Trump vs. Biden

[ceecee]

But I don't get the need for drama.


1. Make the deadline for mail voting something like 20th October and votes will be counted on time ... and then do the classic election night. (it is still early September and there is time)
2. Do election night only after everything is counted.


Everything else is kinda insane.

We know. But the GOP/right/conservatives will never agree to a fair and rational election, such as the above. They're terrified - which is why they are conservative.

Conservative/right in the US sense, not the European sense.

I don't especially like that YT channel, tho.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Two high rated polls in Florida are moving the state basically into a toss up. Where it will probably stay for the next 2 months.

 

[Virtual ghost]

We know. But the GOP/right/conservatives will never agree to a fair and rational election, such as the above. They're terrified - which is why they are conservative.

Conservative/right in the US sense, not the European sense.

I don't especially like that YT channel, tho.

Well YT has thrown that at me so I posted it. Since not having a country wide deal how to even do election is kinda dangerous in this situation.

 

[Virtual ghost]

That they're somehow convincing people it's really cake is breath-taking.

Well, both cakes and shit tend to look brown. So if you present it from the distance and plug people's noses ....



But it is really unbelievable that after everything there is still competitive election. Here there would be either snap elections long ago or something even more drastic would happen.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Well, both cakes and shit tend to look brown. So if you present it from the distance and plug people's noses ....

We're in the throes of a pandemic that compromises sense of taste and smell, so there's that, I guess.

 

[Jaguar]

Trump has reportedly already blown through nearly a billion dollars of his campaign cash.

Are you getting hammered with advertising in your mailbox about "Biden's radical left"?

 

[Jaguar]

1. Make the deadline for mail voting something like 20th October and votes will be counted on time ... and then do the classic election night. (it is still early September and there is time)
2. Do election night only after everything is counted.

I'm going to pretend I didn't see that.

 

[ceecee]

Are you getting hammered with advertising in your mailbox about "Biden's radical left"?

Some, not too much. I'm getting more unrelated things that are riding on the coattails of this election more than anything.

 

[Virtual ghost]

We're in the throes of a pandemic that compromises sense of taste and smell, so there's that, I guess.

Perhaps it isn't politically correct but I will place my cards on the table.


Here the government provided money to the people during the lockdown
Healthcare is a human right so COVID can't ruin you financially on personal level
Government made sure there aren't mass layoffs and it is working for months
Evictions are still on hold for the moment
There is no civil war going on
Economic drop in Q2 isn't even half of what it is over the Atlantic (percent wise and based on what I have seen)
Our deaths per capita are about 11.5 times smaller (and the absolute difference is about 960 times, since we acted on time)
The government isn't going against the medical professionals and the public never heard for the hydroxychloroquine




(and all of that under right wing government)
However truly many still think we should have done better, therefore by these standards your current administration can't get nothing but an F. So the only way how I can interpret the current election polls is that some of these people don't know how a real pandemic response should look like. The famous "law and order".

 

[Red Herring]

Perhaps it isn't politically correct but I will place my cards on the table.


Here the government provided money to the people during the lockdown
Healthcare is a human right so COVID can't ruin you financially on personal level
Government made sure there aren't mass layoffs and it is working for months
Evictions are still on hold for the moment
There is no civil war going on
Economic drop in Q2 isn't even half of what it is over the Atlantic (percent wise and based on what I have seen)
Our deaths per capita are about 11.5 times smaller (and the absolute difference is about 960 times, since we acted on time)
The government isn't going against the medical professionals and the public never heard for the hydroxychloroquine




(and all of that under right wing government)
However truly many still think we should have done better, therefore by these standards your current administration can't get nothing but an F. So the only way how I can interpret the current election polls is that some of these people don't know how a real pandemic response should look like. The famous "law and order".

Different European country here but all of the above applies to us as well. We have a quarter of the population of the US but far fewer infections or deaths from Covid-19.

Coincidentally, we also have but a very small fraction of the US's deaths by cops.

