Trump followers invade the capitol

[ceecee]

So once Trump is no longer in office, the plan seems to be him becoming the leader of a revanchist movement seeking to topple the government. Restoration if you will and returning Trump to the White House through violence. Then the GOP, under the banner of Biden’s supposed illegitimacy, takes extraordinary steps to deny him the prerogatives of governance. I think it’s safe to say we’ve seen the opening curtains for a sustained constitutional crisis.

And someone actually told me, to my face, to stop being mean to conservatives and Republicans. Before Wednesday anyway.

 

[Virtual ghost]

So once Trump is no longer in office, the plan seems to be him becoming the leader of a revanchist movement seeking to topple the government. Restoration if you will and returning Trump to the White House through violence. Then the GOP, under the banner of Biden’s supposed illegitimacy, takes extraordinary steps to deny him the prerogatives of governance. I think it’s safe to say we’ve seen the opening curtains for a sustained constitutional crisis.

Yeah, that is kinda what I was picturing most of the time. The only real question is how much violence they had in mind. Which is why Georgia is such a blessing, since it allows bypassing them in governing.

 

[ceecee]

He may not have been but I'm 100% sure there were plenty of off duty cops and military.

Oh....

An Air Force Combat Veteran Breached the Senate and Descended on Nancy Pelosi’s Office Suite | The New Yorker

Carrying zip-tie handcuffs, he was captured in photographs and videos on the Senate floor and with a group that descended on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office suite. In a video shot by ITV News, he is seen standing against a wall adjacent to Pelosi’s office, his face covered by a bandana. At another point, he appears to exit the suite, face exposed, pushing his way through the crowds of demonstrators.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You know, is this type of thing not without precedent in the USA's history?

There was some other president who invited his supporters to the Whitehouse's lawn or something for a party and they all got drunk and engaged in a lot of mayhem and invaded the Whitehouse? I think the president himself, who might have had some sort of zany nickname like "old hickory", had to join in driving the invaders away with a big stick.

I'm trying to remember how I know this story, I wish I could recall the name of the president, maybe "mckinley" but I could be wrong about that. It was a story which may be associated with anti-irish racism, gangs of new york style "history", or sort of early anti-democratic thinking about "plebs" or "proles" wrecking things.

So, I wanted to mention that, I also wanted to ask whether or not anyone thinks that the social institutions of a society are not more than their location, buildings, symbolic structures anyway? Its like those memes you used to see with the wee guy in a blazer being asked where places were and showing the first two on a map and then when asked were the third was they would indicate it was in their heart. Or even Mr Miyagi says that karate is in the mind or heart but not the belt someone is wearing.

That was Andrew Jackson. He was a massive prick (see Trail of Tears), and naturally a huge idol of Donald.

 

[The Cat]

You know, is this type of thing not without precedent in the USA's history?

There was some other president who invited his supporters to the Whitehouse's lawn or something for a party and they all got drunk and engaged in a lot of mayhem and invaded the Whitehouse? I think the president himself, who might have had some sort of zany nickname like "old hickory", had to join in driving the invaders away with a big stick.

I'm trying to remember how I know this story, I wish I could recall the name of the president, maybe "mckinley" but I could be wrong about that. It was a story which may be associated with anti-irish racism, gangs of new york style "history", or sort of early anti-democratic thinking about "plebs" or "proles" wrecking things.

So, I wanted to mention that, I also wanted to ask whether or not anyone thinks that the social institutions of a society are not more than their location, buildings, symbolic structures anyway? Its like those memes you used to see with the wee guy in a blazer being asked where places were and showing the first two on a map and then when asked were the third was they would indicate it was in their heart. Or even Mr Miyagi says that karate is in the mind or heart but not the belt someone is wearing.

That was Andrew Jackson.

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That was Andrew Jackson. He was a massive prick (see Trail of Tears), and naturally a huge idol of Donald.

