[ISTP] Who thinks I'am an ISTP? Vote for this if you believe it!

[Mal12345]

Is it possible for ISTPs to develop the Schizotypal Personality Disorder?

Anything is possible, but schizoid is more likely.

 

[RaptorWizard]

Ya, I have some traits of Schizotypal, Schizoid, and Antisocial, in that order (but I don't actually have the disorders).

Schizotypal for the crazy thoughts.
Schizoid for being a loner.
Antisocial for being a rebel.

Very few people are more insane than I am (except maybe Zang)!

 

[RaptorWizard]

Anything is possible, but schizoid is more likely.

If you can be an STP gangster from the ghetto who can break every law ever establish into the system, then yes!

 

[RaptorWizard]

Thus Spake Poimandres! – A Systems Analysis in the Conceptual Frameworks of Existence

1. Life in this world is an evolutionary process. – The world is always transforming.
2. The individuality of all beings should be accepted universally. – All beings have promise to play important roles within the evolutionary process of life.
3. Every individual being has different perspectives. – We each see reality from our own point of view.
4. What is the meaning of life? – Achieving infinite mastery of creation.
5. Life is an eternal journey. – There are always new horizons to explore.
6. What is the future of human life? – It will be contingent with what we do now.
7. How do we create the “perfect” future? – Perfection is your own vision that you desire to manifest and can “will” into being, but it cannot limit the visions of other beings.
8. Creation springs into being from a “liquid light”. – A liquid can take the shape of any creation imaginable, and the shape can be perceived if it has light.
9. Life must triumph over challenges. – Challenges are the “refiner’s fire” that forge the future and make us stronger.
10. The world system (the program of reality) is a game that challenges us. – We can rise up to higher levels by overcoming its challenges.
11. The exploration of existence has no boundaries. – New creations and coming transformations within this infinite existence will always spring into being.
12. Highly evolved civilizations will have transcended this dimension. – They can break the barriers of reality and explore other worlds out there or of their own creation.
13. The paths ahead and the directions they take will lead to any possible destination. – We are free to see and shape the limitless horizon ahead of us.
14. The core of creation is inside the mind. – It is the mover and the witness.
15. The natural order on earth is evil. – The entire globe must undergo a purifying transformation.
16. What was the 1st cause (if there was one)? – Without order nothing can exist; without chaos nothing can evolve.
17. Can mountain be moved? – Willpower is a mental force that, if intense enough, can move any event into causation.
18. How should omnipotence be used? – To transcend all limitations.
19. Why is there suffering? – It gives us hope to make things better.
20. Knowledge leads to liberation. – From it we gather clues, which in synthesis illuminate our way to the sacred “treasure trove”, a place where our willpower can give us anything.
21. Existence is infinite in its expressions. – All phases of development are in realization.
22. Everything is beyond our imaginations. – Our minds are finite, but existence has no limit.
23. Knowledge charts the cosmic course to power. – It gives us directions on our journey to ultimately command creation.
24. The nature of creation is transformation. – It annihilates the old and forges the new.
25. Our perceptions of reality are incomplete. – We cannot perceive the full totality of things.
26. Perfection will never be realized. – Otherwise our world would be static and lifeless.
27. A plan should always be capable for transformation. – It should work within any context.
28. No path (that is not restrictive of other being’s paths) is wrong. – We can each walk and develop the world in our own way.
29. The mind and its will make creation dynamic. – Will (the controller) moves all things into causation, and the mind (gamer/viewer) experiences the changes.
30. Reality is a simulation that can be programmed. – A master of the system could alter it.
31. Overcoming trials leads to triumphs. – They forge barriers into stepping stones.
32. Goals give direction. – They are guiding stars that we can follow across the horizon.
33. Concepts can become anything. – They are formless fountains shining with all promise.
34. God is the witness and the word. – He speaks the codes for creation and views the systems they synthesize.
35. Knowledge dispels darkness. – It is the light at the end of the tunnel, leading to liberation.
36. All ideas have value. – They each have some levels of immanence within the totality of reality.
37. An illuminated mind can see reality and give shape to its visions. – Things (building blocks) must be perceived and connected to realize new perceptions (mental constructs).
38. Intention and motivation drive action. – What we desire and wish to do can translate into change.
39. Time is a movie. – It unfolds across the line of movement as commanded by the director, which can be fast-forwarded and replayed, or even have version dependent contingencies.
40. Anything with enough time can be done. – A thousand mile journey begins with one step.
41. The now shapes all coming transformations. – The moment has hopes to change destiny.
42. Why is there something rather than nothing? – Some things break beyond the chains of rationality; some questions remain unanswerable to reason (like birthing an eternal mind).
43. Events with no natural basis are possible. – The mind, which has no former foundation, can reach all realities (and even [at sufficiently high levels of creative power] defy logic).
44. Beauty is relative to the beholder. – There are many angles and dimensions through which we can choose to perceive and appreciate things.
45. Creation is all about cause and effect. – It is a sequence of prior things that transform into subsequent things as a natural result of willpower (the cause) and vision (the effect).
46. You have to make the rules, not follow them. – The ideal “box” should transform its own constraints in accordance with the context and what it contains, come to form a “best fit”.
47. We are being guided by good designers and misled by evil players. – The good side is the real power of creation and salvation, whereas the dark side is a cheap copy that distorts it.
48. Diversity gives us knowledge. – We understand things relative to other reference frames.
49. The secret of the “Will” is time. – Time reflects how events unfold, and the “Will” (mental intensity) is a force that will forge and determine what our destiny is meant to be.
50. What will our Heaven be? – We will step ahead of our times and break beyond all mental barriers to alter the architecture of everything.

