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[Doctor Cringelord]

How Norfolk, Virginia Is Using Tax Breaks to Demolish Black Neighborhoods - Bloomberg


Americans hate the poor - it's so hard to believe anyone still dismisses that fact, despite the overwhelming evidence, but they do.

The US collectively hates the poor which is why there is so much policy aimed at destroying them.

Add brown or black to the equation and they might as well blow their head off at birth. White poor, just enjoy the scraps.

Although it was enacted as part of President Trump’s controversial Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, the provision enjoyed bipartisan support and bears the fingerprints of one of the economic advisers to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

in case anyone is wondering why I still have misgivings about Biden and haven't ruled out 'throwing my vote away' pm a third party. It's not a throwaway if you're voting against the 2-party backed corruption and policies that are exacerbating inequality and the marginalization of certain demographics. The fact that Biden would employ or befriend anyone supporting (let alone helping to design) 21st century versions of redlining and/or gentrification makes me believe that yes, he might actually be about as bad as Trump. He's just done a better job of speaking the woke and appearing to care about those he speaks for. Earlier I wondered if the DNC could benefit from having PR and optics as good as the GOP. Now I think I was wrong, they have FAR better and more effective optics and public relations than anything in the wildest dreams of the likes of Atwater and Rove.

And I will say again, if Biden and the dems wanted my support, they could've earned it. None of this bullshit about me being obligated to vote for him. If that's true, then he's obligated to earn it. So far he hasn't earned it. He's asked me to sign a one-sided contract, hoping I won't notice he didn't bring the lube, because I'm so fixated on the shitty contract the current president suckered everyone into signing.

 

[Lark]

I think if China were to defeat the US that it may not be the worst thing that could happen, Russian world influence is the only down side I can see.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

Social Activist: Oh, look - there's no wheelchair ramp into the building. Let's build one.
Social Justice Warrior: Let's persecute the people using the stairs and make them feel guilty for having legs.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

"Men matter too" vs "all lives matter": the theory and foundation of BLM makes sense in the context of men'''s issues in society. : LeftWingMaleAdvocates

 

[The Cat]

..looting violence and rioting terms used as an excuse to turn a blind eye to the reason for unrest to justify the suspension of civil liberty and to try to call for State violence against civilians it's also interesting and how these terms are selectively applied looting violence and rioting are terms that have a very specific use in America we reserve the term looting for the unruly underclass stealing often from large insured corporations but you know what we don't call looting?

Civil forfeiture; civil forfeitures when police loot-- sorry I mean it's when police seize money or property from people who they merely suspect of a crime without ever charging them and they just get to keep it. I I wonder what it's called when you take something that belongs to someone else and you keep it?

What about the redistribution of public funds during a pandemic to the wealthy? is that looting? is it looting when the cops arrest a woman who is trying to buy tampons for being outside during curfew; who took her phone and haven't returned it? Only when the lower class steals from the upper class is it looting, if it's the police, or upper class stealing from the lower class... it's called seizure or tax breaks... so if you're concerned right now is some people looting and not the police marching In and brutalizing protesters... I think I might need to give you a gentle reminder that human lives are more important than fucking property...

 

[Red Memories]

Young Americans don't love America because they don't know history

interesting opinion piece.

 

[The Cat]

Young Americans don't love America because they don't know history

interesting opinion piece.

Why do you think that out of curiosity?

 

[The Cat]

 

[Red Memories]

Why do you think that out of curiosity?

I was homeschooled and to be honest, some of the things I am taught NOW in colleges is vastly different than what my homeschooling textbooks taught me a few years ago. I realize education grows and changes, but the concept of history does not. History is not meant to be rewritten. A country which does not know its history is doomed not just to repeat it but to fall on itself. I notice my younger counterparts not feeling patriotic in any form, or disliking America. I like this writer's phrasing that your country is like a parent - you aren't always PROUD of them, agree with it, or like it but you try to work things to make it better and build it better. If you merely scream you hate America and teach people to hate it rather than fixing it, you're doing little. I do feel some teachers have captured into biases and forgot to teach history at its core. Schools are failing in many ways today. Filled with technology, they still teach to a standardized test which shows little of your competency later. Students often face little challenge to critically think about the things in front of them, they are merely taught memorization and right from wrong from an instructor. Teachers have GREAT power, they're paid like shit though which is horribly sad to think about, but this power to teach people to grasp knowledge can also be misused and misguided.

