Trump's Got The Pleurisy

[FemMecha]

This is the current info...
Not sure if the dexamethasone reference is for extra precaution or suggestive of a more severe case as described below.

Covid-19: Live Trump Health Updates and Global News - The New York Times

Dr. Conley said that the president had been given the steroid dexamethasone on Saturday, in addition to remdesivir, an antiviral drug. Dexamethasone has been shown to help patients who are severely ill with Covid-19, but it is typically not used in mild or moderate cases of the disease.

 

[Jaguar]

For all the corporate media, not just FOX. I don't expect right wing media to ever live up to journalist standards since they never have but this is the reason people hate the liberal media. For joining in on this shit and not reporting anything important. Trump is only out pulling this stupid shit because they will report it. This is simply another campaign stop for him.

Trump has been doing crazy shit for decades with no cameras rolling. All he needs is a telephone to pretend he is John Miller or John Barron.

 

[FemMecha]

IDK That motorcade stunt is what you would do if being interviewed on camera makes you look bad but you want to give an impression you are in decent health.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I'm not so sure it's sinking, for good or for ill. I mean we will find out in a month or two for sure, so it doesn't really need to be debated. It's very possible I've finally lost touch with the macro zeitgeist, but something tells me a repeat of 2016- despite everything we are being told, that I don't trust for a second- is on the way, only worse.

It's definitely the Trump stigma they are trying to avoid, and the left has always been the party of education and science, so for people that value such things strongly- as well as valuing their own images- Trump presents a great excuse to segue into that self revering demographic. The problem is that they don't realize the 21st century left is not the 20th century left they remember, and rather than being the party of science and education it's now more or less an exclusionary hate group pretending to be an anti-exclusionary anti-hate group, packed full of good people who understandably want to be on the side of "good," walling themselves off from traditionally liberal ideological demographics like free speech, individual rights, and equality of opportunity. These demographics are now sliding to the right, having been ostracized, while the left grows through authoritarian pressure and media/academic/social manipulation.

Despite claims that it's Trump who is lying to and manipulating people to his cause, the fact that people who like freedom of speech and freedom of thought gravitate towards him rebukes that idea entirely. I think he has more support now than he did in 2016, which is why I don't understand why polls have him trailing.

Yes, it breaks my heart the left has started to resemble the right of the 90s. I am old enough to remember those clowns trying to censor everything. EVERYTHING triggered those religious right types. Blatant disregard for scientific evidence, reason, individuality.

These are very dark times. Evil is everywhere...

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I'm sure he gave tons of thought to the lives of the Secret Service agents in that bulletproof, sealed up like a drum truck too.

An angry doctor from Walter Reed has been tweeting about it.

I haven't heard word of Trump tweeting about how this guy's career is failing or calling for his resignation, so I guess he's not doing too well.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Succinctly stated:

The moral of the story is, he lied to you for months and encouraged you to live wrecklessly during a pandemic, and when it got to him he received every top tier treatment and medication to ensure his survival while your friends and family died alone. Remember that on Nov 3rd.

- @Travon
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[Lexicon]

Mary Trump Says Trump Family Saw Illness As 'Unforgivable Weakness' : Live Updates: Trump Tests Positive For Coronavirus : NPR

 

[Red Memories]

You know I agree Trump wouldn't show the level of human decency we'd want in this, but that doesn't make it okay to stoop to his level and be garbage yourself. How do you claim to be better than the enemy if you partake in the behavior of what you despise? It looks more like you've said if you can't beat them you will join them. Joining them doesn't fix anything.

I wouldn't wish the suffering of covid on anyone. I get angry at people my age not taking any precautions whatsoever but not everyone is wise, smart, or decent. But being as hateful, inconsiderate, and cruel as they are will get me no where. It is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to suffer.

If nothing else you take from Biden or this situation, take Biden's decency. You don't have to like him, vote for him, suggest he is now suddenly a good person. But it isn't hard to have the empathy to go god, this is a hard thing and I hope he's okay.