1. We need to see things by asking questions. – This helps us to achieve an understanding.
2. We are not in Heaven. – We have to work our way towards Heaven.
3. Our honor must be at the divine level for us to be in Heaven. – Otherwise it would be destroyed by our corruption.
4. We each have a life force. – Our energy incarnates into physical forms from the timeless world.
5. Life is an everlasting progression. – Life progresses by triumphing over challenges (hell).
6. This world is hell. – Hell teaches us lessons throughout many lifetimes.
7. The material world exists at a low frequency (in reference to higher frequency realms). – We can rise to higher frequency realms as we gain more experience across the spectrum.
8. We are spiritually evolving. – Our planet is presently at the edge of a spiritual shift, which will develop us for space exploration.
9. I am that I am. – This character is the personal God of love.
10. Love is the one force. – Everything is part of love, which makes things possible.
11. How should we pray to God? – With the force and feeling of our true character.
12. What can God give us? – The complete potential for an endless future.
13. What should we ask for when we pray to God? – To expand our awareness and vision of things (like seeing dreams or revealing secrets).
14. Belief is at the center of our being. – This force (love) can give us anything and point the way to everything.
15. The power of belief can “create entities”. – Opinions spring from a growing pool and can form any substance, making all things (even mental constructs) in some sense a reality.
16. Reality is countered by destructive forces. – They seek to bring things into the void.
17. Existence began with a witness. – The witness made everything possible with the “word” (logos [reason]; the “codes” of creation).
18. The first thing created was love (no thing). – From this came the limitless and the witness (the force of love), which gave shape to everything out of the formless void.
19. Reason is driven by love (the good). – This shows us beauty, which is relative to how we see it.
20. Creation has 3 points. – They are existence, structure, and direction.
21. Space (structure) and time (direction) make up 5 dimensions. – This is because existence itself is a dimension.
22. The higher dimensions of creation (above the basic 5) are metaphysical. – We are stuck in the effects and cannot (at the physical level of existence) see the cause of it all.
23. Knowledge gives us greater freedom. – It is the driving force that empowers mental constructs, which gives birth to life and love.
24. Intention is the fruit of life. – It is what we want and the cause that creates it.
25. Perfection can be found by following God. – God is the transcendent cause of creation, the designer of this “existential game” that can maximize our attributes and “level us up”.
26. The logos are the language of reality. – They are the digital characters of the matrix.
27. We are all avatars of God. – We should let him guide our actions without resistance.
28. We will triumph with God on our side. – He can create possibilities for anything.
29. The system of reality is dynamic. – Everything is always growing from the immaterialness of nothing to become the synthesized complex of everything.
30. Mind controls the movement of life. – It is the action that feeds all reactions.
31. The divine mind (God) is connected to everyone. – We are each multifaceted prisms that reflect the light of God, eternally expressing himself through our own true characters.
32. The pure forms of ideas constitute what is real. – They are the dreamed up images created by the divine mind.
33. We cannot yet bear the sublime truth. – It would be unjust to reveal before our corrupted beings.
34. Knowledge liberates our will. – We need an objective point, an external standard to give the will its freedom.
35. Asking the “why” of the “will” connects it to knowledge. – It is our grasp of what we want.
36. What should we do if we are everything? – We start by gazing upon the world; we make new laws and different manifest copies of ourselves to actualize the chronicles of history.
37. Entities can help to realize the will of God. – We must take action for our will to be done.
38. Many possible world models could have existed. – This world always existed, and it is continually moving through different dimensions.
39. There is a war being waged within the divine order. – It has brought chaos to the timeless harmony of Heaven.
40. We need a focus on hope. – We must know why we want things to be and have an outline with the steps of action to realize the plan.
41. We should ask what is right before commanding. – As the moral arbiters of things, we need to see the good and decide accordingly.
42. Things change when thought of differently. – The right clarity of thought expands reality.
43. The divine can be seen in the mundane. – It can connect us to real esoteric truth.
44. Asking for the why can give us the power to do anything. – It gives us the directional will to create what could be, to focus and unleash our energies charged from within.
45. Why something will be is immaterial. – The something (an immanent creation) starts within the same plane as the immaterial (the sea of chaos), tamed and shaped by free will.
46. Society must be broken and revolutionized. – The system could be destroyed and redesigned from within.
47. We need a blueprint to start society anew. – It should be a dynamic and large scale model, where every part of the societal machine interconnects together in perfect unison.
48. Power must justify itself. – People in power must serve the subjects.
49. An entity must be able to mentally construct creations to be alive. – This is power of will.
50. We need a bridge to get where we want to go. – Looking up is easier than flying.

