Trump vs. Biden

[The Cat]

Get higher than that La Florida...

 

[Virtual ghost]

Different European country here but all of the above applies to us as well. We have a quarter of the population of the US but far fewer infections or deaths from Covid-19.

I did the math

Known cases per capita are about 6.5:1 (plus due to free testing you probably have less undetected cases, so the real difference is probably even higher)

Deaths per capita are about 5.5:1

... under a conservative government.

I am not saying this to boast or to throw shade at America but to show that there are feasable alternatives out there and they are not some leftist pipe dream but a lived reality in many (largely center-right) countries.

If we are going to be exact neither your or mine government are really right wing. Since both are coalitions where center right is simply the dominant factor (the concept that US doesn't even recognize as a possibility). However due to this both of our governments contain centrist and center left elements. What is probably real reason why we are doing better at the moment, since we aren't one sided. In my government the right is more dominant than in yours but it is less fiscally right than your right. However because of this your and mine country aren't afraid to deploy what must be deployed, regardless where is that on the political spectrum. Therefore in the end the main problem is that US regarding left and right thinks fundamentally in the wrong way.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Plenty of new polls



Pennsylvania: Biden +8 and +9 (very big deal since this is top quality pollster)
Wisconsin: Biden +8 and +6
Minnesota: Biden +5
Michigan: Biden +10 and +6
Arizona: Biden +4 and +3
Florida: Biden + 5 and +3
Colorado: Biden +6
NC: Biden +2 and +1
Texas: tie
Georgia: Trump +2
Ohio: Trump +5


Overall this is very good for Biden.

 

[Totenkindly]

I get really annoyed with the constant deluge of false narrative from these politicians

"Joe Biden is the radical left and will defund the police, destroy our economy. He will usher in socialism". "Biden is a mentally incompetent puppet of radical liberals" The fabrication referenced as the " deep state". All these conspiracy theorists out there.

What? Have people lost their minds?


Just absolutely unconscionable. The Republican parrty no longer has any morals or regards for the truth. I dont know who the hell these people are anymore.

You can repeatedly say things that are stupid and untrue.it will never make those things right- only convince others you have lost.your
mind.

Pretty much with all the horrible press Trump is generating lately, and down to the wire with their financial pools mostly drained, they're resorting to the only way they can potentially win. There's no damage control that can alleviate Trump's behavior, so they're moving from defense to offense.

The sad thing is, some people are buying into it enough that the Nov outcome is not clear. We're kind of in post-truth USA now, with the Internet an active tool and also the willingness to just make outrageous lies enough to obfuscate the reality. I remember when lies had to be more crafty, now it's just the absurd and yet here we are.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

What are the October surprises going to be that will inevitably be leaked from each campaign? Will they make any difference?

 

[ceecee]

What are the October surprises going to be that will inevitably be leaked from each campaign? Will they make any difference?

I really don't think so.

 

[Red Memories]

just like I hated in 2016 the message of "don't vote Trump, we will riot, we will make the next 4 years hell for it, etc." I don't like Trump/Pence trying to create a fear vote by saying the violent demonstrations are Biden's America.

I wish politicians would talk about policy instead of riding on the fear people already have. I don't think those protests are anyone's America. I feel like when I read about how Red China slowly developed that THOSE are somewhere closer to that. But I don't correlate them with peaceful vigils, I correlate them with all the violence and harassment. They can fly and travel about. I can't help but wonder whose paying the unrest. They obviously aren't working. They have days to sit and harass people everywhere. To burn buildings. Which has nothing to do with BLM or pushing the movement forward. Of course, I wonder how many people saying they support BLM realize it is more than a hashtag now and is literally a donateable organization. Because I was unaware of it until recently. In retrospect of course I don't have an issue with saying black lives matter, they matter equally to all life. But I do not condone violence or looting or building destruction done at the expense of the movement. But I just stated - I do not believe these are BLM vigils. I believe these are either counterprotestors - which some has been proven - or anarchists/communists using the BLM movement to come out and try to not just suggest change but destroy the country. and either way, Trump has done a shit job at his promises. Even my trumper grandfather is angry he hasn't done a damn thing about the unrest and is now using it as a political prop... At least Biden is suggesting compromise... We don't need a total police elimination, we just need some reform and changes to how this system works, especially when getting calls about mental health. Police are enforcers, they should be sent to actual crimes like burglaries or something. They should not be answering calls for a mentally unstable person having a meltdown and needing compassion and help, not force which will cause more trauma and possibly death...

At the same time, I struggle that every BLM person is made some living saint because they were shot by police. Most of these individuals have a lengthy track record as it is, and my grandpa did relate a lot of this right now to Rodney King. Which he said was a similar situation, this guy sold drugs to kids for years, and kept getting away with it, and the cops did rough justice. Now he actually said it was very wrong and every cop deserved to be punished, but this sorta thing is also why I think cops need help too. That's why I feel like Biden saying he is praying for BOTH of them was so strong...because the reality is...Cops are sent into environments very hostile and they are expected to be numb to all this shit but they're not. and then you get this cop who worked in a high crime rate area for years, let's say he was in a black community also, and he develops a hostile prejudice. He needs therapy and some of that "sensitivity' training reminding him that these people are human. the psychology of the situation is so much deeper and less black and white. I hate it when people call every cop bad, I also hate it when we pretend every cop deserves that level of respect.

