The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

[The Cat]

I would like more pay for less work. But then, I'm dishonest. And you can always count on a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly; it's the honest ones you have to watch out for...and I'm still looking for an honest man beyond the grave...

 

[Z Buck McFate]

That post was not some endorsement of Trump as Falcarius is really a bicycle riding, vegatarian, pinko, hippy that Fox News warn people about.

I can tell by the way you pronounce "aluminum" that you're one of the good guys.

But for what it is worth, it is relevant from statistical point of view as there are around 2,000 billionaires and 330 million people in USA in total so the rich should not inflate it too much. For example, the average household income was $61,372 in 2018 which does not seem all that inflated as far as Falcarius can see.

It's also worth pointing out that this isn't from a raise in wages so much a raise in hours worked and/or number of people in the household working. And I guess - more than average household income numbers - I'm far more interested in hearing about dents being made in income inequality. I don't particularly have the energy or time to look up support to back up what I'm saying, perhaps especially because historically in this forum it's an absolute waste of time to get into specifics about this kind of thing anyway (the people who tend to disagree don't provide particularly cogent responses to it). And it's a bit of a side tangent anyway, since the thread seems to be about discussing whether Trump is legit batshit and if/why that's a problem. Suffice it to say, even if I only focus on what he's done (instead of whether he's batshit), I still think he's destructive.

And as much as some claim he is only about Trump, his language is actually inclusive, using much more "we" and "us" than "I", while Obama was a huge fan of "I".

But when Trump says "we", he's pretty much talking about himself and those who support him. There's a pretty clear "us vs. them" going on for him - not a day, barely an hour, goes by without his Twitter account making this absolutely clear - and anyone who doesn't unconditionally support him (who challenges his authority to dictate 'the truth', who isn't "loyal") gets pushed into the "them" category.

The majority of the country he's supposed to be leading is currently in the "them" category. He's belligerently adversarial to the majority of his constituency; it's as if he sees himself heroically leading the country in spite of us instead of seeing us as an inherent part of the country. That's fucked up. It's not acceptable.

(And again, please don't take my terseness personally).

 

[The Cat]

Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'

 

[Tellenbach]

Wages increase when businesses spend less on regulatory compliance and taxes. Trump has cut both regulations and taxes so we're seeing wage increases; it's that simple. The more regulations and taxes you cut, the greater the wage increases and job opportunities. Ideally, entire bureaucracies like the Dept of Education should be eliminated so we can further cut taxes.

 

[The Cat]

If cows were as quick as people to cut their own throats, we would have more beef, right up until we had no beef. Some will still argue that is logical and all is well.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

But when Trump says "we", he's pretty much talking about himself and those who support him. There's a pretty clear "us vs. them" going on for him - not a day, barely an hour, goes by without his Twitter account making this absolutely clear - and anyone who doesn't unconditionally support him (who challenges his authority to dictate 'the truth', who isn't "loyal") gets pushed into the "them" category.

The majority of the country he's supposed to be leading is currently in the "them" category. He's belligerently adversarial to the majority of his constituency; it's as if he sees himself heroically leading the country in spite of us instead of seeing us as an inherent part of the country. That's fucked up. It's not acceptable.

(And again, please don't take my terseness personally).

You interpret this that way. It does not make it true or correct. It is just your interpretation. It is like the twisting that some do to say someone is speaking with dog whistles.

There are no dog whistles or secret languages, just biased interpretations designed to demonize someone. This is nothing new, but it typical of those looking for evil intent and trying to justify their bias against someone.

You claim he puts the majority of the country in "them" category. But again, that is your interpretation.

Here is the simple truth: Trump is adversarial to those who attack him. Everyone else is counted in his "us" and "we".

If Schumer and Pelosi would start really trying to work with him and call off their media attack dogs, proposing infrastructure bills and real national health care bills, Trump would sign them. He would likely even sign a DACA amnesty if it had mandatory eVerify and Wall funding.

But they can't because they piss off their billionaire masters and Trump would do a 1984 style landslide.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You interpret this that way. It does not make it true or correct. It is just your interpretation. It is like the twisting that some do to say someone is speaking with dog whistles.

There are no dog whistles or secret languages, just biased interpretations designed to demonize someone. This is nothing new, but it typical of those looking for evil intent and trying to justify their bias against someone.

You claim he puts the majority of the country in "them" category. But again, that is your interpretation.

Here is the simple truth: Trump is adversarial to those who attack him. Everyone else is counted in his "us" and "we".

If Schumer and Pelosi would start really trying to work with him and call off their media attack dogs, proposing infrastructure bills and real national health care bills, Trump would sign them. He would likely even sign a DACA amnesty if it had mandatory eVerify and Wall funding.

But they can't because they piss off their billionaire masters and Trump would do a 1984 style landslide.

Naw bro, he called me a traitor because of israel. And I try not to fixate on him that much at all.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

“I won the election, the markets went up thousands of points, things started happening,” Trump said at a rally here. “If, for some reason, I were not to have won the election, these markets would have crashed. That will happen even more so in 2020. You have no choice but to vote for me, because your 401(k), everything is going to be down the tubes.”


“Whether you love me or hate me, you have got to vote for me,” he added.

I, ME, I, ME, I, ME. VOTE FOR ME OR YOUR LIFE IS GOING DOWN THE TUBES. Vote for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.



lol.

 

[Falcarius]

Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'

Just like only Gollum, Jesus, Elmo, Mr. Miyagi and Falcarius have the right to referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person.