In a lot of ways this would open up another long thread of debate on the failures of the current education system. There are foreign countries doing completely different systems now while ours is still based upon the expectations of future factory work. Most of us do not work in factories anymore. Our education system needs a reboot and...a shit ton of updates to fill in the errors.

 

[The Cat]

I was homeschooled and to be honest, some of the things I am taught NOW in colleges is vastly different than what my homeschooling textbooks taught me a few years ago. I realize education grows and changes, but the concept of history does not. History is not meant to be rewritten. A country which does not know its history is doomed not just to repeat it but to fall on itself. I notice my younger counterparts not feeling patriotic in any form, or disliking America. I like this writer's phrasing that your country is like a parent - you aren't always PROUD of them, agree with it, or like it but you try to work things to make it better and build it better. If you merely scream you hate America and teach people to hate it rather than fixing it, you're doing little. I do feel some teachers have captured into biases and forgot to teach history at its core. Schools are failing in many ways today. Filled with technology, they still teach to a standardized test which shows little of your competency later. Students often face little challenge to critically think about the things in front of them, they are merely taught memorization and right from wrong from an instructor. Teachers have GREAT power, they're paid like shit though which is horribly sad to think about, but this power to teach people to grasp knowledge can also be misused and misguided.

In a lot of ways this would open up another long thread of debate on the failures of the current education system. There are foreign countries doing completely different systems now while ours is still based upon the expectations of future factory work. Most of us do not work in factories anymore. Our education system needs a reboot and...a shit ton of updates to fill in the errors.

So what is it exactly do you think that article is saying?

 

[Red Memories]

So what is it exactly do you think that article is saying?

I believe the article is pointing out through the flaws within our education system, they are attempting to rewrite history to convey the message they want, and many of these children are growing to hate America because they are being taught to hate America rather than realize patriotism does not mean you love and stand for everything in your country, it means standing by your country and working to make it BETTER. And they are not taught to critically think and shape ideas for themselves, they merely read and just regurgitate what they learn in class or through trendy hashtags.

This article says to me, young people need to adjust their views to realize wanting change doesn't mean you are less loving of your country. Teachers need to teach facts as history, not opinion pieces or realigned history to get some point across. The education system needs revamped so these kind of fallacies do not so easily occur.

 

[The Cat]

You can't teach it has to be earned classes designed to indoctrinate children in mythology. It breeds nationalism not patriotism; those two things are diametrically opposed. This will not succeed in creating Patriots; because Patriots by their very nature, have to question their government. Question the things that it's doing. If they are taught the mythology that America is always making the right choices and everything's great-- they can't do that.

Any program designed to teach patriotism will fail. Iif you want to create Patriots you have to give them a place and a way of life they're willing to defend. That's what creates Patriots. Not lies, not fairy tales, not mythology, because this program is certainly not going to teach American history. If you want to teach history you have to teach the bad parts too. And in the United States there are volumes of it. We haven't even lived up to the promises in the declaration of Independence and the Constitution; the promises set out by Thomas Paine. We haven't even lived up to what he said we should do before we said we were great, he said that: "When it can be said by any country in the world my poor are happy neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them my jails are empty of prisoners my streets of beggars the age are not in want the taxes are not oppressive the rational world is my friend because I am the friend of happiness when these things can be said then may that country boast its Constitution and government Independence is my happiness the world is my country and my religion is to do good."

 

[The Cat]

I believe the article is pointing out through the flaws within our education system, they are attempting to rewrite history to convey the message they want, and many of these children are growing to hate America because they are being taught to hate America rather than realize patriotism does not mean you love and stand for everything in your country, it means standing by your country and working to make it BETTER. And they are not taught to critically think and shape ideas for themselves, they merely read and just regurgitate what they learn in class or through trendy hashtags.

This article says to me, young people need to adjust their views to realize wanting change doesn't mean you are less loving of your country. Teachers need to teach facts as history, not opinion pieces or realigned history to get some point across. The education system needs revamped so these kind of fallacies do not so easily occur.

What do you know about the Texas Public Policy Foundation?

