't have a sense of what is going to happen, what is being planned, or how to stay safe. There is so much smoke and mirrors. It is anxiety inducing.

 

[Coriolis]

I didn't see this post you must have posted while i was posting, I guess in my mind they don't seem to have an actual agenda, no one group claimed the action taken as their own and there is no manifesto (such as in the case of the uni bomber) . They are just not organized enough in my opinion.

Assume for a moment they are in fact a well-coordinated network of independent groups who have a very clear agenda. What might be their motives in not claiming responsibility for the Capitol riot, or publishing that agenda or manifesto? Perhaps to lull people into a false sense of security, based on a mistaken perception of their motivations and capabilities.

 

[Abcdenfp]

Assume for a moment they are in fact a well-coordinated network of independent groups who have a very clear agenda. What might be their motives in not claiming responsibility for the Capitol riot, or publishing that agenda or manifesto? Perhaps to lull people into a false sense of security, based on a mistaken perception of their motivations and capabilities.

Hmmm .. in that case the they are way more intelligent and organized then I have assumed ....but I have to say that if I was THAT organized and intelligent it would kill me to have the jackasses that the media captured be the spokes people or representation of my movement ... I will say though is what scares me is that if someone was determined , intelligent and organized I can see there is a niche of people who are ready to support a racist / bigoted version of Merica . We were ALL lucky that DT was who he was ...

 

[Ghost]

The reality is that a bunch of silly, angry coons could not have pulled off entering that building.

Um, what?

 

[ceecee]

which is why i don't call it domestic terrorism they weren't organized and they have no real agenda or message besides acting stupid . The response to their behavior was more disgust then terror

They were quite organized, with financing, transport and weaponry. This was not a protest that got out of hand.

Report: Publix heiress, Alex Jones paid for Jan. 6 Trump rally

How the Mercers Funded Election Unrest

Text Messages Show Top Trump Campaign Fundraiser’s Key Role Planning the Rally That Preceded the Siege — ProPublica


They were also backed by federal level GOP legislature. To me, this is what takes the crimes from "domestic terrorism" to conspiracy. By the GOP lawmakers and senators. Particularly ones that may have given logistical aid to conspirators which it looks like that may have occurred.

They had a political agenda and aims, which is the definition of terrorism. They aren't referred to as domestic terrorism because there is no federal domestic terror laws. There is a reluctance to label them that way because militia members for example, could end up being charged with being in a militia. Not for the actual felonies they committed. That's a problem that needs addressing.

But if anyone wonders what the GOP members should be charged with - that's easy.

Expulsion from the house or senate treat these departed colleagues seats "vacant" and strike their names from the Senate/House roll. For engaging in said conspiracy for the destruction of the Union and Government, or, with full knowledge of such conspiracy, have failed to advise the Government of its progress or aid in its suppression. That's how the Confederacy was treated back in 1861, that's how they should be treated right now.

The 14th Amendment section 3 makes it very clear and very simple. This isn't a resolution or act that can be argued up to SCOTUS. It's an amendment to the US Constitution.

 

[ceecee]

Right wing/anti-government militias themselves are also a problem. They have been for some time and because they have been and are being used as private "security" for wealthy Republican donors and GOP politicians, getting laws passed to deal with them minus the crimes is nearly impossible now.

“This Is War”: Inside the Secret Chat Where Far-Right Extremists Devised Their Post-Capitol Plans — ProPublica

U.S. secures indictment against Oath Keeper members over plot to storm U.S. Capitol | Reuters

Capitol riot used by extremists to recruit new pro-gun members

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Um, what?

It's a typo. Someone told me my misspelling has some negative connotation I still don't understand. So if you referring to that this is my long explanation that my phone dies autocorrect.

gawd that is demoralizing

 

[Jaguar]

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy | US news | The Guardian

I haven't decided what to make of this, yet. The shit is knee-deep with this guy no matter what decade I'm dealing with.

 

[Totenkindly]

Donald Trump's entire legal team quits week before impeachment trial: Sources

Trump wanted them to push election fraud as a defense; they wanted to focus on the illegality of impeaching someone no longer in office.

 

[Lark]

Donald Trump's entire legal team quits week before impeachment trial: Sources

Trump wanted them to push election fraud as a defense; they wanted to focus on the illegality of impeaching someone no longer in office.

I think Trump has been radicalized, its the only explanation for him to still be believing that at this stage. I'm not surprised they quit as that seems like the perfect defence they had there.

 

[ceecee]

Donald Trump's entire legal team quits week before impeachment trial: Sources

Trump wanted them to push election fraud as a defense; they wanted to focus on the illegality of impeaching someone no longer in office.

