Why are men more independent than women?

[nonsequitur]

so you admit sexist trolling? interesting.... I wonder if the mod squad will show their unbiased nature and respond in unbiased fashion, or just obvious efforts at pot stirring trolling continue without consequence?

I don't believe the OP was designed to "piss women off". I see why it would, but that does not appear to be the intent.

Absolutely, the intention was to reflect back to the OP the way in which their post was read. Whether the OP intended to piss people off or not doesn't matter, does it? If my intention to reflect wasn't meant in seriousness, and you want to apply unbiased moderation, I'm more than happy to take an infraction alongside the OP.

 

[nonsequitur]

I think of it more as "presexualizing"

I think it's done to girls and boys, yes.

The question is if you want to equate human aesthetics to sexuality - and I don't think they are equivalent. But that's a completely separate discussion.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

The question is if you want to equate human aesthetics to sexuality - and I don't think they are equivalent. But that's a completely separate discussion.

Do you see the two at least overlapping, or no?

 

[Lark]

Granted, the whole inspiration for this thread came from a conspiracy lecture, but it's something I've noticed among people in general.

Men are generally more self-sufficient and more supportive of radical freedom, while women tend to be more "statist", and more in favor of policies and organizations that take care of others (while men might take a more hard-nosed, bootstrapping approach). Women seek to be cared for and loved, while men seek to be in control and independent.

The main question: why? It is purely cultural? Or is there some innate reason for it?

Yeah because Margaret Thatcher was a total out and out statist.

 

[nonsequitur]

Do you see the two at least overlapping, or no?

Not at all. But I also recognise that I'm not typical or representative of most of the population. I experience romantic attraction separate from physical attraction separate from mating/bonding/pairing drive. I do objectively note when individuals (male or female) have a very aesthetically pleasing shape, and respect them for taking the time to work on their bodies. That doesn't mean that I would want to sleep with them.

At the same time, I'm also aware that male arousal takes place primarily via visual stimuli, which leads to many males equating the two.

 

[Lark]

Because woman always think about companionship. For men that stops with age 30.

As a 38 year old male I'm afraid I'm going to disagree, even your avatar's got companionship as a theme, it was the whole purpose of Dogmeat existing in the Fallout universe.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Not at all. But I also recognise that I'm not typical or representative of most of the population. I experience romantic attraction separate from physical attraction separate from mating/bonding/pairing drive. I do objectively note when individuals (male or female) have a very aesthetically pleasing shape, and respect them for taking the time to work on their bodies. That doesn't mean that I would want to sleep with them.

At the same time, I'm also aware that male arousal takes place primarily via visual stimuli, which leads to many males equating the two.

That's actually very similar to how I view aesthetics in men and women...appreciating the form but not usually as a potential object of my sexual desire. I think even if I'm looking at a beautiful woman in a revealing outfit, it's difficult to imagine doing something with her without some conscious effort on my part, but I certainly can appreciate the form and understand why she might be sexually appealing.

I'm an oddball in that way; there needs to be an intellectual connection to spark the sexual interest. I doubt my experience is true for most men, but I don't know what most men think.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

As a 38 year old male I'm afraid I'm going to disagree, even your avatar's got companionship as a theme, it was the whole purpose of Dogmeat existing in the Fallout universe.

I think he was referring to sexual companionship. I think that need varies from man to man. Some are seeking that companionship well into their old age, others experience a sharp decline in that need as they enter middle adulthood.

Dogmeat was more or less a pointless companion (killed too easily, I prefer Lily from the New Vegas game as my favorite fallout companion), so I agree he existed solely to stem players' loneliness. Fallout 3 was an especially desolate and lonely experience compared to the other entries I've played.

 

[Poki]

Granted, the whole inspiration for this thread came from a conspiracy lecture, but it's something I've noticed among people in general.

Men are generally more self-sufficient and more supportive of radical freedom, while women tend to be more "statist", and more in favor of policies and organizations that take care of others (while men might take a more hard-nosed, bootstrapping approach). Women seek to be cared for and loved, while men seek to be in control and independent.

The main question: why? It is purely cultural? Or is there some innate reason for it?

Business is as entangled as politics

 

[Tilt]

[MENTION=5076]nonsequitur[/MENTION]: The OP's threads/posts are almost always highly negative and defeatist about how she isn't good enough so this thread is an extension of that. I doubt the intent is to be sexist though.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

Granted, the whole inspiration for this thread came from a conspiracy lecture, but it's something I've noticed among people in general.

Men are generally more self-sufficient and more supportive of radical freedom, while women tend to be more "statist", and more in favor of policies and organizations that take care of others (while men might take a more hard-nosed, bootstrapping approach). Women seek to be cared for and loved, while men seek to be in control and independent.

The main question: why? It is purely cultural? Or is there some innate reason for it?

The men I've dated follow me around like a tail. They might as well be doing chores n' stuff for me since they have nothing better to do. I figure it makes them feel powerful and needed, so it is a good deal for them.

 

[evilrubberduckie]

S0eak for yourself. Im independent as fuck. People are dumbasses. Trust no one.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

S0eak for yourself. Im independent as fuck. People are dumbasses. Trust no one.

Is fuck independent? Masturbation is.

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

S0eak for yourself. Im independent as fuck. People are dumbasses. Trust no one.

Are you liberal?

 

[Poki]

.

 

[evilrubberduckie]

Are you liberal?

No.

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Is fuck independent? Masturbation is.

Fuck has more then one meaning.

 

[Poki]

No.

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Fuck has more then one meaning.

Depends on perception, does your hand get you off, or do you fuck your hand.

 

[ThaumaturgicTheorist]

[MENTION=5076]nonsequitur[/MENTION]: The OP's threads/posts are almost always highly negative and defeatist about how she isn't good enough so this thread is an extension of that. I doubt the intent is to be sexist though.

Yeah. And? It's not to be sexist. And it's not a troll.

They're not. Talk only, lots of posturing and macho nonsense but they seldom get stuff done. When shit gets hard, detailed policy needs to be formed and sacrifices need to be made, they run. Especially if they get no open recognition and there's no chance of being called a hero.

From what I'd been listening to, this is a recent phenomenon. Generations ago, it was completely natural for men to step up and follow through out of duty when the going got hard - that's what being a man meant. To run was/is weak and dishonorable. It's only the last couple of "feminized" generations of men that have lost touch with the independent spirit, so some claim.

Likewise, and the thing I keep wondering, is why no one will criticize women for these same failures?

 

[evilrubberduckie]

Depends on perception, does your hand get you off, or do you fuck your hand.

Why am I limited to either or? Why not both?

 

[Yuurei]

I don't why most women prefer those things but I certainly do not. My freedom and independence is the most important thing to me.
Yeah, I'm married but he respects my independance and doesn't ask questions when I go out all day. It just wouldn't work otherwise. To be honest just having someone else in the house all day is the closest to anxiety I feel.