 

[Red Memories]

I agree with this sentiment as well. I feel I was somewhat lucky with my high school curriculum. It spoke of the very bad actions America did - i.e. incidents within the world wars, the trail of tears, etc. and also many of the good things of America. That's what I mean by factual history, not opinion pieces. History is good and bad, because America and any country is made of humans and humans are in fact imperfect entities. Even the best of Presidents made some mistakes, the worst of Presidents maybe signed a good policy or two. You have to learn it at its value and know how to critically think and look through the data in front of you to decide good vs. bad then what can be done about it.

Any teacher who pushes you to love every single thing your country does is not teaching history correctly. A teacher that pushes every bad thing America did on you as this country is horrible, is not teaching correctly. A good history teacher? You oughta learn both. Very few if any country can tout never having a bad action in their previous history. Germans still love Germany but they had Hitler. They worked to make their country better. Same with places like Italy, or England. You can't just give up on the country. me and Jaguar don't see eye to eye always but he did say something before I appreciated, he said he'd rather stay here and fix it. THAT'S the sort of patriotism we need.

 

[Red Memories]

What do you know about the Texas Public Policy Foundation?

I have never heard of it. Feel free to educate me. Wikipedia suggests it is a conservative thinktank. Thinktank already tells me I dislike it.

 

[ceecee]

I have never heard of it. Feel free to educate me. Wikipedia suggests it is a conservative thinktank. Thinktank already tells me I dislike it.

Here's another hate group writing education policy you can look into. This is partially how the south rewrote the Civil War history and how they think it was barely about slavery. People on this forum back this lie regularly.

United Daughters of the Confederacy wrote textbooks for the South | localmemphis.com

This is why people fight for laws to keep religion and propaganda out of schools and out of government. This is also part of the Seven Mountains mandate

1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media


...and Christian Nationalism/Dominionism people like Ted Cruz and Betsy Devos advocate.

Dominionism, Christian Nationalism and Ted Cruz

 

[Red Memories]

Here's another hate group writing education policy you can look into. This is partially how the south rewrote the Civil War history and how they think it was barely about slavery. People on this forum back this lie regularly.

United Daughters of the Confederacy wrote textbooks for the South | localmemphis.com

This is why people fight for laws to keep religion and propaganda out of schools and out of government. This is also part of the Seven Mountains mandate

1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media


...and Christian Nationalism/Dominionism people like Ted Cruz and Betsy Devos advocate.

Dominionism, Christian Nationalism and Ted Cruz

"They also have their own reputations to protect and kind of rewriting the narrative of the war and the Confederate rebellion," Rolph said. "So that it becomes about honor, it becomes about protecting the home, the nurturing space, it reiterates that paternalistic relationship between master and slave and that these white women imagine themselves as maternal figures toward the enslaved women."

Sound right, I have heard this sort of false pretense. I was taught the civil war occurred because the South refused to stop using slavery (it was very cheap labor costs obviously and many of these rich pioneers did not want to get their own hands dirty.) and the North fought to end slavery. My grandpa always says the war was NOT about slavery but...I don't know how anyone justfully could say the civil war was not about slavery. Even my mother said it was about slavery. It has nothing to do with defending "southern honor." However you do not fix this issue by rewriting the textbook on when America was founded to suggest something farther back. My problem is school's teach you WHAT to think, not HOW to think. Critical thinking continues to get lost in translation.

I was taught a sort of original POV related to this Christian dominion when I was learning history, that "God had chose this country" in the eyes of these people. Not that it was accurate, merely something which occurred. I do not think any religion should face oppression of any kind or be unportrayed for whatever reasons but also this country is built under the freedom to believe or not if you so want to because originally England started their laws on religion which made many Puritans and the like choose to come to a new country and fight for their freedom to NOT believe what the country told them to. Why in God's name would we insult the founding fathers by trying to force non-believers to in fact do this all over again? I don't think there's another country these people can find to cherish...so let's remember freedom of religion means freedom from the government telling you how to believe spiritually in any shape or form.

 

[The Cat]

I have never heard of it. Feel free to educate me. Wikipedia suggests it is a conservative thinktank. Thinktank already tells me I dislike it.

theyre the ones who are behind that little bow tie wearing apple pie loving young american of your opinion peice.

