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What is Emotional Reasoning? Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history? Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?

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What is Emotional Reasoning? Do you know the term and that it comes from psychology? Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history? Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?

Do you think it would be a good idea to instill critical thinking skills at a much earlier age in education? Is this quotation true? Why is it true and what is the primary reason this is true?

“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.” Friedrich Nietzsche

What is the major culprit of this being a truth?

The answer and culprit is identified by the psychology field the cognitive distortion called Emotional Reasoning.

“It is a truth that human beings project their realities. What people do not realize is that it is merely their subjective perception of truth and reality. Truth is most of what we know is opinion.

Our perception of reality is based on societal, peer and parental influences.
To me what stands out for me causing the greatest alarm is that the religious or secular texts are all a product of the times when they were written.

This implies all of the hidden, unconscious prejudices, fears and stereotypes of the times are written into the texts.

A major culprit of all the misery on the planet is that all human beings project their realities every day of their lives. The other is “Emotional Reasoning” which is a cognitive distortion.

Both Buddha and Aristotle have warmed to question their perceptions and understandings of reality. People won’t. They will fall prey to the illusion of Emotional Reasoning.

Quotation:
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it. Unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” Buddha

Quotation:
“Be a free thinker and don’t accept everything you hear as truth. Be critical and evaluate what you believe in.” Aristotle

I’ve written, “Just because I believe, think and feel something passionately to be the truth, does not necessitate that it is the truth. Unless it can be proven by hard research methodology conducted in the here and now and its results replicated.” LightSun
 

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“Just because I believe, think and feel something passionately to be the truth, does not necessitate that it is the truth.

Unless it can be proven by hard research methodology conducted in the here and now and its results replicated.” LightSun
 

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“To me what stands out for me causing the greatest alarm is that the religious or secular texts are all a product of the times when they were written.

This implies all of the hidden, unconscious prejudices, fears and stereotypes of the times are written into the texts.” LightSun
 

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“As I’ve stated before before Carl Jung was such an insightful man. His saying that we must make the unconscious, conscious.

If we fail to do so then we will never evolve psychologically, emotionally nor spiritually.

All of the great religions and secular philosopher writings were mere stepping stones and meant to be taken as a general heading.

They were not meant to be taken dogmatically. That stifles true awakening of the human spirit and hopes of ever reaching either a Christ consciousness or a Buddha mind.” LightSun
 

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What is Emotional Reasoning? Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history? Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?​


You have focused on an inner struggle we all can resel with.

What is Emotional Reasoning?​


Emotional reasoning seems to me to be a basic condition a reaction and a response to being a Human Being with no option but to experience being hear and alive. It is very much a view though the I N F P lens. Much can be said if all processes begin at Point nine on the Enneagram symbol at zero at Point:9 and end at nine at Point nine this nine step process can hint to zero as being the basic Presence the knowing that we are here and we must deal with that reality. The question of whether it is right or wrong good or bad just or unjust has something to do with the hidden complaint. That is the influence of the Point one lense E S T J the wing component of the 9w1.

Emotional reasoning seems to me to be the automatic response and automatic reaction to the condition of dealing with being human and permanently engaged with the world without a choice as to whether I participate or not.

It seemed to me not to be a problem until I experienced the loss of direct contact with the Holy Love perspective lens generated by the heart and began to be influenced by the divide of the three instincts into six working instinctual variants each with a unique psychological interpretation of the what is taking place in the world. The shock of having three tape loops with six variant filters view lenses caused me to react with emotional reasoning.

Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history?​


I think the simple answer is if or peers and parents had mirrored a flowing usage of the six instinctual variant heads we would not treat this level of our psychometrics as if it was taboo.

By treating the usage of the six instinctual variants we have relied upon emotional reasoning as an acceptable compensation. Adjust and follow the rules of the tribe the norms compete fairly and you will fit in.

