Astrology

[Forever]

Oh and [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION] if you need this:

 

[violet_crown]

There's so much here I want to talk about. I'm going to try this out of order:

There was an Astrologer that had a blog called "Stealing Fire From the Gods" <-which was her alternate title/short description for Chiron in the 6th but the damn thing is closed and so I never got a chance to find out why she gave it that name. What does it mean? I know it means something because I know I do it. I just wouldn't have tied it to Virgo or Mercury but then...

Ahhh I love this. "Stealing Fire from the Gods" is about how the Titan Prometheus defied Zeus to give fire to man. As punishment for defying Zeus, Prometheus is chained to a rock and his liver is eaten every day by Zeus' eagle. It brings a really interesting twist to the "wounding" in the Chiron myth. In the Chiron story, Chiron's wound is accidental, but is an aspect of his gift as a healer. The divine in conflict with the mortal. The sacrifice required to share from one side of the divide to the other is the wound. Prometheus made the choice where Chiron did not. Saying that where we take fire rather than it's inflicted upon us gives such a different bent to chirotic wounding. It's not "this is where I'm broken", but rather "this is the part of me I gave of myself so the Gods might speak through me."

Okay, it all makes sense to me now haha of course you have Chiron in the 6th. It's funny though because for me and my experience...even the question "What is your experience of it?" seems too mild or something. I'm not sure exactly how I would reword the question...maybe like "So how has not fitting into any of the systems and structures that surround us on a daily basis messed with your head?" "What has 'marching to the beat of your own drummer' <-not because it's cool but because it is literally the only option available to you...what's that been like?" (haha)

Hmmm let me think here...


^^So there's that...but it goes beyond all the issues I could have just as easily ripped from the pages of an ENFP description as a Chiron in the 6th.


Not being able to ask for help primarily because I don't even know I need it is a pretty significant problem for me. But it is also the case that...like, I swear... I am the person that could walk into an emergency room bleeding profusely from a severed limb and the doctors there would be like "What's the problem? You seem fine to me". <-I've always blamed this on Pe dominance/Positive Outlook...but I know the ENFJs and ENTJs often have this issue as well. I can't ask for help. I don't know when I need help. And I don't know how to behave in a way that demonstrates I need help when I do.

All of this makes me so sensitive to those in need. And a fire-stealer.

I think because of the Chiron/Venus conjunction that I have, I understand a lot of Chiron problems through that lens without having done the work of just trying to understand Chiron in the 6th in and of itself. The question of value is always present. What does it mean to have worth? How do I know I’m valued or not? There’s that feeling of having to fight for the things that should be yours by rights.

I think in the 6th the mundane things that seem to give that sense of security in their place and emotional safety to others were never there in my case. Or didn’t seem to mean the same things for me. If I wanted those things, I had to find them in myself. I build my own structure. I’m responsible for my own life. I think if it weren’t for the Saturn aspect, I might have been an ENFP. But Saturn demands some fix to the problem. If they won’t give it to me, or if I don’t belong, then I can make the choice to belong to myself. I create a world that suits me, but it is one that without question arose from the fact that I have a fundamental lack of understanding of how to belong to the one I actually live in haha.

 

[Snickie]

For funsies, I want to hear opinions/interpretations on my chart by people who are more into astrology than me. (Which isn't saying much since I'm not into Astrology any more than as a passing curiosity for funsies.)

 

[Starry]

There's so much here I want to talk about. I'm going to try this out of order:



Ahhh I love this. "Stealing Fire from the Gods" is about how the Titan Prometheus defied Zeus to give fire to man. As punishment for defying Zeus, Prometheus is chained to a rock and his liver is eaten every day by Zeus' liver. It brings a really interesting twist to the "wounding" in the Chiron myth. In the Chiron story, Chiron's wound is accidental, but is an aspect of his gift as a healer. The divine in conflict with the mortal. The sacrifice required to share from one side of the divide to the other is the wound. Prometheus made the choice where Chiron did not. Saying that where we take fire rather than it's inflicted upon us gives such a different bent to chirotic wounding. It's not "this is where I'm broken", but rather "this is the part of me I gave of myself so the Gods might speak through me."

You mean to tell me that there has been a story with livers eating other livers in it around this whole time and I didn't know anything about it???? I'm also realizing that I don't really remember Chiron's story/myth anymore in spite of having heard it more than once. Pfft asteroids oh well.

