Why We Should Ban Psychiatry

[prplchknz]

Nah, would rather learn something productive

you'd be in the zoo as well all humans would be, and i think animals have better taste in tv than humans i mean maybe aliens but they're probably already watching us like reality tv to begin with

 

[Beargryllz]

1. Because psychiatrists frequently cause harm, permanent disabilities, death - death of the body-mind-spirit.

False. Medicine is used to heal, prevent disability, and prolong life.

2. Because psychiatrists frequently violate the Hippocratic Oath which orders all physicians "First Do No Harm."

False and irrelevant. The hippocratic oath has no legal or moral bearing for a number of reasons. All physicians violate the Hippocratic Oath out of necessity because the oath demands a physician refrain from using surgery, abortifacents, and a number of other essential, evidence-based procedures for the treatment of the patient.

3. Because psychiatrists patronize and disempower people, especially their patients.

False. Treating an illness *empowers* a person because they are now unburdened or less-burdened by pathology

4. Because psychiatry is not a medical science.

False. Medicine is evidence-based. It cannot exist independent of evidence or the scientific method.

5. Because psychiatry is quackery, a pseudo-science which lacks independent diagnostic tests,testable hypotheses, and cures for "schizophrenia" and all other types of alleged "mental illness" or "mental disorder".

False. A pseudo-scientific discipline cannot use evidence. Psychiatry is evidence-based and therefore should not be considered pseudo-science.

6. Because psychiatrists cannot accurately and reliably predict dangerousness, violence or any other type of human behaviour, yet make such claims as "expert witnesses", and with the media promote the "dangerous mental patient" myth/stereotype.

False. This is also evidence-based. Due to ethical restrictions, one cannot use RCTs to make these predictions. Despite using a lower tier of evidence, the process remains rooted in the scientific method

7. Because psychiatrists
have caused a worldwide epidemic of brain damage by promoting and prescribing brain-disabling treatments such as the neuroleptics, antidepressants, electroconvulsive brainwashing (electroshock), and psychosurgery lobotomy).

False. Neuroleptics, antidepressants, ECT, and lobotomy are used to *heal* the brain, nervous system, and improve the health of patients.

8. Because psychiatrists manufacture hundreds of "mental disorders" classified in its bible called "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (a modern witch-hunting manual); such "mental disorders" and "symptoms" are in fact negative, class-and-culturally-biased moral judgments for dissident ways of coping with personal problems and alternative ways of perceiving, interpreting or being in the world.

False. All disease names are inherently manufactured through the use of language. A syndrome, for example, is a constellation of symptoms. A heart attack or myocardial infarction is a decrease in blood supply to the heart sufficient to cause permanent cellular damage. This kind of pathology can easily be labeled using words in various languages. These are used for communication and make it very easy to convey an idea of what is happening to the patient.

9. Because psychiatrists, blinded by their medical model bias, fraudulently pathologize and label people's serious life or existential crises as "symptoms" of "mental illness" or "mental disorder" such as "schizophrenia", "bipolar affective disorder", and "personality disorder".

False. Fraud is not a part of medicine. Fraud is in the realm of crime, which is a separate discipline entirely.

10. Because psychiatrists compound this fraud by falsely claiming, without scientific proof, that these "mental disorders" are caused by a "biochemical imbalance" in the brain, genetic factors or "genetic predispositions", despite the fact that there are no genetic factors in "mental illness".

False. Genetic and lifestyle factors are confirmed via statistical methods to play a role in mental health.

11. Because psychiatrists frequently misinform their patients, families and the public by claiming that brain-disabling procedures such as the neurotoxins (e.g.,"antipsychotic medication" and "antidepressasnts"), electroconvulsive brainwashing (electroconvulsive therapy/"ECT"), psychosurgery (lobotomy) and other behaviour modification-mind control procedures are "safe, effective and lifesaving". The exact opposite is tragically true.

False. Misinforming the patient is not a part of medicine. Medicines used to treat patients are demonstrably effective and this is validated through statistical analysis of a control group VS a treatment group.

12. Because psychiatrists routinely deceive or lie to patients, prisoners, their families, and public.

False. A physician cannot deceive or lie to a patient, prisoner, their families, or the public.

13. Because psychiatrists routinely and willfully violate the medical-ethical principle of "informed consent" by misinforming or not informing their patients about the numerous toxic, disabling and frequently permanent effects of the neuroleptics such as memory loss, tardive dyskinesia, tardive psychosis, parkinsonism, dementia (all signs of brain damage), and death.

False. Informed consent is provided by the patient, not the physician. Whoever wrote this sentence does not understand the definition of informed consent.