He was a prick.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

Matt Gaetz would argue it wasn't really him the night he was booked for drunk driving, it was someone pretending to be him.

 

[The Cat]

Matt Gaetz would argue it wasn't really him the night he was booked for drunk driving, it was someone pretending to be him.

probably antifa...

 

[Lark]

So once Trump is no longer in office, the plan seems to be him becoming the leader of a revanchist movement seeking to topple the government. Restoration if you will and returning Trump to the White House through violence. Then the GOP, under the banner of Biden’s supposed illegitimacy, takes extraordinary steps to deny him the prerogatives of governance. I think it’s safe to say we’ve seen the opening curtains for a sustained constitutional crisis.

And someone actually told me, to my face, to stop being mean to conservatives and Republicans. Before Wednesday anyway.

what's a revanchist?

The crazy thing about all this is the guy responsible for the racist WAR website, white aryan resistance, was on Thoreau's weird weekends and talked up how he didnt care if he didnt reach the majority of people or appeal to them so long as he was able to tap into VIPs and at the time I remember thinking I bet its some pseudo-celeb he has on the fishing line.

I dont think its any coincidence that the BBC reran this episode after Trump was elected. They sometimes will tell it like it is but out of the side of their mouth.

Same thing happened when they covered the USSR's use of silver iodine cloud seeding to deal with the radioactive cloud after Chernobyl at a time when there were unheard of and inexplicable rain falls and flooding in the UK.

I also think its possible, even likely, that if there had been any electoral fraud, even if it where with the appearance of favouring democrats, it could very easily have been carried out by Trump supporters to stoke his belief in conspiracy theory. Like I wonder if he'll ever stop to think whose useful idiot he is and who is pulling his strings.

The whole "refusing to leave office" threat was something I knew plenty of right wing watch groups and websites to talk up something awful at the time of the Obama administration, they all were buying weapons and ammunition for that supposed eventuality, which I thought was so, so far removed from reality, although here it is, its the action of their supposed "guy" and they're conspicuously really, really quiet about it.

 

[ceecee]

Trump had a Pinterest?

 

[ceecee]

what's a revanchist?

The crazy thing about all this is the guy responsible for the racist WAR website, white aryan resistance, was on Thoreau's weird weekends and talked up how he didnt care if he didnt reach the majority of people or appeal to them so long as he was able to tap into VIPs and at the time I remember thinking I bet its some pseudo-celeb he has on the fishing line.

I dont think its any coincidence that the BBC reran this episode after Trump was elected. They sometimes will tell it like it is but out of the side of their mouth.

Same thing happened when they covered the USSR's use of silver iodine cloud seeding to deal with the radioactive cloud after Chernobyl at a time when there were unheard of and inexplicable rain falls and flooding in the UK.

I also think its possible, even likely, that if there had been any electoral fraud, even if it where with the appearance of favouring democrats, it could very easily have been carried out by Trump supporters to stoke his belief in conspiracy theory. Like I wonder if he'll ever stop to think whose useful idiot he is and who is pulling his strings.

The whole "refusing to leave office" threat was something I knew plenty of right wing watch groups and websites to talk up something awful at the time of the Obama administration, they all were buying weapons and ammunition for that supposed eventuality, which I thought was so, so far removed from reality, although here it is, its the action of their supposed "guy" and they're conspicuously really, really quiet about it.

Revanchism - Wikipedia

the political manifestation of the will to reverse territorial losses incurred by a country, often following a war or social movement. As a term, revanchism originated in 1870s France in the aftermath of the Franco-Prussian War among nationalists who wanted to avenge the French defeat and reclaim the lost territories of Alsace-Lorraine.[1]

Revanchism draws its strength from patriotic and retributionist thought and is often motivated by economic or geopolitical factors. Extreme revanchist ideologues often represent a hawkish stance, suggesting that their desired objectives can be achieved through the positive outcome of another war. It is linked with irredentism, the conception that a part of the cultural and ethnic nation remains "unredeemed" outside the borders of its appropriate nation-state.[2]

Revanchist politics often rely on the identification of a nation with a nation state, often mobilizing deep-rooted sentiments of ethnic nationalism, claiming territories outside the state where members of the ethnic group live, while using heavy-handed nationalism to mobilize support for these aims. Revanchist justifications are often presented as based on ancient or even autochthonous occupation of a territory since "time immemorial", an assertion that is usually inextricably involved in revanchism and irredentism and justifies them in the eyes of their proponents.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Trump had a Pinterest?