I actually started choking up a little bit reading what you wrote. I had no idea this was the meaning...but this most definitely reflects my understanding of wounds.

I think because of the Chiron/Venus conjunction that I have, I understand a lot of Chiron problems through that lens without having done the work of just trying to understand Chiron in the 6th in and of itself. The question of value is always present. What does it mean to have worth? How do I know I’m valued or not? There’s that feeling of having to fight for the things that should be yours by rights.

I think in the 6th the mundane things that seem to give that sense of security in their place and emotional safety to others were never there in my case. Or didn’t seem to mean the same things for me. If I wanted those things, I had to find them in myself. I build my own structure. I’m responsible for my own life. I think if it weren’t for the Saturn aspect, I might have been an ENFP. But Saturn demands some fix to the problem. If they won’t give it to me, or if I don’t belong, then I can make the choice to belong to myself. I create a world that suits me, but it is one that without question arose from the fact that I have a fundamental lack of understanding of how to belong to the one I actually live in haha.

I feel like I want to go out to coffee with you for 20 hours. You seem quite a bit further along in this process than I am and while it is still so difficult for me in this instance to sweep up all the impressions and glimpses into the "reason dustpan" because while I'm actually ok with sweeping itself and find it kinda relaxing...I fucking hate bending over and trying to get a pile of crap into the dustpan and you are knocking shit off tables with the long handle of the broom and you've got that line of crap that remains and so you need to keep moving the dustpan back...

I've had the vague impression before that I'm delayed in this regard because I've never been able to formulate an opinion with regards to the mundane rituals. I know they seem real important to so many people. I know all too well what it is like to be judged on the basis of having actually made a choice not to preform them but I swear this remains an ability issue for me. I don't know how I would feel about the rituals...what value I would place on them...and I have wondered in dream states how much longer I'm going to allow myself to be puzzled by this.

The structure I've built for myself has been more make-shift as pertains to the rituals due to how much of a mystery it all actually is. For all I knew/know...perhaps I would suddenly come to understand what chore needed to be preformed when. Perhaps it was entirely possible I might spontaneously figure out where I should place the dessert fork so no one felt like the world was coming to an end or what colors I should wear on what dates in order to trick everyone into believing I'm not merely a common whore (<-okay I totally made that up.) I've vaguely understood for a while now that I need the solid foundation of choice and need to reframe this in my mind and let go.

Thanks so much Rex!!!

 

[julesiscools]

Why can't I find anything about my stellium in Capricorn and the 9th house with Saturn, Uranus and Neptune? What does it mean?

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I don't know what any of this means. I read the descriptions and I would say maybe about 2/3 applies to me.

 

[Starry]

Are people reading stelliums as 3 planets in the same sign or house? Is that the general understanding of those participating in this thread? It has always been 4 or more = a stellium in my understanding due to the fact it is not all that uncommon to have say Mercury, Venus, Sun together but...

Why can't I find anything about my stellium in Capricorn and the 9th house with Saturn, Uranus and Neptune? What does it mean?

Hey julesiscools! I haven't done this in a while but unless there has been some technological breakthrough I don't know about in the last couple of years... you won't be able to find anything describing your specific grouping of planets. But that's actually the exciting thing about it because this is the perfect place for someone new to astrology to start werkin it out...like putting together the pieces of your own puzzle.

What is a stellium...? It is going to represent some sort of major focus or obsession in your life.

I would open a doc and start cutting and pasting descriptions that speak to you. (If it were me I would focus on Capricorn last because you are dealing with three outer planets and they have a tendency to rock their own gravity systems...)

What is Uranus about?
What is Saturn about?
What does Neptune tell us?

now what aspects of life does the 9th house deal with?

What does Uranus do in the 9th? etc.

What is the meaning of Uranus conjunct Saturn?
What is the meaning of Saturn conjunct Neptune?
What is the meaning of Uranus conjunct Neptune?...

and so forth...

 

[violet_crown]

You mean to tell me that there has been a story with livers eating other livers in it around this whole time and I didn't know anything about it???? I'm also realizing that I don't really remember Chiron's story/myth anymore in spite of having heard it more than once. Pfft asteroids oh well.

I actually started choking up a little bit reading what you wrote. I had no idea this was the meaning...but this most definitely reflects my understanding of wounds.

It was an eagle. I have no Si.