Idaho usually isn't good about this sorta thing, but in one of our smaller communities, greatest thing. The sheriff went and got a grill, made some food, and was having conversations with the demonstrators here about the situation and what they felt could be implemented. Because he believed the only way forward is understanding. and I agree and wish more would try to do this instead of all this black and white all or nothing crap.

 

[Totenkindly]

At least Biden is suggesting compromise... We don't need a total police elimination, we just need some reform and changes to how this system works, especially when getting calls about mental health. Police are enforcers, they should be sent to actual crimes like burglaries or something. They should not be answering calls for a mentally unstable person having a meltdown and needing compassion and help, not force which will cause more trauma and possibly death...

Right. If you send in a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Police are being forced to cover a wide variety of issues, but they are designed only for some of them. The "defunding" means to allocate some of the budget towards other kinds of community staff who can better address these issues that police are not designed to handle. We've been lazy in just dumping everything into the police bucket for them to solve.

I think I just read about a 13-year-old autistic kid getting shot somehow by police over the weekend, when his mother needed a different kind of community help.

 

[The Cat]

If cops want to be "militarized", they should have just joined the military.

There's a reason we dont have active duty military doing civilian work.

 

[Red Memories]

Right. If you send in a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Police are being forced to cover a wide variety of issues, but they are designed only for some of them. The "defunding" means to allocate some of the budget towards other kinds of community staff who can better address these issues that police are not designed to handle. We've been lazy in just dumping everything into the police bucket for them to solve.

I think I just read about a 13-year-old autistic kid getting shot somehow by police over the weekend, when his mother needed a different kind of community help.

You did. I posted a link about it in a different thread I think but yeah, that hits a heavy nerve with me because both my little siblings are autistic. This could have been them...

 

[Virtual ghost]

Trump's popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they'll vote for Biden

I've not heard of Military Times before, but Alexander Vindman posted this. So that lends it some merit.

To FINALLY answer this one.


In my opinion this isn't really that surprising because people in the military are one of the most likely parts of the general pubic to know something about the world outside of US. What means that many of them know how bad things are getting for the country abroad when it comes to reputation, influence and similar stuff. Plus Trump clashes with the military on personal level to some degree.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

That poll was before the Atlantic article (which has since been verified by other sources, including FOX). It'd be interesting to see a post 'loser/sucker' update to that poll.

 

[Totenkindly]

That poll was before the Atlantic article (which has since been verified by other sources, including FOX). It'd be interesting to see a post 'loser/sucker' update to that poll.

Not sure... but the 538 gauge swung a few points in Biden's favor as of today.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Yes it moved a little bit to his favor. What is reasonable with how polls are going.


PA, MI, WI and AZ are all above +5 in polling averages in this moment.

 

[anticlimatic]

Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by Norwegian official, citing Israel-UAE peace deal | Fox News


If Obama can win a Nobel peace prize just for existing, Trump aught to be a shoe in.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

police forces as we know them were started to maintain order in company towns. Or at least that basic model persisted in just about every police department up to the modern day. They never cared that much about solving crimes. It was always about putting company/capitalist interests before the public interest.

 

[Jonny]

Fun fact, Trump was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his groundbreaking work in North Korea by the same guy (Christian Tybring-Gjedde) who nominated him again recently:

2 Norwegian lawmakers nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize | Fox News

If I were a betting man I'd say he has a snowball's chance in hell.

Something tells me this has more to do with Trump's obsession with Obama than anything else:

Rent free.

 

[ceecee]

Fun fact, Trump was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his groundbreaking work in North Korea by the same guy (Christian Tybring-Gjedde) who nominated him again recently:

2 Norwegian lawmakers nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize | Fox News

If I were a betting man I'd say he has a snowball's chance in hell.

Something tells me this has more to do with Trump's obsession with Obama than anything else:

Rent free.

And wasn't that a forgery or something? In 2018.

 

[highlander]

Fun fact, Trump was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his groundbreaking work in North Korea by the same guy (Christian Tybring-Gjedde) who nominated him again recently:

2 Norwegian lawmakers nominate Trump for Nobel Peace Prize | Fox News

If I were a betting man I'd say he has a snowball's chance in hell.

Something tells me this has more to do with Trump's obsession with Obama than anything else:

Rent free.

My faith in the American people was shattered when Trump got elected and has continued to deteriorate over time after seeing all of what's gone on. It's really impacted my image of people in the country. There really are a lot of stupid people or those with highly impaired judgment. I might have always known this but not to the degree I've come to realize. I see what are normally really good people and sometimes reasonably intelligent that they believe in the conspiracy theories, the right winged rhetoric and Trump's constant lies. It reminds me of the actions of a senseless mob. I hope will return to a sense of normalcy next year after he's out of office.

 

[ceecee]

My faith in the American people was shattered when Trump got elected and has continued to deteriorate over time after seeing all of what's gone on. It's really impacted my image of people in the country. There really are a lot of stupid people or those with highly impaired judgment. I might have always known this but not to the degree I've come to realize. I see what are normally really good people and sometimes reasonably intelligent that they believe in the conspiracy theories, the right winged rhetoric and Trump's constant lies. It reminds me of the actions of a senseless mob. I hope will return to a sense of normalcy next year after he's out of office.

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