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so what's real?

miss fortune

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Yeezus. Yeah, same boat here.

The whole experience gets you thinking all existentially about the nature of the self, doesn't it?

I figured that the best way around it is to realize (or perceive) that 'identity' is simply a construct, a useful tool to define what 'I' am because defining 'I' is pretty damn important in navigating the world. The question of 'me' and 'not me' gets tossed out the window; or, at least, it's permeable.

To the extent that the question's important, though, from an objective perspective, I'd say that the unmedicated me is the 'real me.' Am I a different person when I take a tab of LSD? How about getting an adrenaline rush? Being exhausted? And.. ... other examples that muck around with brain chemistry?

But it's a much better exercise to think of the medicated oneself as the 'real me.' People talk about 'the new me' when they've overcome some life hurdle, no? It's motivating. It's positive. It's not a delusion, either; it's just a matter of perspective.

I tend to look at things as a continuity as opposed to different little boxes, which is all fine and dandy when you're NOT trying to think about "is" and other such monolithic words

it kind of comes down to where lines are drawn or if they can be or should be in a way, I guess :thinking: perhaps I'm confusing myself... or overthinking things.

there's the whole thing about how who you are hasn't changed... you still have the same types of stances on things and tend to like and dislike the same stuff (no matter what I've ingested, eating mushrooms hasn't seemed like a good idea... even when I tried to eat "special" mushrooms, which were just as hideous as one would imagine a fungus might be) and you still inhabit the same body, but then again your goals may change and you may behave differently

I guess quitting drinking had a larger impact on goals and behavior in general... the more broad, lifesweeping types of decisions. The growing lack of desire to go and socialize, the feel of not actually needing to rebuild a social structure and a tendency to withdraw for days on occasion because of uncertainty as to what to say, or just plain feeling no need to respond at the time. and a need to actually do something with my life to make up for doing all the wrong things. kind of like hitting an existential crisis and then just deciding to relax. not really depressed... it's odd because I actually feel happier this way than before, more relaxed in just accepting what life is in a way

and I'm rambling again there :laugh:

and then add on medication and there's a focus to all of that... take what that gave and then add on the ability to actually focus

needless to say, I suck at communication
 

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What I do not like in contemporary society.

There are so many things in contemporary society that I dislike that it is difficult to decide with which particular complaint to begin. But the fact is, it does not really matter, because it is quite clear that all the things I dislike are only various facets of the structure of modern industrial society; they form a syndrome, and all go back to the same root: the structure of industrial society, both in its capitalist and its soviet form.

The first dislike I want to mention is the fact that everything and almost everybody is for sale. Not only commodities and services, but ideas, art, books, persons, convictions, a feeling, a smile - they all have been transformed into commodities. And so is the whole man, with all his faculties and potentialities.

From this follows something else: fewer and fewer people can be trusted. Not necessarily do I mean this in the crude sense of dishonesty in business or underhandedness in personal relations, but in something that goes much deeper. Being for sale, how can one be trusted to be the same tommorrow as on is today? How do I know who he is, in whom I should put my trust? Just that he will not murder or rob me? This, indeed, is reassuring, but it is not much of a trust.

This is, of course, another way of saying that ever fewer people have convictions by conviction I mean an opinion rooted in the preson's character, in the total personality, and which therefore motivates action. I do not mean simply an idea that remains central and can be easily changed.

Another point is closely related to the former: the older generation tends to have a character that is very much shaped by the conventional patterns and by the need for successful adaptation. Many of the younger generation tend to have no character at all. By that I do not mean that they are dishonest; on the contrary, one of the few enjoyable things in the modern world is the honesty of the greater part of the younger generation. What I mean is that they live, emotionally and intellectually speaking, from hand to mouth. They satisfy every need immediately, have little patience to learn, cannot easily endure frustration, and have no centre within themselves, no sense of identity. They suffer from this and question themselves, their identity, and the meaning of life.

Some psychologists have made a virtue out of this lack of identity. They say that these young people have a "Protean Character", striving for everything, not bound by anything. But this is only a more poetic way of speaking about the lack of self that BF Skinner's "human engineering", according to which man is what he is conditioned to be.

I dislike, too, the general boredom and lack of joy. Most people are bored because they are not interested in what they are doing, and our industrial system is not interested in having them be interested in their work. They hope for more amusement [than the older generation had] is supposed to be the only incentive that is necessary to compensate them for their boring work. But their leisure and amusement time, however, is boring. It is just as much managed by the amusement industry as working time is managed by the industrial plant. People look for pleasure and excitement, instead of joy; for power and property, instead of growth. The want to have much, and use much, instead of being much.

They are more attached to the dead and mechanical than to life and living processes. I have called this attraction to that which is not alive, using the words of Miguel De Unamuno, "necrophilia" and the attraction to all that is alive, "biophilia". In spite of all the emphasis on pleasure, our society produces more and more necrophilia and less and less love of life. All this leads to great boredome, which is only superficially compensated by constantly changing stimuli. The less these stimuli permit a truly alive and active interest, the more frequently they have to be changed, since it is a biological given fact that repeated "flat" stimuli soon become monotonous.

What I dislike most is summed up in the description in Greek mythology of the "Iron Race" the Greeks saw emerging. This description is - according to Hesiod's Erga (lines 132 - 42) - as follows: "As generations pass, they grow worse. A time will come when they have grown so wicked that they will worship power; might will be right to them and reverence for the good will cease to be at last, when no man is angry anymore at wrongdoing or feels shame in the prescence of the miserable, Zeus will destroy them too. And yet even then something might be done, if only the common people would rise and put down rulers who oppress them".

I cannot conclude without saying that, in spite of all this, I am not hopeless. We are in the midst of a process in which many people are beginning to dive up their illusions, and, as Marx once said, to give up illusions is the condition for giving up circumstances that require illusions.

P.38-41, On Being Human Erich Fromm, Continuum Publishing Company, 1994
 

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That's not my essay, that's Fromm's but its about the sort of faux character thing I saw mentioned in this thread and another on intuitive types versus sensing types.

I think Fromm has a point, although he thought that social character and social expectations, particularly unconscious ones, were the big factor as opposed to drugs, prescription or otherwise, I tend to think of them both, perhaps it wasnt a thing back in Fromm's time.
 

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Everybody's always changing. I'm not the same person I was 5 years ago, or 10 years ago. We go through experiences, meet people, have remarkable life events that give us a new perspective.

I got married 8 months ago. First met my wife 3.4 years ago. I am a MUCH different person now than I was back then. When you spend tons of time with someone, it changes you.

I'm sure most of us have had that 1 person we met, or that 1 terrible or amazing event that happened that just changed us forever. Which would be a pretty interesting new forum thread.....

So to answer your question, [MENTION=1180]whatever[/MENTION] , of course you're the real you. By definition, whatever you are is the real you. You don't have to feel guilty, or ashamed. You are completely, unapologetically you. Everybody changes, everybody's always changing. People feel differently every day. People have different moods every hour. You taking ADHD medication is not much different than how everybody else changes. Nobody's really that static.

ALSO, one thing that MAY be helpful to you. My wife knows several people personally who had ADHD and used an organic herbal product, which helped a TON with it. I don't want this to be seen as advertising, so I'm not going to post a link, but you can PM me if you're curious.
 

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The best way to know is to ditch the drug.
 
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