Trump followers invade the capitol

[Maou]

Is that tweet real or a meme, because that's hilarious.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I've read some of what he wrote and in many ways, in the abstract, I really like ideas of Jacksonian Democracy. Same as I like Jefferson's writings and his "yeoman's republic" but both are minarchy utopias which are pretty far removed from any reality. Certainly any modern one.

The kinds of active polity and ideas about self-government are things I think that really matter. Although I dont see any way that you can have that in the political sphere of life, particularly where that sphere is limited in scope by elections, career politicians, corporate or old money sponsored party machines. Its part of why I think economic democracy matters and could make good on the promises of political democracy.

Although, you are right about the trail of tears, Jackson and Jefferson both had some insane ideas about the indigenous peoples, really genocidal and there is little ambiguity about it.

A guy (Matt Christman) on a podcast I listen to frequently had interesting insights into Jacksonian democracy, and how all the land in the U.S. drove us nuts basically. Because people could just move westward to the frontier (aided by the policy of "Indian removal") people got the idea that they could live n a modern society without government, and even though the frontier was closed at the end of the 19th century / early 20th century, it kind of became part of the political consciousness.

Actually, now that I think about it, around the time the end of the frontier was reached was around the first time the U.S. really started flirting with interventionist foreign policy and imperialism (consider the Spanish American war). So this dumb idea of "American exceptionalism" as a justification for U.S. foreign policy is really just the continuation of Manifest Destiny.

 

[Lark]

A guy (Matt Christman) on a podcast I listen to frequently had interesting insights into Jacksonian democracy, and how all the land in the U.S. drove us nuts basically. Because people could just move westward to the frontier (aided by the policy of "Indian removal") people got the idea that they could live n a modern society without government, and even though the frontier was closed at the end of the 19th century / early 20th century, it kind of became part of the political consciousness.

Actually, now that I think about it, around the time the end of the frontier was reached was around the first time the U.S. really started flirting with interventionist foreign policy and imperialism (consider the Spanish American war). So this dumb idea of "American exceptionalism" as a justification for U.S. foreign policy is really just the continuation of Manifest Destiny.

There are some of the zanier elements on the radical anti-government fringe which are a fan of the whole Space Farce thing because they think of it as being all about a "new frontier" and consider that "frontier" spirit as the source of rugged (read delusional) individualism etc.

 

[Lark]

Was DiscoBiscuit at the Capitol?

Do you think he'd be up to that or do you think instead he'd be popping caps at the firing range dreaming about shooting people on the forum he doesnt like?

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

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[Doctor Cringelord]

Do you think he'd be up to that or do you think instead he'd be popping caps at the firing range dreaming about shooting people on the forum he doesnt like?

I think he was at a disco club in Miami crying in n the bathroom because of the pain of living a lie.

 

[Indigo Rodent]

I blame New Age and conspiracy theory industries normalising being psychotic and turning it into just another opinion. Most of these people should probably have been institutionalised and have received treatment they need long time ago. One day you have people talking about directing universe with their minds with The Secret and it being treated as completely normal or maybe "bad" and "privileged" and not completely insane and another you have hordes of psychotic people invading the capitol because of their delusions.

 

[ceecee]

The Spanish Civil War was caused by fascists rising up against a democratically elected government because the left had come back into power and were undoing the damage done by the outgoing right-wing administration. Those fascists weren't prosecuted at the end of the dictatorship and now their children are back in the government keeping the ideology alive in Spain.

The reason I mention this is because the 1920's and 1930's are rarely studied/discussed by Americans. Little of the 20th century prior to WWII is and for a long time I wondered why that is. It's the same reason most people have no grasp of what fascism is, what causes it or what it looks like right in front of their face. They've never had an example until recently and the US government made sure of it. Now they do. For the ones still claiming- it has no impact on me so I don't care - that's much of what caused Trump and Wednesday's events.

 

[ceecee]

And if you still need examples of what happens when a group is not prosecuted for threats they make..

Tell me why these people are free to discuss blowing up cooperate buildings that will result in killing people because someone told them to get the fuck out of here, with zero accountability?