I have a Pinterest. Mostly I use it for viewing fan/concept art. People who imagine new Star Wars spaceships, that kind of thing. ALso there's some science/history type stuff, like infographics about how to identify trees by leaves.

 

[Lark]

That was Andrew Jackson. He was a massive prick (see Trail of Tears), and naturally a huge idol of Donald.

I've read some of what he wrote and in many ways, in the abstract, I really like ideas of Jacksonian Democracy. Same as I like Jefferson's writings and his "yeoman's republic" but both are minarchy utopias which are pretty far removed from any reality. Certainly any modern one.

The kinds of active polity and ideas about self-government are things I think that really matter. Although I dont see any way that you can have that in the political sphere of life, particularly where that sphere is limited in scope by elections, career politicians, corporate or old money sponsored party machines. Its part of why I think economic democracy matters and could make good on the promises of political democracy.

Although, you are right about the trail of tears, Jackson and Jefferson both had some insane ideas about the indigenous peoples, really genocidal and there is little ambiguity about it.

 

[Lark]

probably antifa...

I so prepared for this style of narrative to become more and more commonplace.

Its just the "red scare" or "red menace" reinvented for today but its concerning that anyone would have as much a problem with resisting fascism as they could the sort of totalitarianism which frequently was involved with communists in the US.

 

[ceecee]

I have a Pinterest. Mostly I use it for viewing fan/concept art. People who imagine new Star Wars spaceships, that kind of thing. ALso there's some science/history type stuff, like infographics about how to identify trees by leaves.

I also have a Pinterest. It's full of recipes, crafty stuff and interior decorating.

 

[Lark]

I have a Pinterest. Mostly I use it for viewing fan/concept art. People who imagine new Star Wars spaceships, that kind of thing. ALso there's some science/history type stuff, like infographics about how to identify trees by leaves.

On the BBC they repeatedly are broadcasting that Trump is considering creating his own social media platform like facebook.

 

[ceecee]

On the BBC they repeatedly are broadcasting that Trump is considering creating his own social media platform like facebook.

Trump TV and anything connected to it has been in the works for some time. One, I don't think he can possibly fund it and will have big problems financing it or finding investors at this point. Two, they already have Parler, Gab, MeWe and numerous other sites.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Trump TV and anything connected to it has been in the works for some time. One, I don't think he can possibly fund it and will have big problems financing it or finding investors at this point. Two, they already have Parler, MeWe and numerous other sites.

Here you can make a decent TV station with a 1 million $, therefore with a few million you can make a decent start. Plus he has 70+ million people who voted for him, therefore he probably has more than enough that he doesn't need any kind of investors. Plus red state industries would place advertisements there. Therefore this would probably be a stronger brand than anything you have named. In a way the biggest problem in the whole mix was presidency and potential conflict of interest.

 

[ceecee]

Here you can make a decent TV station with a 1 million $, therefore with a few million you can make a decent start. Plus he has 70+ million people who voted for him, therefore he probably has more than enough that he doesn't need any kind of investors. Plus red state industries would place advertisements there. Therefore this would probably be a stronger brand than anything you have named. In a way the biggest problem in the whole mix was presidency and potential conflict of interest.

There is some new legislation that may stop some of this.

Piercing the Corporate Shell: New Legislation Will Force Anonymous Shell Companies to Disclose Their True Owners | Arent Fox - JDSupra

 

[Jaguar]

Was DiscoBiscuit at the Capitol?