[INTP] Would an INTP ever say this...

[INTJMom]

perhaps when he's middle-aged?


"…one increasingly feels the need for some kind of order among the chaotic multiplicity of points of view."

 

[JocktheMotie]

I don't see why not. Most points of view are wrong or stupid and aren't worth considering in the first place, yet we feel the need to assimilate everything at our disposal. Bringing a bit of order into the mix can't hurt. Even though I love chaos. Such a beautiful term, word, everything. And like they say, once you reach a certain level of chaos, patterns do begin to emerge.

 

[Totenkindly]

Why wouldn't an INTP say it ... especially if reaching middle age?

Just because one is open-minded and a P doesn't mean that some types of order are uniformedly shunned ... especially by someone interested in "clarity of thought." I get irked sometimes when there's a multiplicity of options being tossed out and all weighted equally regardless of merit; it's nice to get rid of the "noise" if possible.

 

[INTJMom]

I don't see why not. Most points of view are wrong or stupid and aren't worth considering in the first place, yet we feel the need to assimilate everything at our disposal. Bringing a bit of order into the mix can't hurt. Even though I love chaos. Such a beautiful term, word, everything. And like they say, once you reach a certain level of chaos, patterns do begin to emerge.

Thank you for that peek into the INTP mind.

Awesome superman avatar, btw.

 

[INTJMom]

Why wouldn't an INTP say it ... especially if reaching middle age?

Just because one is open-minded and a P doesn't mean that some types of order are uniformedly shunned ... especially by someone interested in "clarity of thought." I get irked sometimes when there's a multiplicity of options being tossed out and all weighted equally regardless of merit; it's nice to get rid of the "noise" if possible.

Thanks Jennifer.
I guess it struck me as something an INTJ would say.

 

[JocktheMotie]

Thank you for that peek into the INTP mind.

Awesome superman avatar, btw.

Well thank you! I still have the cape actually. And the shirt. Pants don't fit anymore though

 

[Totenkindly]

I think singular statements can't really be used as indicative of type.

This particular statement could be used along with a number of OTHER statements to suggest a particular pattern of thinking, but as a standalone it seems pretty open to interpretation.

And mid-life does really shake things up. People who are growing become more well-rounded and see value in other approaches depending on context...

Well thank you! I still have the cape actually. And the shirt. Pants don't fit anymore though

you're not wearing pants?

 

[INA]

Of course. We don't dislike order per se . . . only stupid/useless/stifling ones. Order is a way to weed through a jumble of the useless and useful and properly define and categorize them. We don't need to be old to appreciate this.

 

[nozflubber]

Silly question..... this is akin to asking whether or not an ISTJ would wear red Ronald McDonald shoes

 

[LostInNerSpace]

perhaps when he's middle-aged?


"…one increasingly feels the need for some kind of order among the chaotic multiplicity of points of view."

I don't know if I would say that, but it is certainly the kind of thing I might think about. I often think of bringing order to chaos, but never about applying it to points of view.

 

[Athenian200]

Thanks Jennifer.
I guess it struck me as something an INTJ would say.

Actually, I kind of doubt an INTJ would say that. In my experience, INTJs are more interested in bringing order to how things are done and their goals, rather than points of view. Ni likes multiple perspectives, but Te wants things to work efficiently. Ti would rather flatten them into a coherent system, though Ne would tend to look for the possibilities inherent in that system.

It's not as clear as you might think... INTPs have not only dominant Ti (which is still judgment though you don't see it), but tertiary Si. I imagine they can seem very J in many ways.

With Introverts, J and P make far less sense because of how Introverts tend to act outwardly in a manner that's the exact opposite of how they operate internally, although there's always bleed through.

 

[Willfrey]

perhaps when he's middle-aged?


"…one increasingly feels the need for some kind of order among the chaotic multiplicity of points of view."

I'd believe such a thing if it is impeding logical progress, say for instance in a situation where something would beneift thousands being held up or cancelled becuase it conflicts with a small group's wants/beliefs/whatever.

 

[Jack Flak]

I would never say it.

 

[Athenian200]

I would never say it.

True. But you're not Ti-Ne, you're an INTP with dominant Intuition. Quite a few INTPs say that they're INTPs because they think of themselves as Ti dominant. Which throws everything off.

 

[INTJMom]

I would never say it.

Are you just teasing me, or are you serious?

 

[INTJMom]

Actually, I kind of doubt an INTJ would say that. In my experience, INTJs are more interested in bringing order to how things are done and their goals, rather than points of view. Ni likes multiple perspectives, but Te wants things to work efficiently. Ti would rather flatten them into a coherent system, though Ne would tend to look for the possibilities inherent in that system.

It's not as clear as you might think... INTPs have not only dominant Ti (which is still judgment though you don't see it), but tertiary Si. I imagine they can seem very J in many ways.

With Introverts, J and P make far less sense because of how Introverts tend to act outwardly in a manner that's the exact opposite of how they operate internally, although there's always bleed through.

Since I am an INTJ and since I have been studying the INTJ type for over 18 years,
I felt qualified to make that statement.
Perhaps you are the one who is mistaken.

The statement made was one of wanting to close off options.

 

[ArchitectofFate]

lol why not, using chaos to bring order

 

[01011010]

Sure. Types are theoretically suppose to become more balanced with age.

 

[LostInNerSpace]

I just realized I do this all the time. I just never expressed it in those terms. That is what you do if you try to make sense of financial price data. Price is the concensous opinion of all participants in a given market market at any given time. Prices are too noisy to work with directly. You need some kind of a model to make working with the chaotic nature of price easier. One of the simplest models is just a moving average on the price.

 

[bloodyfungus]

perhaps when he's middle-aged?


"…one increasingly feels the need for some kind of order among the chaotic multiplicity of points of view."

No he'd never say that...













.....but he'd certainly think it

My dry humour alarm went off with this topic....almost as it was a plan to make INTPs argue about the complex subject matter whilst the questioner sits back with a knowing smile watching chaos ensue.....but I'm sure it wasn't really.........was it?