That's honestly all I have to add to this sorta discussion.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You know I agree Trump wouldn't show the level of human decency we'd want in this, but that doesn't make it okay to stoop to his level and be garbage yourself. How do you claim to be better than the enemy if you partake in the behavior of what you despise? It looks more like you've said if you can't beat them you will join them. Joining them doesn't fix anything.

I wouldn't wish the suffering of covid on anyone. I get angry at people my age not taking any precautions whatsoever but not everyone is wise, smart, or decent. But being as hateful, inconsiderate, and cruel as they are will get me no where. It is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to suffer.

If nothing else you take from Biden or this situation, take Biden's decency. You don't have to like him, vote for him, suggest he is now suddenly a good person. But it isn't hard to have the empathy to go god, this is a hard thing and I hope he's okay.

That's honestly all I have to add to this sorta discussion.

I don't have any empathy for him. Not after the way he's talked about the virus in the part of the country that didn't vote for him. Perhaps what you describe might be ideal, but it is not the reality of how I feel about this. It doesn't feel right to talk about my feelings about the whole thing at length, but it also doesn't feel right to misrepresent what is in my heart.

Normally I'm not a fan of people going after him for silly things like typos, but the way he's handled the virus... that's on an entirely different level. He can and should be criticized for that. He could have saved a lot of lives if he had encouraged mask wearing. His supporters probably would have listened to him.

 

[Jaguar]

Adolf, Adolf, dear Adolf. I want to be a good person. I know 6 million Jews perished because you were a fucking lunatic but do not leave me! I forgive you!

Give me a break, man.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Adolf, Adolf, dear Adolf. I want to be a good person. I know 6 million Jews perished because you were a fucking lunatic but do not leave me! I forgive you!

Give me a break, man.

Uh oh.... somebody put some Te in here.

 

[Red Memories]

there was a big quote here that was ignored that say you do not have to like him or hold him accountable but take this with decency. It said nothing about forgiving him, or being fine with who or what he is. Don't warp it into something else.

 

[Totenkindly]

Maybe it would be more useful to explain how to show decency towards someone you think has acted reprehensibly and treated many many others indecently for his entire life (and would no doubt be abusing and ridiculing his opponents if the tables were flipped), and what the point of that would be. [Serious question. What does it look like, actually? Because I think it's a difficult thing to quantify.]

There's a reason, after all, why there are memes going around about being gaslighted to show concern for and feel shame about one's feelings towards a known abuser.

 

[Red Memories]

I don't have any empathy for him. Not after the way he's talked about the virus in the part of the country that didn't vote for him. Perhaps what you describe might be ideal, but it is not the reality of how I feel about this. It doesn't feel right to talk about my feelings about the whole thing at length, but it also doesn't feel right to misrepresent what is in my heart.

Normally I'm not a fan of people going after him for silly things like typos, but the way he's handled the virus... that's on an entirely different level. He can and should be criticized for that. He could have saved a lot of lives if he had encouraged mask wearing. His supporters probably would have listened to him.

I do feel he should have encouraged his supporters to sincerely follow protocols more. I realize there's not a lot of respect or care given to those who struggle to wear a mask for mental/physical health reasons but those should be the only reasons you're not trying to wear a mask.

I live in a very "trump" state, I mean on my street there's at least 3 trump 2020 flags around. I am surprised by the amount of people who wear the masks anyway. Many of them even wear their trump 2020 masks.

At the same time, I feel like you get ignorant people like my older brother, who thinks the masks actually keeps him from really getting covid and he ignores a lot of other requirements, like not going to fuck off with his friends all the time. Hey I got a mask. it doesn't help if you don't stay 6 feet away. I see many people in masks who ignore the social distancing which frustrates me because I don't wanna be rude and go like "you have the mask on, did you read the other protocols? One of them was not to be right next to my damn face in a grocery store."

Sadly, with these militias as well, I think the reality is the point they are there is to protest control. And I don't really think Trump telling them to wear the masks would actually stop them. Why? let me tell you about Bundy and Idaho.