 

[Maou]

To put it in perspective of how much Trump has affected my life personally, in my area. Is my company cannot find people to hire, to fill in the lower positions that start at 10$/h with 1 dollar raises every year. Many of the management is retiring, and my company promotes its positions from within, and offers full benefits as well. Its this small company you might have heard of, called Toyota. All fast food resturaunts, gas stations, trade apprentices are all competing with us as well, and we are lucky to get literal midget autistic adhd man children to apply, so we are not understaffed. That should tell you how good the job market is, when Amazon and factories absorb all the work force for 22$/h in a 100 mile radius in the middle of Ohio. I am even considering to switching to a factory job. So yeah, its hard for me to believe anyone that says wages are not going up, and the jobs gained are not that much. 10k jobs is a LOT for one city.

 

[The Cat]

I just wonder how he manages to visit all those houses in one night, also how does the president deal with people who have no chimney?

 

[Peter Deadpan]

To put it in perspective of how much Trump has affected my life personally, in my area. Is my company cannot find people to hire, to fill in the lower positions that start at 10$/h with 1 dollar raises every year. Many of the management is retiring, and my company promotes its positions from within, and offers full benefits as well. Its this small company you might have heard of, called Toyota. All fast food resturaunts, gas stations, trade apprentices are all competing with us as well, and we are lucky to get literal midget autistic adhd man children to apply, so we are not understaffed. That should tell you how good the job market is, when Amazon and factories absorb all the work force for 22$/h in a 100 mile radius in the middle of Ohio. I am even considering to switching to a factory job. So yeah, its hard for me to believe anyone that says wages are not going up, and the jobs gained are not that much. 10k jobs is a LOT for one city.

$10/hour is simply not a suitable living wage these days, so I do not feel bad at all.

Also, if the complaint is that driving wages up drives costs in general up, then maybe someone should fix that problem instead of pretending that income to cost of living ratio is reasonable.

I don't have the solution, but it's not difficult at all to see the problem.

 

[The Cat]

$10/hour is simply not a suitable living wage these days, so I do not feel bad at all.

Also, if the complaint is that driving wages up drives costs in general up, then maybe someone should fix that problem instead of pretending that income to cost of living ratio is reasonable.

I don't have the solution, but it's not difficult at all to see the problem.

Shhh. You're scaring the children. Uh, everything is under control. Situation normal. Uh, had a slight weapons malfunction. But, uh, everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?

 

[Jaguar]

I didn't know Trump bought Toyota. Imagine that.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Maou]

$10/hour is simply not a suitable living wage these days, so I do not feel bad at all.

Also, if the complaint is that driving wages up drives costs in general up, then maybe someone should fix that problem instead of pretending that income to cost of living ratio is reasonable.

I don't have the solution, but it's not difficult at all to see the problem.

Depends on the state. You can live on 10 dollars an hour and then some in Ohio. I take home on average 1600 a month. Rent is 725, and I'm 5 min from downtown. I get paid holidays, and paid vacations 2 weeks a year. Wages go up when people are competing for workers. Businesses can't grow if they can't hire anyone. Besides, my point is no one is working these jobs, which means there are better ones out there that they are getting. And you can't argue unemployment pays more, because it doesn't. This is one of the best jobs I have ever had, quality of life wise.

Also, who said anything about Trump buying toyota. I was giving and example on how Trump's policies affected my state.

 

[The Cat]

I dont recall other presidents family asking me to send them cards telling them I think they're doing a good job.
This has led to me having periods of picturing fearless leader, alone in the oval office, a calendar with a picture of a cat hanging from a tree; the caption: "Seize the day!" Staring sadly at his solo game of mousetrap he set up in anticipation of his birthday party, the moon bounce is on the white house lawn, and fearless leader morosely sits, party hat askew. No one came to his birthday party. There is no joy in Mudville...

 

[Jaguar]

If someone is hellbent on giving Trump credit for what Toyota does, then by all means, hold him accountable for that slave labor rate of pay. It sounds like something he'd do to people.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Depends on the state. You can live on 10 dollars an hour and then some in Ohio. I take home on average 1600 a month. Rent is 725, and I'm 5 min from downtown. I get paid holidays, and paid vacations 2 weeks a year. Wages go up when people are competing for workers. Businesses can't grow if they can't hire anyone. Besides, my point is no one is working these jobs, which means there are better ones out there that they are getting. And you can't argue unemployment pays more, because it doesn't. This is one of the best jobs I have ever had, quality of life wise.

Also, who said anything about Trump buying toyota. I was giving and example on how Trump's policies affected my state.

I would argue that that is not much income at all (also, I am pretty sure I have heard you discuss financial issues before??? I could be mistaken....).

But let's go one step further. You have no children (as far as I know). Your wage is pretty typical for someone without a degree or trade skill, which unfortunately for whatever collective of reasons, is not uncommon at all. Now, throw in the average 2.whatever children, and you have someone living is official poverty. That is a lot of people, maaaany of which may have been victims of circumstance to some extent (a now divorced mother who escaped an abusive marriage, for example, and wasn't able to attain a degree because of the oppressive circumstances of her life while she was married.... that's me, by the way.... I tried to go to school several times but was not able to continue, for various complicated and oppressive reasons).

But moving beyond that, and this is not a particularly difficult Google search here, but the way poverty levels are determined is beyond outdated and results in consistent systemic oppression of certain groups.

Now, just to be clear, I have always had the mindset that anyone can attain their goals if they try hard enough. However, no one ever really talks about the consequences of pursuing such a dream for those living in already difficult situations.

Anyway, my brain isn't even functioning enough at the moment to have a logically and ethically sound in depth discussion about this with you, so accept my Reader's Digest Condensed Cliff Notes instead.