I feel like I want to go out to coffee with you for 20 hours. You seem quite a bit further along in this process than I am and while it is still so difficult for me in this instance to sweep up all the impressions and glimpses into the "reason dustpan" because while I'm actually ok with sweeping itself and find it kinda relaxing...I fucking hate bending over and trying to get a pile of crap into the dustpan and you are knocking shit off tables with the long handle of the broom and you've got that line of crap that remains and so you need to keep moving the dustpan back...

I've had the vague impression before that I'm delayed in this regard because I've never been able to formulate an opinion with regards to the mundane rituals. I know they seem real important to so many people. I know all too well what it is like to be judged on the basis of having actually made a choice not to preform them but I swear this remains an ability issue for me. I don't know how I would feel about the rituals...what value I would place on them...and I have wondered in dream states how much longer I'm going to allow myself to be puzzled by this.

The structure I've built for myself has been more make-shift as pertains to the rituals due to how much of a mystery it all actually is. For all I knew/know...perhaps I would suddenly come to understand what chore needed to be preformed when. Perhaps it was entirely possible I might spontaneously figure out where I should place the dessert fork so no one felt like the world was coming to an end or what colors I should wear on what dates in order to trick everyone into believing I'm not merely a common whore (<-okay I totally made that up.) I've vaguely understood for a while now that I need the solid foundation of choice and need to reframe this in my mind and let go.

Thanks so much Rex!!!

I don't try anymore. I just orient towards situations and people where my inability to grasp these things is not as much of an issue. People take it as a "fuck you" far more often than they should. I blame Pluto sitting on my Midheaven.

I'll never figure it out, though. I ask questions because sometimes understanding what the purpose of the rituals are helps me to remember them. Otherwise, I don't even notice that I've missed something.

We're definitely getting coffee someday, Starry.

ETA: [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]

Re: stelliums: I've seen 3+ count. Hers seems to be the generational pow wow of outer planets that most of us born between 1988-1990 have. Mercury is in sign but wayyy out of orb. I didn't look close enough to see whether the pow wow hits anything important.

 

[Starry]

It was an eagle. I have no Si.





I don't try anymore. I just orient towards situations and people where my inability to grasp these things is not as much of an issue. People take it as a "fuck you" far more often than they should. I blame Pluto sitting on my Midheaven.

I'll never figure it out, though. I ask questions because sometimes understanding what the purpose of the rituals are helps me to remember them. Otherwise, I don't even notice that I've missed something.

We're definitely getting coffee someday, Starry.

ETA: [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]

Re: stelliums: I've seen 3+ count. Hers seems to be the generational pow wow of outer planets that most of us born between 1988-1990 have. Mercury is in sign but wayyy out of orb. I didn't look close enough to see whether the pow wow hits anything important.

*you're here*


(I like to limit the amount of work I do so my heartbeat only rises when I see some crazy combo of 4 horsemen...and yes, I'm making that up as well except for the work part as you know. )

 

[violet_crown]

*you're here*


(I like to limit the amount of work I do so my heartbeat only rises when I see some crazy combo of 4 horsemen...and yes, I'm making that up as well except for the work part as you know. )

As a point of comparison, I'm sharing my cousin's chart that I randomly pulled the other day.

She's ESTJ. 4.0 premed on a full ride at a top tier school. Queen Bee of her sorority. 100% unadulterated Capricorn. She has some incidental things happening in fixed signs. Chiron gently brought into the fold by trine. None of them distract from all the Capricorn happening in this child's chart. She's intense as fuck.

 

[Forever]

I relate to Gary Oldman by common sun moon ascending and mid heaven. Not bad.

I share common sun and ascending with Miranda Kerr and Kate Hudson and Jennifer Garner

OMG that makes a whole lot of sense. I really LOVE MK and JG! Ahhh. c:

 

[Ghost]

Sorry it took me a while to respond. Was waiting until I got to my computer because making posts on the phone sucks.

You need to become a famous artist that does commissioned work. <-And no, I'm not exaggerating.

Fuck, that would be ideal. Working independently yet creatively.

I'm looking at your 2nd, 6th and 10th houses for a snapshot on "career stuff" and it's all looking real good to me. I mean, if I had to guess based on what I see in your chart...I would imagine a person that knew exactly what they wanted to do. I would imagine an individual that knew the answer...that had the sum but knew nothing of *the equation*. "What do I need to do to get there?" which is probably what you are saying with "Like difficulties in getting stuff done and how to address that"

That's my basic problem in life, which makes me feel spoiled and undeservedly lucky. My main weakness is my own inertia rather than outside obstacles. I do know exactly what I want to do and the methods I'll use for doing it. But the act itself, making the leap, that's the issue. It's like I have the plan, but not the plan for getting to the plan.