 

[The Great One]

Ya, I have some traits of Schizotypal, Schizoid, and Antisocial, in that order (but I don't actually have the disorders).

Schizotypal for the crazy thoughts.
Schizoid for being a loner.
Antisocial for being a rebel.

Very few people are more insane than I am (except maybe Zang)!

I don't know about these, but after talking to you on the phone at length, you seem to have Asperger's syndrome.

 

[RaptorWizard]

[MENTION=15371]Poimandres[/MENTION] is clearly a sp/so. The man has strong self-pres and weak social, but almost no sx at all. The man is HIGHLY aware of what can hurt him, constantly aware of how much money he has, constantly afraid of getting sick and getting diseases in general, and is very career minded. The man has very little indication of a social variant as well: the man is absolutely clueless when it comes to social webs and who knows who, the man has no clue what's going on with social customs, and man feels no need to belong to any sort of group. Also,he has almost no sx energy at all. He could give less of a damn about intensity, sees sex as "dirty", doesn't understand closeness or romantic relationships, and has almost no passion at all. I vote Sp/so for him.

I was very pleased to this this in-depth analysis, and so I figured it would have a good place here.

I actually had PDD (mild aspergers) as a kid, with a hyper-focused attention to detail and social detachment.

 

[The Great One]

I was very pleased to this this in-depth analysis, and so I figured it would have a good place here.

I actually had PDD (mild aspergers) as a kid, with a hyper-focused attention to detail and social detachment.

Which would explain why you're sp/so. To tell the truth, it's almost like you don't even have a second variant: you're almost pure self-pres.