 

[ceecee]

Of course...

Months ahead of Capitol riot, DHS threat assessment group was gutted: Officials - ABC News

Abolish DHS entirely.

 

[Virtual ghost]

So in the bottom line Captain America is correct/actual timeline? Who would have guessed.

 

[Lark]

And if you still need examples of what happens when a group is not prosecuted for threats they make..

Tell me why these people are free to discuss blowing up cooperate buildings that will result in killing people because someone told them to get the fuck out of here, with zero accountability?

Yup, looks like zero accountability and absolutely zero sense.

Blow up tech centres and you dont simply deny them to your opponents you deny them to yourselves too, this is why a smart movement gave up on so called armed struggle as a self-defeating waste of time in the nineties at the very latest. Maybe that news travels really slow in the right wing community or maybe that community is itself just really slow, I dont know.

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So in the bottom line Captain America is correct/actual timeline? Who would have guessed.

Hail Hydra.

 

[ceecee]

Yup, looks like zero accountability and absolutely zero sense.

Blow up tech centres and you dont simply deny them to your opponents you deny them to yourselves too, this is why a smart movement gave up on so called armed struggle as a self-defeating waste of time in the nineties at the very latest. Maybe that news travels really slow in the right wing community or maybe that community is itself just really slow, I dont know.

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Hail Hydra.

They've all watched Fight Club but never read the book.

The only people being arrested are the idiot minions. Why aren't their financers and ringleaders in custody as well? Dan Bongino has another platform - Fox News.

 

[Lark]

They've all watched Fight Club but never read the book.

The only people being arrested are the idiot minions. Why aren't their financers and ringleaders in custody as well? Dan Bongino has another platform - Fox News.

Yeah, they never follow the money.

To be honest I think that people should not be able to profit from peddling bullshit media anymore than they should be able to profit from selling honest to God real snake oil medicines or counterfeit medicines.

Most of this is taking off is because its becoming monetized and there's profits to be made from it. I actually suspect that a lot of the people pushing the messages these days are probably smarter than the people consuming them and may not actually drink the Kool Aid themselves, just consider it good for others to do so.

 

[The Cat]

They've all watched Fight Club but never read the book.

The only people being arrested are the idiot minions. Why aren't their financers and ringleaders in custody as well? Dan Bongino has another platform - Fox News.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, it's a haunting allegory.

 

[Totenkindly]

 

[Maou]

I blame New Age and conspiracy theory industries normalising being psychotic and turning it into just another opinion. Most of these people should probably have been institutionalized and have received treatment they need long time ago. One day you have people talking about directing universe with their minds with The Secret and it being treated as completely normal or maybe "bad" and "privileged" and not completely insane and another you have hordes of psychotic people invading the capitol because of their delusions.

How do you determine if someone is suffering from mental illness, just because they believe something you do not? What if they are perfectly mentally fit? Treating perfectly normal people as if they are insane, is both demonizing and cruel.

Also, we all know how "institutions" turned out in USA. What happened to erasing stigma surrounding mental illness? Where is your empathy? These people are not monsters that need to be caged up. Even if you disagree with them, treating them like unintelligent animals says more about you than anything else. There isn't 74 million people suffering from psychosis in the USA.

Just because something is a conspiracy, doesn't mean it possess no truth. That is why critical thinking is important, and being open minded. I don't get how people can praise open mindedness, but then scream conspiracy theorist when someone thinks outside of the media narrative. The media honestly only cares about money, and spin the stories that caters to them making more money. It is basic capitalism. If you can understand this aspect of the media, how can you deny the fact that the truth can be "outside of the narrative"?

 

[Jaguar]

Colin Powell says he’s no longer a Republican | McClatchy Washington Bureau

My man, aren't you a bit late on this decision?

 

[ceecee]

Nah, none of them are suffering from a mental illness. Just differing political beliefs....

One Trump Fan’s Descent Into the U.S. Capitol Mob - WSJ

“I’m not going to go open a court case saying [Ms. Clinton] eats children,” Mr. Sweet says. “But I can believe that she might eat children.”