What a weird random coincidence, almost like theyre rebooting

The Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) is a conservative think tank based in Austin, Texas.[2] The organization was founded in 1989 by James R. Leininger, who sought intellectual support for his education reform ideas, including public school vouchers.[3] Projects of the organization include Right on Crime, which is focused on criminal justice reform,[4] and Fueling Freedom, which seeks to "explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels"[5] by rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change.[6]

In 2015, TPPF had total revenue of $10.8 million.[7] Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron, ExxonMobil, and other fossil fuel interests.[8] The stated mission of TPPF is "to promote and defend liberty, personal responsibility, and free enterprise in Texas and the nation by educating and affecting policymakers and the Texas public policy debate with academically sound research and outreach."[9]

In 2018, TPPF opened an office in Washington, D.C.

It's pretty much a mask of the new texas oil barons they're climate change deniers and more hate filled than they might like you to believe...
In October 2017, the White House announced that President Donald Trump had selected Kathleen Hartnett White to serve as chair of the Council on Environmental Quality. White is a fellow at TPPF. A climate change denier, White has said that climate change does not exist and that United Nations findings on climate change are "not validated and politically corrupt."[22]

[23] She has argued that carbon dioxide levels are good for life on Earth, that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, and that "fossil fuels dissolved the economic justification for slavery." <-----

See a lot of these nationalist organizations are gonna really try to reach out to young students. keep them from getting crazy ideas like maybe people deserve better health care and should consider that maybe the status quo is not quo at all or things need to get done. they like to spin that the problem isnt systematic racism or climate change. It's people thinking that maybe they should be thinking more. That if people would just stay LOYAL

 

[Red Memories]

theyre the ones who are behind that little bow tie wearing apple pie loving young american of your opinion peice.

What a weird random coincidence, almost like theyre rebooting

The Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) is a conservative think tank based in Austin, Texas.[2] The organization was founded in 1989 by James R. Leininger, who sought intellectual support for his education reform ideas, including public school vouchers.[3] Projects of the organization include Right on Crime, which is focused on criminal justice reform,[4] and Fueling Freedom, which seeks to "explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels"[5] by rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change.[6]

In 2015, TPPF had total revenue of $10.8 million.[7] Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron, ExxonMobil, and other fossil fuel interests.[8] The stated mission of TPPF is "to promote and defend liberty, personal responsibility, and free enterprise in Texas and the nation by educating and affecting policymakers and the Texas public policy debate with academically sound research and outreach."[9]

In 2018, TPPF opened an office in Washington, D.C.

It's pretty much a mask of the new texas oil barons they're climate change deniers and more hate filled than they might like you to believe...
In October 2017, the White House announced that President Donald Trump had selected Kathleen Hartnett White to serve as chair of the Council on Environmental Quality. White is a fellow at TPPF. A climate change denier, White has said that climate change does not exist and that United Nations findings on climate change are "not validated and politically corrupt."[22]

[23] She has argued that carbon dioxide levels are good for life on Earth, that carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, and that "fossil fuels dissolved the economic justification for slavery." <-----

See a lot of these nationalist organizations are gonna really try to reach out to young students. keep them from getting crazy ideas like maybe people deserve better health care and should consider that maybe the status quo is not quo at all or things need to get done. they like to spin that the problem isnt systematic racism or climate change. It's people thinking that maybe they should be thinking more. That if people would just stay LOYAL

While you are suggesting the opinion piece comes from this background, it has built into a discussion of my own opinion piece on flaws in our education system. Education systems should not teach me to be loyal nor disloyal. They should not teach me moral or immoral. They should be teaching me how to derive facts, opinions, and values on my own through critical thinking and analysis of factual documents and rules in front of me.

My conclusion does not in fact suggest we should not want better health care, I suggest students are taught to critically think, see the most viable solutions, learn to speak their minds and opinions diplomatically, and know that America needs them to do this. Not to just regurgitate anything and everything put in front of them.

See, I could have taken this opinion piece and then regurgitated what these people believe. I did not. Changing the status quo means changing the regurgitation process as well. I read it, I then associated experience and other data within my brain to piece together a bigger thing from this. Obviously, he as a writer was more strict upon the idea that this is merely a "raging liberal" issue. I'm compelled to argue for ages Americans have merely been trained to regurgitate the information placed in front of them rather than discover for themselves, to research and find truth. Many people say they want to find truth but are they really looking for it?