 

[RaptorWizard]

In the mountains of truth you will never climb in vain: either you will get up higher today or you will exercise your strength so as to be able to get up higher tomorrow.

 

[RaptorWizard]

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63659&page=5&p=2114822&viewfull=1#post2114822

The Great One - Sure they can. Just look at Poimandres. He's one hell of a goofy mother fucker.

Poimandres - Yes, in most ways where people act like mindless robots (such as in formal public settings), I hack the system, and when people are normally acting like frenzied monkeys (such as when work is done), I'm using my freedom to advance understanding and development. For most people, serious and silly in X and Y are silly and serious for me.

msg_v2 - I kinda think Poi might be an INFP with well developed Ne, actually. The kind of images he chooses for his avatar, the frequency at which he changes them, and the presence and elaboration of his signature.... these are things I usually see in INFPs, not INTPs.

Poimandres - Good point. I guess INTPs have more of a calculated rationale in their ways, whereas I'm bouncing a bunch of funny stuff around.

prplchknz - still an INxP

Poimandres - This may be true, but there's also a lot of information that points away from INxP (which INxPs generally tend to ignore, in favor of their subjective reasonings or feelings). That's a very debatable subject though, but I guess it's just the common perception. I'm sure there's also plenty of INxPs out there open to external input.


superunknown - I studied Fi a fair deal yesterday - Jung's version, at least.

Poimandres being Fi is incongruent with that I learned. Ni would be more likely. They are similar in scope.

Poimandres - Hm, well I guess they both deal with more introspective things, or what appeals to abstract impressions and mystical feelings, so there may be a good connection here.


msg_v2 - INTJ I could see, and might fit better.

Don't mind me, I'm talking about something unrelated. I just haven't seen him say anything particularly Ti. He's too much of a mystery to me for him to be Ti.

Poimandres - I actually see myself (today) as most likely being an INTJ. The Ti's seem more into what's rational (like elegant logic and rational consistency), whereas the Ni's seem more into what's transformative (like universal wisdom or esoteric cosmologies).

 

[Infinite Bubble]

Not an INTJ! No, no, no! You can't be, because you have no Te. At least, not Te > Fi.

That system analysis thing up there^ has no Te in it whatsoever. It almost entirely consists of subjective judgements and categorisations. Just one example would be, "What is the meaning of life? - Achieving infinite mastery of creation." That isn't objective. It is subjective - it makes sense to you. Someone else could easily say, "no, it's to love one another and live a happy life". So for you, Ji > Je.

"Life in this world is an evolutionary process", is more of a typical Te statement. But those are overshadowed by Ji. I can't tell which one it is though really. You could easily have Fi > Te.

NiTi would be more suitable if you're sticking with Ni.

 

[RaptorWizard]

“Unless you make yourself equal to God, you cannot understand God: for the like is not intelligible save to the like. Make yourself grow to a greatness beyond measure, by a bound free yourself from the body; raise yourself above all time, become Eternity; then you will understand God. Believe that nothing is impossible for you, think yourself immortal and capable of understanding all, all arts, all sciences, the nature of every living being. Mount higher than the highest height; descend lower than the lowest depth. Draw into yourself all sensations of everything created, fire and water, dry and moist, imagining that you are everywhere, on earth, in the sea, in the sky, that you are not yet born, in the maternal womb, adolescent, old, dead, beyond death. If you embrace in your thought all things at once, times, places, substances, qualities, quantities, you may understand God.”
― Giordano Bruno

 

[RaptorWizard]

"What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end. The higher we soar, the smaller we seem to those who cannot fly!" - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

You're either a Ni or Fi dom. (I can't tell those two apart very well, these are the functions I understand the least.)

I'm fine with Fi-doms as long as they are capable of recognising that Ti/Fe is not evil or fake. I've never seen you claim that, so we're fine. I don't understand you, but you seem like a good guy. Also, you're comfortable in your dorkiness (this is meant as a compliment), which is always something I like to see.