14. Because psychiatrists routinely threaten, intimidate or coerce many patients - particularly women, children, the elderly, and prisoners - into consenting to health-threatening/brain-damag ing "treatment" such as the antidepressants, neuroleptics, electroconvulsive brainwashing, and hi-risk experiments.

False. Coercion cannot be used in the practice of medicine.

15. Because psychiatrists frequently fail to fully inform psychiatric inmates and prisoners about existing safe and humane, non-medical alternatives in the community such as survivor-controlled crisis centres, dropins, self-help or advocacy groups, diet, massage, wholistic medicine, affordable supportive housing, and jobs.

False. One's status as a prisoner has no relevance in the ethical delivery of care.

To summarize this, we now stand at 0/15 points in truthfulness. I give it an F-

 

[Bush]

To summarize this, we now stand at 0/15 points in truthfulness. I give it an F-

The link in the OP has about 10 more pieces of garbage for you to grade, too

 

[Lark]

The link in the OP has about 10 more pieces of garbage for you to grade, too

Is this trending in the US right now?

I saw some stuff on the news about it and the media were spinning that its going to be become the next big SJW style cause like gay marriage or something.

Its bound to be destabilising but besides that its also curious that these sorts of protest or ban movements, like the anti-vac protesters before it, all coincidentally save on public spending and have malthusian outcomes eventually too. No conspiracy just more insidious outcomes than most people think on.

 

[ThaumaturgicTheorist]

Someone here mentioned anti-psych being archaic, and I tend to believe that when I read their claims. Do people even do psychosurgery anymore, except in extreme cases? And one generally can't be, for example, committed to an institution for life unless it's as a criminal sentence.

The one issue that I think is legitimately contentious is the treatment of suicides and suicidal ideation. Just mentioning you're contemplating taking your own life can get the police on your doorstep and possibly result in you being held at a hospital. How valid this treatment is is wildly controversial, understandably so: it roots itself in our valuation of life (nihilism makes a great pro-suicide argument: if it's all for nothing, what does it matter if you die now or in 50 years? Why protect life if it's meaningless? There is so much thought about this by people over the years you could start a separate thread about it. I'll just leave the points that 1. meaning and meaninglessness are ultimately projections of our capacity of understanding and 2. we can't help but project meaning and value, even if we know it's subjective; and we generally value our own lives and desires, and that of those close to us or whom we identify with) and a poor understanding of what may be causing any one person to want to end theirs. Is it rational? In some cases it's really a "permanent solution to a temporary problem" and in others, it's really in response to a psychological equivalent of a terminal illness.

Others talk about the right and freedom to choose when one dies, which I think is a valid point, if kind of an empty one. Most people committing non-medically motivated suicide aren't doing it for that kind of abstract freedom but to escape pain they see as interminable and unbearable. Whether or not either of those can be fixed is a question, also how can we do so while respecting a person's integrity and dignity?

 

[Lark]

I think we should ban crime and terrorism.

 

[Dalamar]

1. Because psychiatrists frequently cause harm, permanent disabilities, death - death of the body-mind-spirit.

False. Medicine is used to heal, prevent disability, and prolong life.

Psychotropic drugs don't heal, and they are proven to shrink the brain and shorten life spans.

2. Because psychiatrists frequently violate the Hippocratic Oath which orders all physicians "First Do No Harm."

False and irrelevant. The hippocratic oath has no legal or moral bearing for a number of reasons. All physicians violate the Hippocratic Oath out of necessity because the oath demands a physician refrain from using surgery, abortifacents, and a number of other essential, evidence-based procedures for the treatment of the patient.

So it's okay to feed people expensive drugs that damage their brain and shorten their lives more than smoking?

3. Because psychiatrists patronize and disempower people, especially their patients.

False. Treating an illness *empowers* a person because they are now unburdened or less-burdened by pathology

I've never seen anyone empowered by a psychiatrist. Therapists tend to be less cancerous, but I've seen some get people committed for living in their fking car.

4. Because psychiatry is not a medical science.

False. Medicine is evidence-based. It cannot exist independent of evidence or the scientific method.

Once again you're ignorantly calling psychotropic drugs medicine. Psychiatry is not evidence based; hell even psychiatrists become anti psychiatrists.

5. Because psychiatry is quackery, a pseudo-science which lacks independent diagnostic tests,testable hypotheses, and cures for "schizophrenia" and all other types of alleged "mental illness" or "mental disorder".

False. A pseudo-scientific discipline cannot use evidence. Psychiatry is evidence-based and therefore should not be considered pseudo-science.

