Trump followers invade the capitol

[Totenkindly]

it was common knowledge since ancient times that the earth was round. there just wasn't certainty on how large it actually was. neither Columbus or galileo proved anything new, and these myths need to die.

yeah.....

The earliest documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it was mentioned by ancient Greek philosophers.[1][2] In the 3rd century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established the roughly spherical shape of the Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth's circumference. This knowledge was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[3][4][5][6] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's circumnavigation (1519–1522).[7]

How common was this knowledge is my only question, since knowledge was confined to books and text rather than the Internet and long before printing presses... but you would have thought the self-proclaimed scientists if anyone would have already studied this and searched out such things.

 

[FemMecha]

There was FBI evidence of voter fraud in favor of Trump in the 2016 election

Here'''s What We Know So Far About Russia'''s 2016 Meddling | Time

The fraud in this election was investigated in numerous separate court institutions, all finding the claims bogus. The 2016 election was interfered with and likely stolen and proven to be by the highest level investigating bodies in the U.S. The voting fraud in this election was PROVEN to be bullshit and yet Trump's followers tried to go beat members of congress to death.

There is no convincing any person who has been radicalized by Trump, so we have to leave them to find their rock bottom. Reason will not apply.

 

[FemMecha]

QAnon congresswoman faces calls for arrest after live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

Some Democrats in Congress are worried their colleagues might kill them

"Mom they did it too" is not going to pan out as a moral justification for Trump and his followers.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

yeah.....



How common was this knowledge is my only question, since knowledge was confined to books and text rather than the Internet and long before printing presses... but you would have thought the self-proclaimed scientists if anyone would have already studied this and searched out such things.

I guess it would have been "common" among scholars and educated people, so overall, not common knowledge among the masses. I seem to remember reading that sailors prior to Columbus were aware of the earth's sphericity, but I don't have a citation for that. Vikings and some fishermen were also aware of land across the north atlantic. Africans may have reached South America by boat in pre-Colombian times, but, again, I have no citations to support this. And I don't know if the Vikings and those Africans would have been aware of the Earth's shape.

 

[FemMecha]

A Revolution of Nothing

 

[The Cat]

A Revolution of Nothing

 

[ceecee]

Steve Bannon Urged Facebook Followers to ''Take Action'' on Eve of Capitol Riot

 

[cascadeco]

QAnon congresswoman faces calls for arrest after live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

Some Democrats in Congress are worried their colleagues might kill them

"Mom they did it too" is not going to pan out as a moral justification for Trump and his followers.

I can only hope the trash that Boebert is / represents eventually gets booted out permanently. I'd be happy with super soon, but who knows these days.

 

[Totenkindly]

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

The FiveThirtyEight aggregate Trump disapproval value hit 58% today.

This is the high mark now of Trump's entire term, I had skimmed through the curves earlier this week and I think his peak before now during his presidency was around 57.6% or something.

I guess that is a "foot planted on bottom, push hard, see ya later bye" scenario.

 

[Virtual ghost]

QAnon congresswoman faces calls for arrest after live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters

If this is true story there needs to be a trial for sure. Since this simply isn't really excusable "mistake".
Here it is normal to arrest politicians for much milder stuff.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

it was common knowledge since ancient times that the earth was round. there just wasn't certainty on how large it actually was. neither Columbus or galileo proved anything new, and these myths need to die.

But if most people believe it was Galileo, then that makes it true. (I'm being puerile and absurd to prove the weakness of the statement Jonny quoted).

(I'm pretty sure he's quoted variations of it before, similarly trying to explain that there *is* an objective reality out there to reference correctly/incorrectly, thereby making it one of the absurdest Didi/Gogo-like staples of these kinds of threads ).

 

[Z Buck McFate]

QAnon congresswoman faces calls for arrest after live-tweeting Nancy Pelosi's location to rioters - Raw Story - Celebrating 16 Years of Independent Journalism

I'm going to guess that among most people who hated Trump to begin with - and were deemed too irrational in that contempt, for predicting far less severe consequences, to assess his attributes fairly - never would have imagined it would get this far. I know I didn't.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

WaPo: How the rioters who stormed the Capitol came dangerously close to Pence

Pence and his family had just ducked into a hideaway less than 100 feet from that landing, according to three people familiar with his whereabouts, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. If the pro-Trump mob had arrived seconds earlier, the attackers would have been in eyesight of the vice president as he was rushed across a reception hall into the office.
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[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

I know a cat's paw when I see it...Look for the monkey trying to look innocent.