There is a precariousness to this strategy so we trust that someone within the tribe will know someone will lead us to a solution. In some families the fridge and Tv are the solution I'll watch my stories and I find my solutions via my Peers on Tv. Perhaps the President will appear on Tv address the problems and ashore me that all will be ok.

t has been harmful through the course of history because it has not lead us back to the Holy Ideas the wisdom viewpoint within. When we reawaken our Higher Intellect higher emotion higher thinking higher thinking. Our Higher Centers we need not rely on emotional reasoning because we see to the heart of things naturally. This is hard to describe it is easy to understand experientially.

Put simply we draw upon the unity of or psychometrics and working in its natural order the Higher-centers Higher mind Higher emotion order reasoning and provide the natural input required. E.g Some before me id very sick I can receptively sense into that individual and detect disease. To do this is a taboo an act of pseudoscience.


Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?​


Because we as a collective refuse to adopt knowledge about the know how of making the laws of three and severn work within. We blindly trust or egoic mind we believe it is all we have and all we need. It may restain progress by leading os to annihilation the very thing we fear the most. Destroying the ecosystem we rely upon as a synbiotic catalyst.
 
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“People can be confused with the terms of EQ Emotional Intelligence and Emotional Reasoning. EQ is very much a positive.

I come from a psychology background. EQ Emotional Intelligence is very important.

Emotional Reasoning professionally speaking however is an identified cognitive distortion.

In addition this specific distortion is key to much of the confusion, hate, and misunderstanding throughout human history.

Emotional Reasoning deals with subjective opinions, and beliefs. I’ve written stick to objective facts and reason to make ones case.

This Emotional Reasoning is when people use negative subjective language as an attack against someone else who has a difference of opinion and belief.

So when insults and derogatory language is used trying to get another to believe as they do, it’s a distortion.

1. Theists and non-theists.
2. Gun control and the NRA.
3. Pro-Choice and Pro-Life.
4. Republicans and Democrats.

Emotional Intelligence is definitely not in use when people attack one another.” LightSun
 

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What is Emotional Reasoning? Do you know the term and that it comes from psychology? Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history? Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?

Do you think it would be a good idea to instill critical thinking skills at a much earlier age in education? Is this quotation true? Why is it true and what is the primary reason this is true?

“Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.” Friedrich Nietzsche

What is the major culprit of this being a truth?

The answer and culprit is identified by the psychology field the cognitive distortion called Emotional Reasoning.

“It is a truth that human beings project their realities. What people do not realize is that it is merely their subjective perception of truth and reality. Truth is most of what we know is opinion.

Our perception of reality is based on societal, peer and parental influences.
To me what stands out for me causing the greatest alarm is that the religious or secular texts are all a product of the times when they were written.

This implies all of the hidden, unconscious prejudices, fears and stereotypes of the times are written into the texts.

A major culprit of all the misery on the planet is that all human beings project their realities every day of their lives. The other is “Emotional Reasoning” which is a cognitive distortion.

Both Buddha and Aristotle have warmed to question their perceptions and understandings of reality. People won’t. They will fall prey to the illusion of Emotional Reasoning.

Quotation:
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who has said it, not even if I have said it. Unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” Buddha

Quotation:
“Be a free thinker and don’t accept everything you hear as truth. Be critical and evaluate what you believe in.” Aristotle

I’ve written, “Just because I believe, think and feel something passionately to be the truth, does not necessitate that it is the truth. Unless it can be proven by hard research methodology conducted in the here and now and its results replicated.” LightSun
It's because it's satisfying in some way. They get to feel more powerful, or less fearful, or more certain, or something like that. If we could have people more satisfied with themselves on their own terms, they would be much less susceptible to it; I think fulfilling needs like that is critical to ushering in the dominance of more rational thinking.

Regarding the "if people were more satisfied" part, it's a pretty big if, though. I can see now that it's much harder than I originally thought.
 

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It's because it's satisfying in some way. They get to feel more powerful, or less fearful, or more certain, or something like that. If we could have people more satisfied with themselves on their own terms, they would be much less susceptible to it; I think fulfilling needs like that is critical to ushering in the dominance of more rational thinking.

