Trump vs. Bernie

[Z Buck McFate]

He's one gigantic toddler meltdown, this is true. But I've never seen Trump have much of anything to say to George Conway on Twitter and he's been at Mar-a-Lago too.

Oh he's said stuff about George, the usual adolescent crap any junior highschooler could come up with (if not top). But not as frequently as he does his other critics. I've wondered if either George Conway is off limits somewhat because Trump needs Kellyanne or if Conway is *so* good at effectively turning Trump into an ultimately insignificant punchline that he fades out of Trump's purview (narcissists tend to develop blind spots towards those who don't feed their ego). I mean, it is feasible it's all an act but it's easier for me to believe it's not than it is to believe Trump is capable of passing that particular marshmallow test.

 

[Jaguar]

U.S. Citizens should vote for Bernie because Nancy said something? GTFOOH. The forum is not short on comedy.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

The forum is not short on comedy.

Yes! You in particular have been a constant source of amusement. Keep it coming.

 

[Jaguar]

Yes! You in particular have been a constant source of amusement.

You have not. Work on it.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

You have not. Work on it.

Not why I'm here, so it works out for everyone.

 

[ceecee]

I haven't bought anything from amazon in 3 years because it became evident the company is evil at it's core with likely very evil ambitions. I really, really wish people would stop buying anything from them, but I understand that's not feasible for many.

This doesn't surprise me at all to see, and I've largely thought the spats between Bezos and the Trump admin are a dog and pony show.

I don't mean Amazon. I mean the Washington Post. Nothing to do with Jeff Bezos and Trump and everything to do with corporate media. WaPo, NY Times, CNN, Fox, Bloomberg.. There is no difference between Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and Ivanka Trump. Or Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett. None. All the ghouls are on the same team. Just like they all were at this party.

 

[á´…eparted]

I don't mean Amazon. I mean the Washington Post. Nothing to do with Jeff Bezos and Trump and everything to do with corporate media. WaPo, NY Times, CNN, Fox, Bloomberg.. There is no difference between Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and Ivanka Trump. Or Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett. None. All the ghouls are on the same team. Just like they all were at this party.

Yeah, I know... and I agree with you. I was just pointing out something related to that given that Bezos owns Amazon and it's a major threat to us all in addition to what you said here. Roberts behavior during the impeachment "trial" made it publicly obvious where he stands, but it's been pretty evident right from the start.

 

[anticlimatic]

Trump is going to bend poor bernie over a barrel. If by some miracle sanders manages to get elected president in 2020, at least a substantial portion of my college-level peers would be politically happy for the first time in many years. Their joy will be my silver lining. But more likely, I don't think bernie's base of broke career-undecideds/career dead-enders will be enough to carry him. Anybody with a decent job, responsible levels of debt, upward mobility, and money in the bank will vote anywhere else. If america still works, fundamentally, they will be the majority. If it is indeed as broken as some people suggest, it won't. 2020 will be an interesting referendum on the system.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Trump is going to bend poor bernie over a barrel. If by some miracle sanders manages to get elected president in 2020, at least a substantial portion of my college-level peers would be politically happy for the first time in many years. Their joy will be my silver lining. But more likely, I don't think bernie's base of broke career-undecideds/career dead-enders will be enough to carry him. Anybody with a decent job, responsible levels of debt, upward mobility, and money in the bank will vote anywhere else. If america still works, fundamentally, they will be the majority. If it is indeed as broken as some people suggest, it won't. 2020 will be an interesting referendum on the system.

I work in a real job in the private sector. You might be surprised how many people you'd run into in business and finance who like Bernie, but aren't super vocal about it (likely due to fear of being fired). I think you're dead wrong in assuming his base is a bunch of losers and women's studies majors. Sounds like something Jaguar might say. Those types just happen to be the most vocal because they have nothing to lose in voicing their support. Those of us with "real" jobs do tend to be a little more careful about how loud we get over Bernie.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

If america still works, fundamentally, they will be the majority. If it is indeed as broken as some people suggest, it won't. 2020 will be an interesting referendum on the system.

It hasn't worked for decades, buddy, and even then, it only worked for white people. Bring it.

You should be pushing for Biden, whose only chance is that the coronavirus thing gets really out of hand or there's another recession or something.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

It hasn't worked for decades, buddy, and even then, it only worked for white people. Bring it.