As a fellow NFP united in solidarity let me ask you this... Which do you think came first for you...NFP or Taurus ruling your 6th House? Okay, I'm sorta kidding but the 6th house rules a variety of odds and ends including *the equation*. The 6th house is providing a safe haven for things like..."daily chores", routine, organization, details, service, work like laundry and dishes that just goes on and on and on and on and on... You probably don't know what Chiron is but the fact you don't have it in the 6th house like I do is well... you are NFP blessed fyi.

Well, now I'm curious. What would be some differences between having Taurus and Chiron in the sixth house? Is it possible to have both, and if so, would that person implode?

Having the Bull as commander and chief of that house...(Taurus)...that could be your best friend forever or work against your ability to establish a meaningful career at every turn...it's 100% up to you which way you go with that. <-Seeing you didn't know that though and in light of your questions I'm going to assume Taurus is choosing the path of least resistance right now and is currently napping in the pasture like he do.

That bastard. I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

Thanks a lot for doing this, [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]. It's intriguing stuff and makes me interested in learning more about reading natal charts.

Well your Mercury is in Leo which explains this exact post.

Well, now I feel like a transparent dork.

 

[Starry]

That's my basic problem in life, which makes me feel spoiled and undeservedly lucky. My main weakness is my own inertia rather than outside obstacles. I do know exactly what I want to do and the methods I'll use for doing it. But the act itself, making the leap, that's the issue. It's like I have the plan, but not the plan for getting to the plan.

Well, now I'm curious. What would be some differences between having Taurus and Chiron in the sixth house? Is it possible to have both, and if so, would that person implode?

Having joked early on with regards to "NFP" and "Taurus Rulership in the 6th House" may have worked to cancel out what followed.

Make no mistake about it...6th House Taurus is a damn good placement. This is naturally Virgo's piece of real estate... And so with Taurus and Virgo both being Earth signs... Taurus has what it takes to homestead the hell out of that property. Taurus feels at home there.

The only difference as it pertains to what we are discussing is that while Virgo is known around town as being a *self-starter*...Taurus has yet to develop that same reputation and okay yah he never will. Taurus is a fixed sign. Once he gets going he is unstoppable... but as a domesticated animal he ain't doing shit other than day-dreaming in the sun until you tell him otherwise...do you see?

Taurus is telling us that 'the plan to get to the plan' is just something we convince ourselves is needed so we can feel okay about remaining fixed and unchanged and sun-bathing. Taurus is telling us that 'the plan to get to the plan' is to abandon the notion that such a plan exists. There is no leap to be made. All that needs to be done is getting our 1,700 pound body off the warm, comfortable ground and start walking slowly towards the horizon...figuring out what works and what doesn't work as we go.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Let's get some love for Aquarius up in here.

 

[Ghost]

Thank you for expanding on that, [MENTION=10082]Starry[/MENTION]. It echoes things I've heard from various sources, basically about getting off my ass, rolling up my sleeves, and getting my hands dirty instead of chewing the cud and waiting for stuff to happen.

 

[violet_crown]

For funsies, I want to hear opinions/interpretations on my chart by people who are more into astrology than me. (Which isn't saying much since I'm not into Astrology any more than as a passing curiosity for funsies.)

I'm working on something for someone in PM right now. Once I'm done, I can offer you an interpretation if there's a specific area you'd want me to cover.

Let's get some love for Aquarius up in here.

I have four people I know who are born on Feburary 18, 1988. I have a completely irrational adoration for all of them. Really neat people.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I'm working on something for someone in PM right now. Once I'm done, I can offer you an interpretation if there's a specific area you'd want me to cover.




I have four people I know who are born on Feburary 18, 1988. I have a completely irrational adoration for all of them. Really neat people.

So it's really odd (this reminded me) both my parents are also Aquarius. My poor Scorpio sister was always the odd one out in the family. My maternal grandmother is also one. I'm not sure if there's a reason that sign is so common in my family

 

[Dr Mobius]

I'm glad it resonated and I hope there's something helpful in it. You asked a really good question, so there was a lot to work with.

Sorry about the incredibly late reply; I messed up the deadlines on a few things, and have been racing around getting my house in order. As for the quality of the question I'll blame that on Fortuna's fickle nature not on any understanding on my part.