Nice circular "logic" there. The evidence has in fact largely turned chemical imbalance theory into a joke.

6. Because psychiatrists cannot accurately and reliably predict dangerousness, violence or any other type of human behaviour, yet make such claims as "expert witnesses", and with the media promote the "dangerous mental patient" myth/stereotype.

False. This is also evidence-based. Due to ethical restrictions, one cannot use RCTs to make these predictions. Despite using a lower tier of evidence, the process remains rooted in the scientific method

Ok, it was obvious that you're a troll at this point. Even psychiatrists have been complaining about this. Because they get held liable for not being all-seeing gods.

7. Because psychiatrists
have caused a worldwide epidemic of brain damage by promoting and prescribing brain-disabling treatments such as the neuroleptics, antidepressants, electroconvulsive brainwashing (electroshock), and psychosurgery lobotomy).

False. Neuroleptics, antidepressants, ECT, and lobotomy are used to *heal* the brain, nervous system, and improve the health of patients.

Nice joke.

8. Because psychiatrists manufacture hundreds of "mental disorders" classified in its bible called "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders" (a modern witch-hunting manual); such "mental disorders" and "symptoms" are in fact negative, class-and-culturally-biased moral judgments for dissident ways of coping with personal problems and alternative ways of perceiving, interpreting or being in the world.

False. All disease names are inherently manufactured through the use of language. A syndrome, for example, is a constellation of symptoms. A heart attack or myocardial infarction is a decrease in blood supply to the heart sufficient to cause permanent cellular damage. This kind of pathology can easily be labeled using words in various languages. These are used for communication and make it very easy to convey an idea of what is happening to the patient.

Apparently you missed the extensive, ongoing DSM-V controversy.

9. Because psychiatrists, blinded by their medical model bias, fraudulently pathologize and label people's serious life or existential crises as "symptoms" of "mental illness" or "mental disorder" such as "schizophrenia", "bipolar affective disorder", and "personality disorder".

False. Fraud is not a part of medicine. Fraud is in the realm of crime, which is a separate discipline entirely.

Psychiatrists (particularly the ones with ties to mental hospitals or drug companies) commit more fraud than any other medical profession. It would be little surprise if the entire profession itself is a fraud, too.

10. Because psychiatrists compound this fraud by falsely claiming, without scientific proof, that these "mental disorders" are caused by a "biochemical imbalance" in the brain, genetic factors or "genetic predispositions", despite the fact that there are no genetic factors in "mental illness".

False. Genetic and lifestyle factors are confirmed via statistical methods to play a role in mental health.

He kinda shot himself in the foot with this one.

11. Because psychiatrists frequently misinform their patients, families and the public by claiming that brain-disabling procedures such as the neurotoxins (e.g.,"antipsychotic medication" and "antidepressasnts"), electroconvulsive brainwashing (electroconvulsive therapy/"ECT"), psychosurgery (lobotomy) and other behaviour modification-mind control procedures are "safe, effective and lifesaving". The exact opposite is tragically true.

False. Misinforming the patient is not a part of medicine. Medicines used to treat patients are demonstrably effective and this is validated through statistical analysis of a control group VS a treatment group.

Just how many psychiatrists tell the truth: they have no clue what ECT actually does to the brain besides that it seems to help some people? That's how much of a joke psychiatry is. Very few psychiatrists will stress the permanent damage done by psychotropic drugs they dish out - damage that can be measured after as little as a year, with a scan.

12. Because psychiatrists routinely deceive or lie to patients, prisoners, their families, and public.

False. A physician cannot deceive or lie to a patient, prisoner, their families, or the public.

What kind of forum mod doesn't ban such obvious trolls?

13. Because psychiatrists routinely and willfully violate the medical-ethical principle of "informed consent" by misinforming or not informing their patients about the numerous toxic, disabling and frequently permanent effects of the neuroleptics such as memory loss, tardive dyskinesia, tardive psychosis, parkinsonism, dementia (all signs of brain damage), and death.

False. Informed consent is provided by the patient, not the physician. Whoever wrote this sentence does not understand the definition of informed consent.

Confusing people with BS is a great way to troll. it's besides the point, they don't properly inform you.

14. Because psychiatrists routinely threaten, intimidate or coerce many patients - particularly women, children, the elderly, and prisoners - into consenting to health-threatening/brain-damag ing "treatment" such as the antidepressants, neuroleptics, electroconvulsive brainwashing, and hi-risk experiments.

False. Coercion cannot be used in the practice of medicine.

One more reason to ban psychiatry.