By law everybody has healthcare and universities are tuition free.

Elections are uncomplicated and uncontroversial, there are polling stations in every neighborhood and you automatically get your papers by mail. Fraud is no issue because every citizens has a national ID.

... under a conservative government.

I am not saying this to boast or to throw shade at America but to show that there are feasable alternatives out there and they are not some leftist pipe dream but a lived reality in many (largely center-right) countries.

 

[ceecee]

Different European country here but all of the above applies to us as well. We have a quarter of the population of the US but far fewer infections or deaths from Covid-19.

Coincidentally, we also have but a very small fraction of the US's deaths by cops.

By law everybody has healthcare and universities are tuition free.

Elections are uncomplicated and uncontroversial, there are polling stations in every neighborhood and you automatically get your papers by mail. Fraud is no issue because every citizens has a national ID.

... under a conservative government.

I am not saying this to boast or to throw shade at America but to show that there are feasable alternatives out there and they are not some leftist pipe dream but a lived reality in many (largely center-right) countries.

It just proves that the majority of things being demanded aren't political - they're human or civil issues. This is why a conservative government in another country can function like a developed country should and the US version just looks like a failed, ridiculous state.

 

[The Cat]

Why does a man with no principles, and no policy want access to the Oval Office?

 

[Virtual ghost]

It just proves that the majority of things being demanded aren't political - they're human or civil issues. This is why a conservative government in another country can function like a developed country should and the US version just looks like a failed, ridiculous state.

Yes, they are human and reasonable. Doing a lockdown and not giving people money to survive is simply insane.
However the irony in all this is that what US could really use more is genuine Conservatism, since that could be what it is actually lacking. If you aren't going to conserve the people then what will you conserve ?

 

[ceecee]

Yes, they are human and reasonable. Doing a lockdown and not giving people money to survive is simply insane.
However the irony in all this is that what US could really use more is genuine Conservatism, since that could be what it is actually lacking. If you aren't going to conserve the people then what will you conserve ?

You know the answer to this question. $$$

 

[The Cat]

 

[highlander]

I get really annoyed with the constant deluge of false narrative from these politicians

"Joe Biden is the radical left and will defund the police, destroy our economy. He will usher in socialism". "Biden is a mentally incompetent puppet of radical liberals" The fabrication referenced as the " deep state". All these conspiracy theorists out there.

What? Have people lost their minds?


Just absolutely unconscionable. The Republican parrty no longer has any morals or regards for the truth. I dont know who the hell these people are anymore.

You can repeatedly say things that are stupid and untrue.it will never make those things right- only convince others you have lost.your
mind.

 

[Jaguar]

.

 

[The Cat]

I always used to wonder, how the evil Mega Corps from Dystopian stories got their starts, how were they able to take over like they did. Now I know.

 

[Virtual ghost]

You know the answer to this question. $$$

That really didn't occurred to me since US on all levels seems to be fairly bad in conserving that.
81 Trillion $ as a sum of all debt doesn't really give a vibe of "fiscal responsibility". As Herring said I don't want to kick people that are down but I just don't agree with this claim.


If I can add we seem to be doing fairly well exactly since we had a few years of the government budget in surplus and now we live partially out of those savings. What prevents mass layoffs and that means that as soon as the vaccine is ready we will continue business as usual. However since the jobs were generally preserved we should quickly have a general rebound and that once again saved us some money. Plus since we have savings we can do all of this without exploding the public debt, what again saves money on interest rates. Plus since people are working there is taxation that helps maintaining this. This is "scrappy" but when you count what is going on globally we have almost normal lives. We used to be worse with money as a country but that got somewhat improved over the years.

 

[Virtual ghost]

They posted plenty of new numbers that I didn't post jet


New Jersey: Biden +18
Wisconsin: Biden +9
Arizona: Biden +5
Pennsylvania: Biden +5
NC: Trump +1
Michigan: Biden +11
Florida: Biden +3
Texas: Trump +1
Maine 2nd: Trump +2