He can always represent himself. I'm sure he would be the best defense attorney in the history of defense attorneys.

 

[ceecee]

Inside Trump and Barr’s Last-Minute Killing Spree — ProPublica

Officials gave public explanations for their choice of which prisoners should die that misstated key facts from the cases. They moved ahead with executions in the middle of the night. They left one prisoner strapped to the gurney while lawyers worked to remove a court order. They executed a second prisoner while an appeal was still pending, leaving the court to then dismiss the appeal as “moot” because the man was already dead. They bought drugs from a secret pharmacy that failed a quality test. They hired private executioners and paid them in cash.

William Barr and this entire administration belong in the Hague.

If this story bothers you, there are many politicians that want to abolish the federal death penalty. You should vote for them and be vocal regarding abolition. Do not let anyone start - but do you know what they did??!! bullshit. The death penalty is immoral and the risk of another administration acting exactly the way the Trump administration did is likely - it's continued existence is a green light for any other wannabe genocidal autocrat.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

He can always represent himself. I'm sure he would be the best defense attorney in the history of defense attorneys.

Part of me is thinking "please let this happen." Because it would be hilarious. Right up until his enablers buy every mentally and emotionally challenged word of it, which will serve as an infuriating reminder that he never had to worry about being competent in the first place. It could help history record the extent to which he's a joke, though - even if we're not laughing about it in this lifetime.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Inside Trump and Barr’s Last-Minute Killing Spree — ProPublica



William Barr and this entire administration belong in the Hague.

If this story bothers you, there are many politicians that want to abolish the federal death penalty. You should vote for them and be vocal regarding abolition. Do not let anyone start - but do you know what they did??!! bullshit. The death penalty is immoral and the risk of another administration acting exactly the way the Trump administration did is likely - it's continued existence is a green light for any other wannabe genocidal autocrat.

Boring. The bad man is gone; norms are restored. Why act kooky by worrying about trifling issues?

Let's forget all our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry icec ream at brunch!

 

[ceecee]

Part of me is thinking "please let this happen." Because it would be hilarious. Right up until his enablers buy every mentally and emotionally challenged word of it, which will serve as an infuriating reminder that he never had to worry about being competent in the first place. It could help history record the extent to which he's a joke, though - even if we're not laughing about it in this lifetime.

I don't think it's because these lawyers were worried about fallout at all. Everyone deserves to be represented - even when a broke, sad, weak motherfucker. As far as I can see he isn't arguing what he did was unconstitutional or anything - but that it was justified.

 

[ceecee]

Trump Tries to Defund the Police on His Way Out - The American Prospect

Ask any pundit or centrist Democrat what hurt Democrats most in 2020 and they’ll tell you it was calls from far-left types to “defund the police.” Nobody in Congress or on the Biden campaign echoed it, but somehow this drove voters in droves away from Democrats, according to the theory.

Those voters might want to retreat back to the Democrats now, because, a week before he leaves office, Donald Trump has submitted a formal request to Congress to defund the police.

Specifically, he wants Congress to remove $244 million in state and local law enforcement assistance from a bill he signed just a couple of weeks ago.

In the same proposal, he’s trying to cut $4 billion from the U.S. contribution to an international effort to vaccinate the world against COVID-19.

lol

 

[Totenkindly]

Off the rails: Inside the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency - Axios

Wtf is this??

 

[Jaguar]

Off the rails: Inside the craziest meeting of the Trump presidency - Axios

Wtf is this??

It's hilarious reading but how was all of this obtained - is it explained somewhere on Axios?

Never mind, I found it all the way at the bottom.

 

[ceecee]

Parler Offered Trump Organization A Stake If He Joined

 

[Z Buck McFate]

NYT: Biden Bars Trump From Receiving Intelligence Briefings, Citing ‘Erratic Behavior’

President Biden said on Friday that he would bar his predecessor, Donald J. Trump, from receiving intelligence briefings traditionally given to former presidents, saying that Mr. Trump could not be trusted because of his “erratic behavior” even before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

The move was the first time that a former president had been cut out of the briefings, which are provided partly as a courtesy and partly for the moments when a sitting president reaches out for advice. Currently, the briefings are offered on a regular basis to Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

Mr. Biden, speaking to Norah O’Donnell of CBS News, said Mr. Trump’s behavior worried him “unrelated to the insurrection” that gave rise to the second impeachment of Mr. Trump.


“I just think that there is no need for him to have the intelligence briefings,” Mr. Biden said.

“What value is giving him an intelligence briefing?” Mr. Biden added. “What impact does he have at all, other than the fact he might slip and say something?”
​

I'm pretty sure I remember Schiff publicly saying this too, maybe a month or two back.