It works, but only as good as an asymmetrical online game i.e. dead by daylight. Although even in that game there is a better chance of "winning" than in the real life American system.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It works, but only as good as an asymmetrical online game i.e. dead by daylight. Although even in that game there is a better chance of "winning" than in the real life American system.

Dead by daylight? Elucidate.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Dead by daylight? Elucidate.

Dead by Daylight - Wikipedia

Basically one player spawns as the killer/hunter and has to kill the other players. He/she is more powerful and very hard to escape or stop. Which is like the American system where certain demographics start with an economic disadvantage.

 

[á´…eparted]

It works, but only as good as an asymmetrical online game i.e. dead by daylight. Although even in that game there is a better chance of "winning" than in the real life American system.

I really want to like DBD. It's a really good game with such fun mechanics. One of my best friends has been obsessed with it for years and it's been a big inspiration for her in her LARPing and worldbuilding/game creations. It's just... too violent and brutal for me, and damn is it frustrating!

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Dead by Daylight - Wikipedia

Basically one player spawns as the killer/hunter and has to kill the other players. He/she is more powerful and very hard to escape or stop. Which is like the American system where certain demographics start with an economic disadvantage.

Oh, I get the metaphor now.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I really want to like DBD. It's a really good game with such fun mechanics. One of my best friends has been obsessed with it for years and it's been a big inspiration for her in her LARPing and worldbuilding/game creations. It's just... too violent and brutal for me, and damn is it frustrating!

Too bad, otherwise I'd recommend you try Friday the 13th The Game. Pretty violent stuff.

 

[ceecee]

I work in a real job in the private sector. You might be surprised how many people you'd run into in business and finance who like Bernie, but aren't super vocal about it (likely due to fear of being fired). I think you're dead wrong in assuming his base is a bunch of losers and women's studies majors. Sounds like something Jaguar might say. Those types just happen to be the most vocal because they have nothing to lose in voicing their support. Those of us with "real" jobs do tend to be a little more careful about how loud we get over Bernie.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Isn't it amazing that someone that screams so loudly about calling someone an loser has no issue doing exactly the same to someone else? Excuse me - broke career-undecideds/career dead-enders.

I do think it's hilarious that anyone thinks if you have money in the bank, invest, own a home and have a decent job no way are you voting for Bernie.

 

[Jaguar]

Sounds like something Jaguar might say.

No it doesn't. This does:

“If we as a party don’t start talking not just about how to tax wealth,” Booker said, “but how to give more people opportunities to create wealth, to grow businesses, to have their American dream — because yeah we need to raise the minimum wage, but the people in communities I frequent, their aspiration for their lives is not just to have those fair wages, they want to have an economy that provides not just equalities in wealth, but they want to have equalities in opportunity.”

At least Booker has some vision.

 

[Maou]

I work in a real job in the private sector. You might be surprised how many people you'd run into in business and finance who like Bernie, but aren't super vocal about it (likely due to fear of being fired). I think you're dead wrong in assuming his base is a bunch of losers and women's studies majors. Sounds like something Jaguar might say. Those types just happen to be the most vocal because they have nothing to lose in voicing their support. Those of us with "real" jobs do tend to be a little more careful about how loud we get over Bernie.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I would say the real factor in workplace politics, is what kind of job you have. For example, I work in the car industry and it is 99% Republican. But I know people in accounting, and various other paper pushing jobs where its all Democrat. I also notice a disproportionate amount of women who are Democrats, and men who are Republicans. I know people who also have to hide their affiliation just to hold a job, because people are too petty to allow those they disagree with around them.

 

[anticlimatic]

I work in a real job in the private sector. You might be surprised how many people you'd run into in business and finance who like Bernie, but aren't super vocal about it (likely due to fear of being fired). I think you're dead wrong in assuming his base is a bunch of losers and women's studies majors. Sounds like something Jaguar might say. Those types just happen to be the most vocal because they have nothing to lose in voicing their support. Those of us with "real" jobs do tend to be a little more careful about how loud we get over Bernie. Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Do they pay you enough at your job? I don't understand why anyone doing OK in life financially would want to vote someone in whose entire platform is wealth redistribution. Help me out here.