Owfin
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- Joined
- Dec 18, 2011
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- MBTI Type
- ISTJ
- Enneagram
- 6w7
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/sx
My ISTJ friend and I always have good conversations. Basically, we just debate things we disagree on, but in a lighthearted manner. He's really stubborn and narrow-minded in his beliefs, so I'm never able to convince him, but it's still fun to try. I suppose I'm equally stubborn, but I at least understand (or try to understand) why he thinks that, while he doesn't seem to do that at all.
But he can never tell when I'm joking, since I always joke with a serious tone and a straight face. And I can never tell whether he truly believes what he's saying or not since his reasons are always so stupid.
Edit: And by "stupid," I don't mean ridiculous or invalid, but just that they're not really well-thought out. Basically, he believes people shouldn't do certain things because they're bad things to do. He believes they're bad to do simply because they're bad. That's why he's impossible to convince - but it's still fun debating with him.
The same way that you most likely do not tell him why you think he is stubborn and narrow minded, he does not tell you about his personal reservations. I am not of course saying that he thinks negatively of you; how am I to know? But he most likely will not reveal to you it either way unless you asked.
Do you ask him to justify right on the spot though? It takes time for me to sort through my thoughts on something and revalidate it. In big discussions, I like keeping around a piece of paper to get my ideas down well. In a few seconds, he will be able only to tell you his overall big judgement. On a given issue, I have almost a mental outline of my thoughts. A bullet point list, if you will. With lots of subheadings and such.
I am still stumped by this "most of the population is an S" thing. It seems like a pretty even split to me.
I feel the same way a lot of the time, but as most people in my life are not confirmed any type, I can't be sure. And the people I know close enough to guess seem to be split fairly evenly between S/N, but as that is a selected group, it would not be fair to use it as a general estimate.
You only have to go to the Popular Culture and Type thread to see how often intuitors mistype people and characters as N, simply because they think they're smart, insightful, interesting and/or is someone they identify with. In other words, they will believe that person is an intuitor before they would imagine that they could admire or relate that much to a sensor - which is just plain idiotic.
I have a tendency to identify people as Si-Ne and Ne-Si types a lot because it is easier for me to grasp than Se-Ni and Ni-Se. But I think that it's just a little bias of mine, and I don't identify people with traits I like as a particular type. I may have very slight bias against SPs, but that is about it. And it seems to be due more to ignorance on my part than anything else.