Okay, what happened here was that I wrote a huge reply to Little Linguist, which my computer promptly deleted for no good reason, which annoyed me to the point that I avoided the thread for a long time after...
So I apologize.
Here's a reply, for realz this time:
In my classes, I try to emphasize people 'discovering things' for themselves, and I'm there to give a 'helping hand' when necessary. Let me give you a concrete example:
I have a class where I'm doing Office Skills. Since this is a very practical class, I have to present it in a practical way, really. So I think we can't just talk about stuff; we have to do something constructive. So I often have classes with the theory and homework with the practice. That of course means that I have a crap-load of work because I have to correct a lot of stuff, but I find this really gives the best of both worlds. Sometimes in class, we have telephoning role plays or filling out forms together, things like that. We also have a lot of discussions and partner/group work to spice things up a bit. I try not to have the same ol' routine every time.
One criticism that I get - and that's why I'm writing you because I think that it's an SJ problem that you could provide some good insight on - is that I'm not 'clear' or 'structured' enough. Now I *think* I'm really structured, except on off-days when I am kind of not having a too-good grasp on my Te, but they obviously don't. So I'm wondering: what do you expect in terms of structure.
See, I'm a bit worried about spelling everything out before we even start, because I'd think that'd take the fun out of discovering it on your own. Besides, I don't want to make people feel like it's a kindergarten class by telling them everything step by step when it's college.
But maybe I've been going about it the wrong way, so I'd appreciate any feedback you'd be willing to give.
If I were your student, I would really like you
Everything you've said has sounded like your class would be really fun and your students would learn a lot. My only concern is the bolded; if you said that on the first day of class, when talking about your expectations etc, I would immediately start worrying that I wouldn't figure everything out. What if I got left behind? What if I totally missed the point of the class?? What if my grades sucked and I had no idea how to fix them, and the professor (i.e. you) told me to figure it out on my own?
Of course, that entire concern would be moot if I were naturally good at the topic. But if I wasn't, and if I struggled with the concepts, that would be where I'd start to worry. Also: you seem like the sort of professor who would make yourself very available for questions whenever needed, and would help people if they were having trouble, and that's really what matters most.
(big baby when he's sick! He wanted me to drive him to the doctor
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'Cuz he's a man.
[YOUTUBE="VbmbMSrsZVQ"]Man Cold[/YOUTUBE]
"For god's sake, woman! He's a man! He's got a man cold!"
From my perspective, I expect to wait at walk-ins. To his benefit, the staff did seem a bit unorganized with time management but it was something that wouldn't bother me at all but that got his Fi going.
I wonder if he'd been to a walk-in clinic before that didn't have as long a wait? I mean, I figure that there must have been some kind of precedent that he was expecting it to follow. Of course, the man cold had something to do with it too
But still.
I think your Fi is doing the big motivation things, while Te goes around with the day to day practical things. Fi decides what you want, Te decides on how to get it. Because you're a Te-dom, I expect you to be more at ease with (talking about) practical problems and tasks rather than about the meaning of life. Does that sound about right?
It definitely sounds right. And the bolded is exactly why I have such a hard time separating a Te example from an Fi example.
I just now found this. :hi:
Anyways, I figured it all out. He is a really awkward sp/so. He's also very traditional and Catholic, and constantly trying to "prove" his masculinity. He also is district manager of what else? A tire store. While I find it all annoying, he's not a bad person. We're just VERY different lol..... and I met his comment with distaste.
Ah, yes, that makes sense.
Glad it got figured out!
Hi guys... a question that i already placed in the chat... but would like to hear some more about it if you will
How fond are ESTJ's of responsibility "and" self-responsibility?
Please give examples of how you see you deal with responsibility and what moves you to be it that way.
Thanks
Well, I don't know if we're "fond" of it... I don't know about other ESTJs, but I can resent my responsibilities and feel trapped by them as much as anyone. But the thing about ESTJs (and ISTJs, too), is that we recognize that there are things that we HAVE to do. Those things could be based on precedent (Si) or values (Fi), but either way, we use our Te to make sure they get done.
Example: My grandmother died a couple of months ago. I was away at school and far from home. I called my mom and told her that if she needed me at the funeral, I would buy a plane ticket and skip school so I could go. I made this offer because I thought it was my responsibility as a daughter and as a granddaughter to do that (Fi), and also because I figured that based on other people I knew whose grandparents had died, it was what grandchildren were supposed to do (Si). But my mom talked me out of it, with a lot of reassurance and almost telling me that she didn't want me there, because she wanted me to be in school.
EDIT: I'm also not sure what you mean by "self-responsibility"?
I'm curious now.