Regarding the "if people were more satisfied" part, it's a pretty big if, though. I can see now that it's much harder than I originally thought.
 

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I do think that Nietzsche had illusions he wasnt going to let be destroyed.
 

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There are a few different ways emotions can influence reasoning, and there is an unstable, potentially destructive aspect when emotions stand in place of facts - if it feels true then it is, etc.

There is also a way to include emotional outcomes as one type of information set included in a complex system of reasoning through a situation. For example, I know when I work in highly competitive environments where most communication is goal-oriented for people to achieve power, I end up with a lot of headaches, nausea, and other symptoms that affect my functioning and quality of life. I factor that in when I choose to not work in those environments.

I think this example can provide a way to explore many aspects of emotional reasoning. When you look at outcomes and know your limitations, then it can be somewhat objective and comprehensive to include it. If, I considered every emotional reaction in those environment to reveal facts without any other form of verification, then that isn't objective. Sometimes I can get too anxious in those environments and misinterpret communications as negative when they are not. The first type of emotional reasoning would assume it a fact simply because of the emotion. The second type factors in my own limitations and inability to feel confident reading and reacting to the types of communication in that environment, and conclude I'm better off avoiding it. That more objective approach does not assume my perception is correct, but only assumes that the negative physical and emotional outcome is predicable enough to consider it part of the question to resolve.
 

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What is Emotional Reasoning? Do you know the term and that it comes from psychology? Why has it been so harmful throughout the course of history? Why will it continue to restrain progress forward?
You know the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd? That are actually the most reactionary, all up in their feelings all the time, constantly being triggered crowd? They are the poster children for the definition of emotional reasoning.

It will continue to restrain progress forward because until we as a people are willing to say that opinions are not factual statements, that not every comment is worth of a discussion and there are ideas that should be stood on and never allowed to rise up again.

That said, I think it's hard to learn about emotion in a society that wants you to never speak about emotions (at least for some people not to speak about emotions, men in particular). But people aren't comfortable with it and until they are, it's always going to be the loudest and most neanderthal among us, being big mad and refusing to learn anything. And doing all they can to prevent everyone else from learning too.
 
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Well, when this was the thing I was obsessed with, the political climate was really different. I was sure even then a Republican was going to win in 2016. Of course they would not expand the social safety net or restrain capitalism or anything along those lines.

But there would be a muzzle on evangelical bullshit; social policy would be very different and there wouldn't be scapegoating of immigrants and they would accept all the gains in social policy over the past 10 years. In 2015 that's what many of the major Republicans were campaigning.

It seemed much more plausible under those circumstances. Instead it became an entirely different ball game.
 
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Two comments:

1. We need to make a distinction between emotional reasoning and values-based reasoning. Values are often quite subjective, but we almost cannot reason without them.

2. This is because values are an essential input to the reasoning process. Emotions can be, too. Their best use is as data rather than as the process tool itself.
 

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Well, when this was the thing I was obsessed with, the political climate was really different. I thought a Republican was going to win in 2016. Of course they would not expand the social safety net or restrain capitalism or anything along those lines.

But there would be a muzzle on evangelical bullshit; social policy would be very different and there wouldn't be scapegoating of immigrants and they would accept all the gains in social policy over the past 10 years. In 2015 that's what many of the major Republicans were campaigning.

It seemed much more plausible under those circumstances. Instead it became an entirely different ball game.

I listened to some interesting stuff lately in BBC interviews and podcasts featuring someone from Iran who got into a lot of trouble for creating a documentary film called Holy Spider about a mysogynistic serial killer who he began to think of just reflecting the wider values of the regime.

He suggested that the kind of society the Iman's in Iran had created was being reproduced in the US by Christian evangelists.