We've had a lot of coverage of Bundy invading our health meetings, even getting arrested, protesting masks. He and his other group up north suggested our very republican governor Brad Little is sleeping with China and the democrats because he actually was allowing these protocols to happen, still has not fully reopened the state, and recommended wearing a mask. I frankly think they're gonna protest no matter what. They'll say anyone who tells them to isn't who they thought they were and everyone should be against them.

Could Trump have said more? Yes. He could've made mandates. I wish he had because it has left these stores to try and enforce it and they often...don't consider other things. A government mandate could! I wish more was done. But I don't wish Trump a covid death. I don't know in the end if his words would do anything either. We can only speculate. But from my living here amongst them I'm leaning toward no, they do whatever the fuck they want and don't want.

 

[Red Memories]

Maybe it would be more useful to explain how to show decency towards someone you think has acted reprehensibly and treated many many others indecently for his entire life (and would no doubt be abusing and ridiculing his opponents if the tables were flipped), and what the point of that would be. [Serious question. What does it look like, actually? Because I think it's a difficult thing to quantify.]

There's a reason, after all, why there are memes going around about being gaslighted to show concern for and feel shame about one's feelings towards a known abuser.

You do not have to actively show "concern" per say...I mentioned decency.

It is obvious Biden is no Trump fan. But he pulls his negative ads and doesn't taunt him. He isn't going I told you so, or suggesting he deserved to get covid and possibly die of it. I saw another person merely state "I wouldn't wish covid on my worst enemy. I hope you get well." This doesn't suggest they like him, but it does show some empathy that covid is a very bad situation.

I do not think "decency" necessarily means no longer discussing what issues you have with Trump. Those existed before, during, and will after his covid. But the "haha take that bitch" stuff really doesn't look good on anyone. It doesn't make you...stronger...it shows he takes up too much rent in your mind.

I do understand the "abuse" aspect as well. I could make a different discussion on that. I do have some pity for Melania...I mean she is married to a narcissist. Do we really know how good or bad she is based on that? I know I know *cue the tapes* whatever, she's brainwashed and pushed into whatever the hell the Trump family is.

Sometimes the best way to have this decency when necessary? Don't focus on them. Just lump them into a whole of another group which...does warrant decency. Trump is now a covid patient. Don't think of "Trump", think of all the covid patients struggling and have empathy for that. I realize he would hate just being "another face" but hey, think of it that way, you've reduced him to being an everybody else. XD

I'm not sure I can directly say a right or wrong way to go about it. But I just grow wary of anyone who starts being "haha i told you so." It is petty. It is immature. It doesn't help you. It doesn't make you a better person. It only makes you spiteful.

 

[ceecee]

I do understand the "abuse" aspect as well. I could make a different discussion on that. I do have some pity for Melania...I mean she is married to a narcissist. Do we really know how good or bad she is based on that? I know I know *cue the tapes* whatever, she's brainwashed and pushed into whatever the hell the Trump family is.

I do not understand this pity. She is a garbage human just like he is. She is a birther and pushed that lie just like he did. She is no victim, I have no idea why people treat her like she is. She wants the power and status with none of the work most first ladies put in - including Republican ones of the past such as Laura Bush, and including Hilary Clinton who I got to see up close as first lady. Just like Trump wants power and money with zero work.

Trump is getting no decency and no pity from me until he shows some to Americans who are not white nationalists, CEO's or neo-Nazi fucks. Let me know when that happens.

 

[FemMecha]

Maybe it would be more useful to explain how to show decency towards someone you think has acted reprehensibly and treated many many others indecently for his entire life (and would no doubt be abusing and ridiculing his opponents if the tables were flipped), and what the point of that would be. [Serious question. What does it look like, actually? Because I think it's a difficult thing to quantify.]

There's a reason, after all, why there are memes going around about being gaslighted to show concern for and feel shame about one's feelings towards a known abuser.