On one level, it's like a word problem. Given this, solve for this. I looked for aspects in your chart that might impact your relationship with your intellectual ability, made a list, then tried to understand what those aspects might make together.

On another level, reading is a very intuitive thing. Sometimes understanding kind of comes to you as you work through the question that wasn't obvious at the outset. Even which aspects to select is somewhat guided in this way. There will be aspects that want to be in the mix, even though I don't really get why at the outset. Things tend to unfold in the moment. You show your work as much as possible, and either the person knows what you're talking about or they don't lol.

Fascinating so it's kind of like those word puzzles where meaning is drawn from the first observed word; only you can see all the words, information overload. It must make it extremely difficult if the person is unknown. At this point I would ask more question, but I'm a tad pissed and seeing exactly how far through the bottle I can get. #destressing

Okay [MENTION=10550]Dr Mobius[/MENTION]

I'm not entirely sure why I'm suddenly mentioning the enneagram in every post I create on astrology wtf? Um just to be clear I never do this...so I'm thinking it's merely the site...(I hope so.) But when trying to figure out how to explain *missing air* to you I kept imagining a young boy Dr. Mobius creating some piece of art or invention or other creation...and once finished turning right around and destroying it for not being "good enough". <-I mean, this is a 7 (and 4) challenge.. Especially when we are children... we are overly optimistic when it comes to envisioning all that is possible...we over-estimate our own abilities...etc. And so when what we had thought would be the Taj Mahal of kid creations turns into something far more mundane... this is confusing and disappointing and we are in danger during those moments of incorrectly assigning blame to our abilities instead of our temperament. And what we made might have been fairly exceptional for a young child...but it wasn't the Taj Mahal. <- I was under the impression this young boy Dr Mobius image was telling your *air* story and had it not been for that Mercury void comment...I might have made a fool of myself trying to work the two together.

I haven't done this in a while...Astrology. My books are in storage boxes or have been lost to the 'on loan to a friend' book losing phenomenon. I wanted to be sure of Sun square Pluto in your chart because it's potentially a big deal and without my normal stuff was put in a position I had to google it. And here's what the first thing I clicked on said:



^Am I a psychic? Obviously. I'm so obviously psychic in fact...I don't even need to tell an amateur story like this in order to prove it.

No, I'm telling you this thing in the off chance it means anything to you. Because this is the image that came up for you...but none of it makes sense to me regardless of what it is applied to. But maybe it will make sense to you. (I don't see this in you but maybe you will see this in you and understand why).

The part of Sun square Pluto that I do recognize in you is having a difficult time enjoying when times are good because you don't want to be taken off guard by them suddenly turning bad. <-Which to me is totally a 7 thing

I understand using enneagram terminology; I was reading up on Chiron after you mentioned it, and the childhood description where reminiscent of Naranjo's portraits. Your depiction of a e7 child is incredibly flattering, but roughly accurate........... I wouldn't read too much into the Mercury comment as that would imply a greater understanding then I possess.

As for the Sun Pluto aspect; Innately no it isn't me..... but from a cultural background it does bear some merit. In my country and very much in my particular background there is an obsession with what I term as pragmatic practicism. I know it sounds like a tautology; but the pragmatic aspect is over arching, to do with limited resources and cost/benefit use. If you overuse resources at one point, somewhere else suffers. Even as resources have grown abundant the attitude has solidified, and for males at least become an objective metric of worth. A quest for minimalist perfection. So by nature I reject but by nurture...... it is a familiar feeling.

If you have anything else you want to tell me, I mean if you want to focus 100% of your attention on me Starry, I would be totally okay with that.

 

[Agent Washington]

I have a really specific question. What do you guys think about a Neptune-Pluto-Chiron Yod? Chiron is the planet that points in this Yod, and it points specifically to my first house. Along with a Tsquare Mars-Jupiter-Pluto, pointing at Jupiter?

 

[Starry]

If you have anything else you want to tell me, I mean if you want to focus 100% of your attention on me Starry, I would be totally okay with that.

Your math seems off to me. I already focus on you 100%...so do you mean 110% of my focus?

How giving 110% is actually possible

I would be totally okay with that.


No, I fear I was so confusing in what I wrote...especially since I was attempting to communicate something that had nothing to do with astrology and I felt a bit weird explaining it all which made my explanation even weirder.

I'll get it worked out here and get you something decent because I love dedicating 110% to studying you 110%