I hate the idea but I can also see how its actually happening and playing out in real time, the thing is that this kind of political islam and radical protestant death spiral is likely to have been engineered, or at least stoked, by other sectarian or totalitarian forces who are doing the old "best thing to use against an enemy is another enemy" divide and conquer trope. Though knowledge or insight of that doesnt seem to impact the antagonists in the death spiral in any way, they're content to be some sort of pawn in someone else's grand design.
 

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Well, when this was the thing I was obsessed with, the political climate was really different. I thought a Republican was going to win in 2016. Of course they would not expand the social safety net or restrain capitalism or anything along those lines.

But there would be a muzzle on evangelical bullshit; social policy would be very different and there wouldn't be scapegoating of immigrants and they would accept all the gains in social policy over the past 10 years. In 2015 that's what many of the major Republicans were campaigning.

It seemed much more plausible under those circumstances. Instead it became an entirely different ball game.
Yeah well there is an Opus Dei psychopath running for the second highest office in the land today. I feel that's a lesser known, bigger threat at this point. (Naturally Opus Dei started under Franco in fascist Spain so that totally tracks.).
 
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I listened to some interesting stuff lately in BBC interviews and podcasts featuring someone from Iran who got into a lot of trouble for creating a documentary film called Holy Spider about a mysogynistic serial killer who he began to think of just reflecting the wider values of the regime.

He suggested that the kind of society the Iman's in Iran had created was being reproduced in the US by Christian evangelists.

I hate the idea but I can also see how its actually happening and playing out in real time, the thing is that this kind of political islam and radical protestant death spiral is likely to have been engineered, or at least stoked, by other sectarian or totalitarian forces who are doing the old "best thing to use against an enemy is another enemy" divide and conquer trope. Though knowledge or insight of that doesnt seem to impact the antagonists in the death spiral in any way, they're content to be some sort of pawn in someone else's grand design.
It is happening. I have been making this observation for years, long before Trump appeared on the scene, before John McCain gave in and pandered to the Christian Fundamentalists in an ultimately futile attempt to get elected. The ideology goes back to Reagan, at least. To the degree that this is happening, it constitutes a de facto override of our Constitution, which explicitly separates religion and public policy.
 
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Yeah well there is an Opus Dei psychopath running for the second highest office in the land today. I feel that's a lesser known, bigger threat at this point. (Naturally Opus Dei started under Franco in fascist Spain so that totally tracks.).
I think so too. If Trump kicks the bucket that would mean he would take over. Trump's awfulness could be mitigated by the fact that he's probably mentally less sharp then he used to be. Vance wouldn't have that holding him back. I also dislike his picking on childless cat ladies immensely, especially because I usually like people like that, regardless of age.

I did not know about the links to Francoist Spain with Opus Dei, but it makes sense.
 
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It is happening. I have been making this observation for years, long before Trump appeared on the scene, before John McCain gave in and pandered to the Christian Fundamentalists in an ultimately futile attempt to get elected. The ideology goes back to Reagan, at least. To the degree that this is happening, it constitutes a de facto override of our Constitution, which explicitly separates religion and public policy.
They will say that it was never meant to suggest separation of Church and State, because it simply talks about Congress being prohibited from making no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

They think that all it means is that Congress can't establish an official state church. They think there's nothing preventing them from making laws enforcing the edicts of a specific religion, for instance.
 

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I think so too. If Trump kicks the bucket that would mean he would take over. Trump's awfulness could be mitigated by the fact that he's probably mentally less sharp then he used to be. Vance wouldn't have that holding him back. I also dislike his picking on childless cat ladies immensely, especially because I usually like people like that, regardless of age.

I did not know about the links to Francoist Spain with Opus Dei, but it makes sense.
I'm almost certain that Matt Christman did episodes with the other Chapos about Opus Dei and it's founding as well as it's deep involvement in US politics.

Incidentally, Matt just wrote a book about the Spanish Civil War, which I pre-ordered and can't wait to read. His podcast with Chris Wade, Hell on Earth is so good and explains so well the rise of capitalism from the rotting corpse of feudalism.
 
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