 

[Jonny]

How can be so sure your facts are not influenced by narratives and false information? You say its false information and propaganda, but who said it was? The people in charge of the narrative? The government? What makes you believe them? It's like saying "who would tell lies on the internet?" It literally makes no sense how you could have so much faith in a government, who you simultaneously believes takes part in systematic racism and voter suppression. Just let that sink in for a moment. You really don't think they don't cater and play to both sides to get you to trust them?

This is all nonsense. "The government" as you call it is comprised of tens of thousands of individuals in different states/districts. I don't necessary "believe them" per se. Simply put, there has been no evidence of fraud provided. Furthermore, the scope of the conspiracy necessary to change election results across the country beggars belief. These are systems with Republican and Democratic volunteers working side-by-side...many of the former are Trump supporters. People who have put forth these false narratives of election rigging are having to walk-back their slander: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html.

Joe Biden gained several points over Trump versus 2016 in almost all states. For example, in the disputed battlegrounds: GA +5.4%, PA +1.9%, WI +1.4%, MI +3.0%, AZ +3.9%, NV +0.0%. And in states Trump/Biden won handedly: CO +8.6%, KY +3.9%, MO +3.2%, IN +3.1%. There were only a handful of states where Trump performed better than in 2016: FL -2.2%, AR -0.7%, CA -0.9%, HI -2.7%, IL -0.1%, UT -2.4%. The fact is, while Biden is certainly not as popular as Obama was, Trump is so wildly unpopular among the left and moderates that the desire to see him replaced by Biden eclipses the desire to see Obama in office back in 2008/2012.

This is what's so weird to me. You (Trump supporters) simultaneously feel like an oppressed people afraid to express your beliefs while also showing up at boat parades and rallies, flying Trump flags, and believing you are some sort of silent majority. And yet, you cannot fathom that enough people don't like your beliefs or Trump that they would vote in large numbers against him? Ridiculous.

And it isn't incongruous to believe that the election wasn't systematically rigged against Donald Trump while also believing in systemic racism and voter suppression. First, voter suppression is legal and done out in the open. Polling places in largely minority communities were closed. This is plain for all to see. The republican legislature in Florida overrode the will of the people in that state by requiring that felons that vote while still owing some money to the government will be sent back to prison. Look it up. It's plain as day, and nobody disputes it. Second, systemic racism can also be shown. It isn't an allegation of a government-wide conspiracy to subjugate minorities, simply a statement about our system and its inherited prejudice.

 

[Totenkindly]

I'm going to guess that among most people who hated Trump to begin with - and were deemed too irrational in that contempt, for predicting far less severe consequences, to assess his attributes fairly - never would have imagined it would get this far. I know I didn't.

By a year in, it no longer would have surprised me about Trump doing these things; but I feel like I was blind to the reality that those in power who were trusted to stop such things would either prove entirely ineffectual or would willingly support/promote his behavior.

I don't consider it a huge victory for democracy and its structures in this country; I feel like it is simply the ineptness of Trump and followers that prevented a much larger catastrophe. (Viewing it through process/architectural lenses and systems analyst eyes. Humans are the weak link; we can simply choose to violate the processes and structures that were laid down to prevent this kind of thing. SO many of our checks-and-balances folks were actually complicit here.)

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

But if most people believe it was Galileo, then that makes it true. (I'm being puerile and absurd to prove the weakness of the statement Jonny quoted).

(I'm pretty sure he's quoted variations of it before, similarly trying to explain that there *is* an objective reality out there to reference correctly/incorrectly, thereby making it one of the absurdest Didi/Gogo-like staples of these kinds of threads ).

my bad

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Reuters: U.S. says Capitol rioters meant to 'capture and assassinate' officials - filing

The detention memo, written by Justice Department lawyers in Arizona, goes into greater detail about the FBI’s investigation into Chansley, revealing that he left a note for Pence warning that “it’s only a matter of time, justice is coming.”

“Strong evidence, including Chansley’s own words and actions at the Capitol, supports that the intent of the Capitol rioters was to capture and assassinate elected officials in the United States government,” prosecutors wrote.
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That letter, in itself, doesn't seem like iron-clad proof of plans to capture and assassinate. It's unfortunate they're not listing any periphery information that supports this headline (like the nooses hung up outside).

WaPo ran a similar headline, only additionally mentioning this:

One man, for instance, was arrested and accused of carrying a pistol on the Capitol grounds. Others wore tactical gear or brought zip ties, which can be used as handcuffs, officials said. And another was arrested after his truck was spotted nearby, allegedly with 11 molotov cocktails inside.
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