There are two ways I interpret this question of how do I act decently about Trump getting Covid-19. Firstly, I have made a decision to say very little, to mostly be quiet because I don't think it is constructive to say something negative because it could be misunderstood. I would also stay quiet if this happened to any political tyrant. The second thing I do is to not judge a wide range of reactions. I respect people who defend showing overt kindnesses and support as well as people who feel the world would be safer if he is gone.

I've read a lot about Trump and he isn't just a jerky guy. He is far more dangerous than that, but going into the details of my understanding of him would mostly lead towards a misunderstanding. His flippancy about Covid-19 has resulted in a higher death rate in the U.S. That is a fact. His treatment of families at the border has created a human rights violation and has provided the established sex trafficking trade to have an area to focus their efforts. He has a long history of being close friends and sharing parties with the former and current KingPin of that organized crime industry in the U.S. Maybe he is innocent even though his political decision provided so much fodder for them. Maybe he is innocent even though he has had accusations. Okay, maybe.

The way I approach this scenario is seriously and quietly. I'm actually experiencing an uncharacteristically high level of anxiety over it because everything involved is so serious. I approach it by staying quiet and trying to exert the least amount of judgment towards the population for their varied responses. We generally all want the world to be safe. We generally all want the world to be kinder, so I'm trying to find solidarity in that.

Edit: I'm saying stuff here because I'm partially anonymous. I'm not saying anything on social media. That's what I mean about staying quiet about it.

 

[Red Memories]

I do not understand this pity. She is a garbage human just like he is. She is a birther and pushed that lie just like he did. She is no victim, I have no idea why people treat her like she is. She wants the power and status with none of the work most first ladies put in - including Republican ones of the past such as Laura Bush, and including Hilary Clinton who I got to see up close as first lady. Just like Trump wants power and money with zero work.

Trump is getting no decency and no pity from me until he shows some to Americans who are not white nationalists, CEO's or neo-Nazi fucks. Let me know when that happens.

But if in fact Trump is as horrid and narcissistic as we believe - what hell would Melania endure if she went against any of his words in the first place? Perhaps I just question considering my own emotional abuse and realizing how much that took away from me being me as a person and individual. I had to be whatever my abuser wanted or needed me to be and if I objected came the emotional abuse. She never really looks genuinely happy. There's always been rumors since they started of her being unhappy. And the only way to converse with someone like that is to do it their ways and what they want. And of course it is easy to tell them to leave but it is harder to break the chains that exist in their minds.

But what's that going to change? Is that going to make things better? How does doing this make someone better or stronger in the first place? Are we surviving his abuse or are we being baited into another situation of throwing bricks only to find we just bruised our knuckles?

The big solution, obviously, go vote. Local level and presidential level. If he loses, he has to face it anyway. His four years were as big of a failure as those presidents he accused of failing. Not that his narcissistic mind will ever accept it. It does nothing to point fingers like a child and go "haha, look who has covid."

 

[The Cat]

 

[Totenkindly]

I don't feel any pity for Melania. Early on, before she was in the news much, the ambiguity allowed people to layer in potential assumptions about her character; but frankly at this point, she's thrown in her lot with her husband by what she has (and more importantly has not) done. She chose to marry him, full well knowing what he was (she was his third wife, he'd cheated on past wives, etc -- she knew she was just another link in that chain), and she bartered whatever influence she had over his behavior to maintain her own money and power over the years, so... what else is there to say?

I would not view her as a prisoner. The more we find out, surprise -- she shares views similar to her husband's. She married him, after all, and viewed it as a way out of her own unimportance and lack of resources. He was a tool to her ends as much as she is a tool of his. And what has she accomplished in her role? Nothing. Again, not even a partisan thing -- look at first ladies of any party and see them actually promoting tangible causes. Meanwhile, the most we got out of her was "Be Best" or whatever the hell that means, considering the few social media splashes she makes are directly undermined by her husband's behavior, which she publicly won't comment on and seems to blame others for.

But it doesn't much matter anyway, in terms of resolving the country's ills. She's just a bystander. Whatever.