15. Because psychiatrists frequently fail to fully inform psychiatric inmates and prisoners about existing safe and humane, non-medical alternatives in the community such as survivor-controlled crisis centres, dropins, self-help or advocacy groups, diet, massage, wholistic medicine, affordable supportive housing, and jobs.

False. One's status as a prisoner has no relevance in the ethical delivery of care.

You're nitpicking because he didn't word it properly, he had a valid point.

To summarize this, we now stand at 15/15 points in troll. I give it an F+ for F***ing Annoying.

 

[á´…eparted]

Psychotropic drugs don't heal, and they are proven to shrink the brain and shorten life spans.

So it's okay to feed people expensive drugs that damage their brain and shorten their lives more than smoking?

I've never seen anyone empowered by a psychiatrist. Therapists tend to be less cancerous, but I've seen some get people committed for living in their fking car.

Once again you're ignorantly calling psychotropic drugs medicine. Psychiatry is not evidence based; hell even psychiatrists become anti psychiatrists.

Nice circular "logic" there. The evidence has in fact largely turned chemical imbalance theory into a joke.

Ok, it was obvious that you're a troll at this point. Even psychiatrists have been complaining about this. Because they get held liable for not being all-seeing gods.

Nice joke.

Apparently you missed the extensive, ongoing DSM-V controversy.

Psychiatrists (particularly the ones with ties to mental hospitals or drug companies) commit more fraud than any other medical profession. It would be little surprise if the entire profession itself is a fraud, too.

He kinda shot himself in the foot with this one.

Just how many psychiatrists tell the truth: they have no clue what ECT actually does to the brain besides that it seems to help some people? That's how much of a joke psychiatry is. Very few psychiatrists will stress the permanent damage done by psychotropic drugs they dish out - damage that can be measured after as little as a year, with a scan.

What kind of forum mod doesn't ban such obvious trolls?

Confusing people with BS is a great way to troll. it's besides the point, they don't properly inform you.

One more reason to ban psychiatry.

You're nitpicking because he didn't word it properly, he had a valid point.

To summarize this, we now stand at 15/15 points in troll. I give it an F+ for F***ing Annoying.

Quite the interesting first post for a new user. You didn't actually shoot down any of his points at all. In fact, you're the one that's going to have to pony up credible evidence, since he's merely reiterating known medical facts. Further, he's in med school (not sure if he's finished yet?), so he knows what he's talking about. I also think he did a great job breaking down those points, and I'm fairly qualified myself. I'm about to get a PhD in organic chemistry, and I just happen to take two psychiatric drugs for my bipolar disorder that have been a life saver and a godsend to me. My psychiatrist is fantastic and has done a great job at helping me. I'm quite confidant my brain isn't going to shrink or be damaged.

What you've done here is basically conspiratorial and fear mongering, and the last line is pretty insulting.

 

[Luke O]

Psychotropic drugs don't heal, and they are proven to shrink the brain and shorten life spans.



So it's okay to feed people expensive drugs that damage their brain and shorten their lives more than smoking?


I've never seen anyone empowered by a psychiatrist. Therapists tend to be less cancerous, but I've seen some get people committed for living in their fking car.


Once again you're ignorantly calling psychotropic drugs medicine. Psychiatry is not evidence based; hell even psychiatrists become anti psychiatrists.

Nice circular "logic" there. The evidence has in fact largely turned chemical imbalance theory into a joke.

Ok, it was obvious that you're a troll at this point. Even psychiatrists have been complaining about this. Because they get held liable for not being all-seeing gods.

Nice joke.

Apparently you missed the extensive, ongoing DSM-V controversy.

Psychiatrists (particularly the ones with ties to mental hospitals or drug companies) commit more fraud than any other medical profession. It would be little surprise if the entire profession itself is a fraud, too.

He kinda shot himself in the foot with this one.

Just how many psychiatrists tell the truth: they have no clue what ECT actually does to the brain besides that it seems to help some people? That's how much of a joke psychiatry is. Very few psychiatrists will stress the permanent damage done by psychotropic drugs they dish out - damage that can be measured after as little as a year, with a scan.

What kind of forum mod doesn't ban such obvious trolls?

Confusing people with BS is a great way to troll. it's besides the point, they don't properly inform you.

One more reason to ban psychiatry.

You're nitpicking because he didn't word it properly, he had a valid point.

To summarize this, we now stand at 15/15 points in troll. I give it an F+ for F***ing Annoying.

None of what you've said makes sense so I'm finding it hard to see your point of view. So what's the alternative to psychiatric treatment? I want to see what you've got to bring to the table rather than cynical comments.