 

[unicorncandy]

I am new here, but I think that you might not be just from what I read. I could see INTJ or INTP. Also, I think there is a popular theory out there right now that typing people on threads is more valuable and effective than tests. I don't know how true that is, but I view knowing your myers briggs type as a tool. It helps you know what your strengths and weaknesses are so you can work on them and be a more holistic person. How old are you? It could be that you are just too young to know. The fact that you are exploring it like this seems like a Ti/Ne thing, but it could also be coming from an Fi place of feeling insulted that someone questioned your type (I don't know what type you were listed as before, like I said, I'm new.)

Either way, the road to self-discovery is your own and you probably know best who you are. I think going off only what people say is just as flawed a method to finding your type as going off only what you know inside. Find a balance.

 

[RaptorWizard]

[MENTION=18862]unicorncandy[/MENTION] Yes, I have been here for while (1.5 years), and you can see a user's 'join-date' listed under their avatar.

INTJ and INTP is (lately) what I've considered the most, with all the uber-rationalism and deep-thinking compulsions.

Lots of these tests are indeed of little value. They only tell you how you see yourself, which may or may not be accurate in places (and the test designer may have messed stuff up too).

I guess any kind of self-awareness, be it MBTI, IQ or whatever helps us to find our 'focus-points'.

I'm actually 19, and still in development, so it could be a bit too early to say anything definatively.

I've actually been listed as either of the 2 Ti's before, but somehow they just seem too 'logical', more into problem-solving and not 'mystical', not enough into deep cosmological questions.

As far as Fi goes, I get pretty dang annoyed when people don't listen to stuff I (or anyone else) says before they even can see the viewpoint.

There's a quote by Nietzsche that goes: You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”

 

[RaptorWizard]

[MENTION=15773]greenfairy[/MENTION] just posted a very insightful quote regarding my type to my wall, which I was very pleased by and am now quoting below:

Yeah I do feel we are similar in cognition. My academic adviser I suspect is INTJ, and he said my mind is similar to his because I'm a big picture thinker and a synthesizer. That could just be Ni though. I am probably more F than you, but who can tell really? In you I see it in a focus on collective well-being and interest in other people, like your investigation into mysteries help empower everyone; and you seem to naturally make an effort to be approachable and relate to people. This could be consistent with INTJ though. But being a female, I am more physiologically disposed to be emotional, and have more things to be bothered about. (Call that sexist if you will, but I think it's true.)

Well I suppose if I make a video it will be easier to tell. But INTJ seems as likely to be as any other INXX type currently. And I suppose it is equally likely for you, though you are definitely not an INFP. That much I know.

 

[RaptorWizard]

Thread Link: Ultrarevolutionary Omniversalism ~ A Process Metaphysics of Expansion and Omnipotence
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"What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end - I shall show them the rainbow and all the steps to the Übermensch!" ― Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[RaptorWizard]

I just got a signature vastly superior in linkages to the old one!

 

[RaptorWizard]

Poimandres: Lazy Role Ni (Te); experiencing a sense of what things would be like distinguished by an absent sense of what those things mean.
Poimandres: Calm role Fi Ne); experiencing an appreciation of how things should be, distinguished by a stronger appreciation of how those things will be.
Poimandres: Terrified Role-Ni (Si); experiencing a grasp of why things will be a particular way, distinguished by a stronger sense of what those things should be like

 

[The Great One]

[MENTION=15371]Poimandres[/MENTION]

I'm actually starting to now question whether you are actually an ISTP in a Ti<Ni loop. The reason being is so many times I am talking to you on the phone and I ask you, "So hey man, do you think that you would like that"? The funny thing is that you can never answer whether you would like to do something or not until you have actually done it (learning through experience or Se). The Ne users that I know can almost always answer my question as to whether or not they would like to do something or not, despite whether they have done it before or not. The reason being is that they can imagine doing these things in their own heads, before they even do it, so then have an idea of what doing it would be like and would just intuitively know if they would like to do it or not. However, you can never do this and this leads me to believe that you could possibly be an ISTP in a Ti<Ni loop.