What type is Zarathustra? :)

[Qre:us]

So do I.

Wait.......wrong thread.

 

[Night]

now, Night, that's no way to go

wait until everyone votes the same way as you do

then you can be all "yeah! look it, when i said I was right,"


that plan requires the thread to be open, however

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Weren't you originally an ENTJ?

 

[Night]

In college, I remember my favorite professor writing on one of my papers, "You certainly have a predilection for abstract thinking."

Yeah, but aren't you into astrology?

INFP.

 

[Zarathustra]

That does actually make a LOT of sense. Intelletctual competitiveness sounds like it was the social norm (as one would expect in such a situation really).

Then I went to UC Berkeley, where it was really more of the same...

To be honest, though: iron sharpens iron...

There's a reason why Berkeley grads score 100% on employer score cards (as do about four or five other schools).

 

[SillySapienne]

Ha, yes, I would expect intellectual qualities and tolerance of others to be encouraged in those circumstances then. Now, if on the other hand you'd grown up among a different subset of privilege, such as "WASP" kids with parents in the business world and giant trust funds...?

In high school there were some of those, hahahahahaa, such a different culture.

 

[Zarathustra]

Yeah, but aren't you into astrology?

INFP.

 

[Zarathustra]

Now, if on the other hand you'd grown up among a different subset of privilege, such as "WASP" kids with parents in the business world and giant trust funds...?

Hey, that's ME!!!

 

[SillySapienne]

I then went to UC Berkeley, where it was really more of the same...

To be honest, though: iron sharpens iron.

There's a reason why Berkeley grads score 100% (as do about four or five other schools) on employer score cards.

Intellectual competitiveness is SO FOREIGN to me.

If you love intellectual pursuits, you should so too love to either learn, and, or teach, ideally do both, but not compete, with one caveat, that of competing with yourself.

I always throughout my entire 24 years of being in different educational institutions have HATED people who were grade competitive.

 

[SillySapienne]

Hey, that's ME!!!

*scratches head*

Is it?

 

[SillySapienne]

I think he meant parents in the business world as in CEOs, CFOs and VPs and such, I could be wrong, but that was the WASP he was talking about me thinks.

 

[Zarathustra]

*scratches head*

Is it?

Let me see:

1. White: check
2. Anglo-Saxon: check
3. Protestant: check (Dad's an atheist)
4. Parents work in business (Dad does; mom teacher)

That's about a 75%-85% hit rate, depending on how you look at it.

Btw, you know these things.

 

[SillySapienne]

A likeable asshole, kinda reminds me of a lickable one...

Anyhow, two questions for ya.

One: Do you think you are more cocky than confident?

Two: What are your thoughts on humility, especially intellectual humility.

You never answered these questions!!!

 

[Zarathustra]

I think he meant parents in the business world as in CEOs, CFOs and VPs and such, I could be wrong, but that was the WASP he was talking about me thinks.

Yeah, my Dad's business card read EVP...

 

[ragashree]

I think he meant parents in the business world as in CEOs, CFOs and VPs and such, I could be wrong, but that was the WASP he was talking about me thinks.

Yeah, pretty much, I was implying the higher-level types while being rather vague about what exactly was meant!

Sooo, a type 8 enjoys intellectual competition for its own sake, and a type 4 enjoys intellectual self-development and the development of others, but avoids competition?

Interesting!

 

[SillySapienne]

Let me see:

1. White: check
2. Anglo-Saxon: check
3. Protestant: check (Dad's an atheist)
4. Parents work in business (Dad does; mom teacher)

That's about a 75%-85% hit rate, depending on how you look at it.

Btw, you know these things.

Now, if on the other hand you'd grown up among a different subset of privilege, such as "WASP" kids with parents in the business world and giant trust funds...?

You don't fit the WASP stereotype he was suggesting, and you know it.

You don't.



(If you did, we probably wouldn't be together )

 

[SillySapienne]

Sooo, a type 8 enjoys intellectual competition for its own sake, and a type 4 enjoys intellectual self-development and the development of others, but avoids competition?

Interesting!

This is true, but I don't think Zara is an 8. :/

 

[Zarathustra]

One: Do you think you are more cocky than confident?

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.

In fact, I think they're almost always completely and arbitrarily defined by people's personal prejudices: if person A doesn't like person B, and person B is confident, then person A thinks they're cocky.

If cockiness is meant to imply false confidence, then I am confident, not cocky. I do not have confidence in areas where I suck. It's easy as that.

Two: What are your thoughts on humility, especially intellectual humility.

Umm, I find myself far more intellectually humble than most people.

People go around throwing ridiculous assertions with almost no qualification.

While I may be direct and blunt at most times, you will find, if you go throw my language, that I tend to be very good at using qualifiers.

The reason for this: because I'm not such an ass as to really think that just cuz a thought appears in my head that this means it's true.

 

[ragashree]

You don't fit the WASP stereotype he was suggesting, and you know it.

You don't.



(If you did, we probably wouldn't be together )

If he was really a full blown member of that class though, wouldn't his mother be a "socialite", or something?

This is true, but I don't think Zara is an 8. :/

Hmm, he often comes across that way, though not always. What does the Z think then?

 

[SillySapienne]

Sooo, a type 8 enjoys intellectual competition for its own sake, and a type 4 enjoys intellectual self-development and the development of others, but avoids competition?

8s are challengers, they fear being overpowered, vulnerable, weak.

They are CONTRARIANS.

Oy vey!

I love 'em and I hate 'em.

 

[Zarathustra]

This is true, but I don't think Zara is an 8. :/

Whether I'm a type 8 or 6, you can still use enneagram.

If I'm a 6, then I enjoy debate in order to construct a stable, solid meaning, or truth.

I would say that this is really more the case than the competition angle of an 8...