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God lets bad things happen because I touch myself. Or so I was told.
I have this sneaking suspicion that you are THE God in this scenario, yes?
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I am not on God's email ban list. He is on mine.
To answer the original question: things happen. They are neither "good" or "bad" because nature doesn't recognize such a dichotomy existing, they are just things. People define the goodness or badness of those things and one thing could be good for one while being bad for other.
Right meme, but not for the reason you think.
Right meme, but not for the reason you think.![]()
I am not on God's email ban list. He is on mine.
To answer the original question: things happen. They are neither "good" or "bad" because nature doesn't recognize such a dichotomy existing, they are just things. People define the goodness or badness of those things and one thing could be good for one while being bad for other.
Well seeing as I created for the point I aimed to make.
How did we become meaning creating animals?
The point escaped me. Could you elaborate for us simpler people?
Well seeing as I created for the point I aimed to make.
There are laws governing nature whether you think hard about them, discover them, or not.
Didn't give you enough credit, Lark!
Your meme is more appropriate than you think.![]()
Truth.There are objective laws in nature, those include what is good or bad, relativism is bunk, it is the unenlightened "enlightened" view that because it is difficult to tell sometimes then "all things are equal" when patently they are not
Jonathan Haidt studied every philosophical and religious and moral tradition to find and distill ancient wisdom and see how it held up to modern understanding. Every one has a version of Nietzsche's "What does not kill me makes me stronger." So sages and wise folks throughout history of every background have determined that suffering is a key to growth and avoiding pain is a path to avoiding growth.
So, while God has no desire to hurt us, He understands that removing struggle stunts us. Therefore, it would hurt us more to remove all struggle and pain in the world, as it would prevent growth.
On of the greatest gifts of God is free will. Free will means that we can choose what we will do and that the others are free as well. They can cause pain to others, if they so desire, and if God were to stop everyone causing pain to others, he would need to reject free will.
So God loves us so much, he cares for us so much, that he doesn't just help us avoid failurev and pain, even though he could.
As a parent, one of the hardest things is letting fail and suffer consequences. It is hard not to try to protect one's children from any pain. Yet overly coddled children grow up incapable of handling life as well as those who were allowed to fail and suffer.
What God can do, without violating our free will, is help us and strengthen us, as we exercise faith and turn unto him. He can help us cope and grow. He can help us gain perspective and understanding. He can help us build resilience. He can help guide us on our path as we build our relationship with him.
I am confident that God cries when each of his children suffers. His restraint is a huge demonstration of his love.
Imagine for a minute that you had power to remove all suffering and pain in the world, yet you also had the knowledge that removing it would prevent growth and development, leaving everyone like spiritual infants, far below their potential, perventing your other goals.
Now, nothing prevents us from exercising our free will and helping others. We can look where we live and decide if we can serve our neighbors and make where we live better. We can decide every day to treat others as we would like to be treated. We can choose to share happiness and love and build up others. We can help bear the burdens of others by reaching out and providing the listening ear and the human compassion.
Jonathan Haidt studied every philosophical and religious and moral tradition to find and distill ancient wisdom and see how it held up to modern understanding. Every one has a version of Nietzsche's "What does not kill me makes me stronger." So sages and wise folks throughout history of every background have determined that suffering is a key to growth and avoiding pain is a path to avoiding growth.
So, while God has no desire to hurt us, He understands that removing struggle stunts us. Therefore, it would hurt us more to remove all struggle and pain in the world, as it would prevent growth.
On of the greatest gifts of God is free will. Free will means that we can choose what we will do and that the others are free as well. They can cause pain to others, if they so desire, and if God were to stop everyone causing pain to others, he would need to reject free will.
So God loves us so much, he cares for us so much, that he doesn't just help us avoid failurev and pain, even though he could.
As a parent, one of the hardest things is letting fail and suffer consequences. It is hard not to try to protect one's children from any pain. Yet overly coddled children grow up incapable of handling life as well as those who were allowed to fail and suffer.
What God can do, without violating our free will, is help us and strengthen us, as we exercise faith and turn unto him. He can help us cope and grow. He can help us gain perspective and understanding. He can help us build resilience. He can help guide us on our path as we build our relationship with him.
I am confident that God cries when each of his children suffers. His restraint is a huge demonstration of his love.
Imagine for a minute that you had power to remove all suffering and pain in the world, yet you also had the knowledge that removing it would prevent growth and development, leaving everyone like spiritual infants, far below their potential, perventing your other goals.
Now, nothing prevents us from exercising our free will and helping others. We can look where we live and decide if we can serve our neighbors and make where we live better. We can decide every day to treat others as we would like to be treated. We can choose to share happiness and love and build up others. We can help bear the burdens of others by reaching out and providing the listening ear and the human compassion.