Random Politics Thread

[Lark]

I wonder how many Americans would legit be willing to betray their country for Donald Trump and exactly why?

 

[The Cat]

I wonder how many Americans would legit be willing to betray their country for Donald Trump and exactly why?

More than one would hope it seems...

 

[Lexicon]

More than one would hope it seems...

Well hey, at least the couple at 1:03 are moving to Panama if Trump loses. Getting ‘mother from Requiem For A Dream’ vibes from that lady. Good riddance.

 

[The Cat]

Well hey, at least the couple at 1:03 are moving to Panama if Trump loses. Getting ‘mother from Requiem For A Dream’ vibes from that lady. Good riddance.

pretty sure beardly mccaphat outed his grand parents as nazis too. he could have been "joking" too that eyebrow pump

 

[Lark]

Well hey, at least the couple at 1:03 are moving to Panama if Trump loses. Getting ‘mother from Requiem For A Dream’ vibes from that lady. Good riddance.

Will they though?

Most of the people who talk that way are far from the foot loose and fancy free globe trotting richy riches they think they are.

They're always threatening to make an exit and yet there they are day after day complaining, sabotaging whatever efforts at change anyone else is making, no clear idea of what they do want other than spoiling and trolling and having a chip on both shoulders.

 

[Lark]

More than one would hope it seems...

I dont exactly get why though, what is the crisis which would make betraying democracy make sense?

The US has surely been threatened with a lot worse than anything that's going on at the moment and it never before thought about abandoning its founding principles.

 

[Tellenbach]

It's time for your red pill.

Don't you just love it when good people finally poke their heads through the bubble of leftist alt-reality and become truly woke?

 

[The Cat]

I dont exactly get why though, what is the crisis which would make betraying democracy make sense?

The US has surely been threatened with a lot worse than anything that's going on at the moment and it never before thought about abandoning its founding principles.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Red Herring]

The video above refutes the claim that this quote came from Hitler:



This guy claims the quote came from Gregor Strasser but then I found this:

Who said this?



I'm not sure why we even have to go that far. As Crowder pointed out, Nazis are National Socialists.

They called themselves NATIONAL socialists. East Germany was called the German Democratic Republic, that doesn't mean it was democratic. It's a bit naive to go by selfgiven names and ignore historical context.

The NSDAP did appeal to workers and made some claims that still appeal to the disenfrenchised today. Look up "Querfront" if you are not familiar with the concept.

But who were their main opponents? Whom did they hate most? Liberal leftist intellectuals, bonus points if they were Jewish. Who fought them from day one, both peacefully and in street battles? The left - social democrats and communists. Who cooperated with them? The right. Who was the first to end up as prisoners in concentration camps? Communists. Who defends them to this day? The far right.
That should give you a clue.

There are elements of Nazi Germany that can be found in many totalitarian regimes (personality cult, oppression of dissent, etc) and have to do with form. And then there is content. The ideology which is implemented through this form. That ideology, fascism, is a combination of anti-liberal, anti-modern impulses and a certain "aesthetics", a cluster of value judgements: a cult of strength, a cult of masculinity, a cult of death, disregard for what is considered weak, feminine, bookish. A sense of "the people" as a uniform quasi sacred massive block opposite an evil elite. A strong emphasis on natural differences, inequality and a hierarchy derived therefrom. Dissent is treason, eggheads are not to be trusted as they are too removed from the true people, the salt of the earth. A disregard, disdain for democratic intitutions and conventions as weak and ineffective.
THAT is the essence of fascism.

For fuck's sake, I am German and frustrated this post is even necessary. I think few people outside the American (far) right even try to pin the nazis as socialists or leftists. It's a bizzare claim not even the German far right is making.

 

[Tellenbach]

It's a bit naive to go by selfgiven names and ignore historical context.

Let's look at the Nazi platform.

The Nazis Were Marxists

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. The government must undertake the improvement of public health."

Sure sounds like socialism. The Nazis wanted profit sharing (redistributing wealth) and universal healthcare. They also banned guns and believed in the Supremacy of Government over the individual. If it's collectivist crap, it's leftist. Not that hard.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

Let's look at the Nazi platform.

The Nazis Were Marxists



Sure sounds like socialism. The Nazis wanted profit sharing (redistributing wealth) and universal healthcare. They also banned guns and believed in the Supremacy of Government over the individual. If it's collectivist crap, it's leftist. Not that hard.

lol If anyone needed to see right wing brainwashing - here it is. You are arguing with a German person about the Nazis. All you do is bitch about leftist when you live in the most left leaning state in the country. You are incredibly arrogant about your own ignorance. It's amazing.

 

[ceecee]

for the discussion at hand, what I seem to be seeing is a great deal of smaller far left or far right groups using the protests for BLM to commit their violence, and hiding themselves as BLM so BLM is the one viewed negatively.

Who are the left wing groups you are seeing? I mean there are all kinds of right wing terrorists at these protests like Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, Atomwaffen Division or whatever they call themselves now, 3%, various illegal militias (only well regulated militia is the National Guard) and paramilitary groups but I'm not out west, I don't know who the left groups are.

 

[Tellenbach]

I think I know what the problem is. You just need a bigger red pill.

You are arguing with a German person about the Nazis.

See, if I corrected you on your logical faux pas, you'd just accuse me of arrogance. Her nationality has zero bearing on the truth of the matter. Either the Nazis supported socialist policies or they didn't.

There is no argument. She made an excellent point that "national socialists" don't necessarily mean they were socialists, but then she followed up with a not-so-good point that we should look at who supports Nazis today to determine the nazis political leanings. No, we should look at Nazi policies to determine if they are socialists. Their policies are clearly leftist.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Red Herring]

Her nationality has zero bearing on the truth of the matter.

I agree it doesn't automatically grant me authority on the matter but it does make it more likely that I know what I am talking about as I grew up in the place where it originated. 20th century history, especially the Third Reich is very thoroughly covered by the educational system and general public culture. It is still a very present topic.

Either the Nazis supported socialist policies or they didn't.

They didn't.

There is no argument. She made an excellent point that "national socialists" don't necessarily mean they were socialists, but then she followed up with a not-so-good point that we should look at who supports Nazis today to determine the nazis political leanings. No, we should look at Nazi policies to determine if they are socialists. Their policies are clearly leftist.

You conveniently left out the part where I pointed out that the main enemies of nazism has always been the left. They targeted the left even before they targeted Jews.

Other than that I think I see where the problem lies. By your own admission (blog title!) you're an extreme (rightwing) libertarian. Some of the nazi policies or talking points which appeal to people on the left, in the center and on the right and are not cornerstones of nazism or fascism but regular run off the mill public policies in most developed countries seem so exotic and wrong to you (because of your own views) that you can't help but think they are what makes nazism nazism... Because welfare is evil and nazism is evil, so welfare must be nazism. Your own political extremism misguided you here, I'm afraid.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Nazism and Stalinism does have at least one common feature: a cult of personality.

Thankfully, there is nobody in American politics with such a cult.

 

[Red Herring]

Nazism and Stalinism does have at least one common feature: a cult of personality.

Thankfully, there is nobody in American politics with such a cult.

I am sure if you go through my list of fascist beliefs and values you'll be relieved to see none of it sounds the least bit familiar...

 

[Jaguar]

What the hell crawled up Adolf's ass and died?