Toxic Feminism

[yeghor]

Put in effort when forming your ideas.

Why don't you fuck off if you aren't going to be useful?

 

[Totenkindly]

Another enneagram 5 with Sx instinct identifying with Salome.

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Well, Eruca identified with me too in there (I'm Jennifer). I'm about as N as you can get. But Salome and I had a different mix of function strengths that didn't always mesh.

I could see why you might type her as ISTP. I don't really have an idea. I found her very hard to type because there was stuff in the interaction style that might have stemmed from something besides foundational type. For all of our interactions being on a typology site, I tend to recall her in terms of being a unique person versus associating her as a particular type.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Why don't you fuck off if you aren't going to be useful?

Woah. It's not my job to dig up her old posts. I have more pressing concerns now, sorry.

 

[Luminous]

Men bashers=/= feminism. Men bashers=men bashers.

Exactly.

Many concepts encompass more than one variety.

 

[yeghor]

Well, Eruca identified with me too in there (I'm Jennifer). I'm about as N as you can get. But Salome and I had a different mix of function strengths that didn't always mesh.

I could see why you might type her as ISTP. I don't really have an idea. I found her very hard to type because there was stuff in the interaction style that might have stemmed from something besides foundational type. For all of our interactions being on a typology site, I tend to recall her in terms of being a unique person versus associating her as a particular type.

People in the forum cannot tell sensors and intuitives apart. I am hung up on it cause INxJs are associated with mean people whereas IRL they are the ones who end up on the receiving end of meanness due to their physical frailty and abnormal demeanor, being Se-inferior, they end up receiving abuse from high Se types like xSTPs. The ones who abuse INxJs IRL end up typing and presenting themselves as INTJs in MBTI, victimizing INTJs twice.

"Oh they are smart and mean/villainy/a ruthless dick, they are such an INTJ". No, that's so wrong. People falsely associate INTJs with cunning and power/cruelty and those who ascribe to those qualities keep flocking to the type, reinforcing that perception. At the end of the day, an INTJ is still an IxxJ, and would favor order and conscientous/responsible behaviour.

Just like there used to be enneagram 4s flocking to the INFJ type and who were most likely ISFPs in reality, there seems to be an abundance of E5s flocking to the INTJ type who are most likely ISTPs, especially if their dominant instinctual variant is Sx.

Exactly.

Many concepts encompass more than one variety.

That's why we have the term "radical feminists". Feminism serves as a sanctionable ideology for antisocial women (radical feminists) who want to bash men without facing repercussions. It gives them a justifiable excuse to act mean towards and lash out at men without feeling remorse. They are trying to settle old scores for traumas caused by antisocial men, but any other men, who are not necessarily antisocial, that they can get their teeth/claws into. That makes them sexist and misandrists.

 

[yeghor]

"They are trying to settle old scores for traumas caused by antisocial men, but *with* any other men, who are not necessarily antisocial, that they can get their teeth/claws into. That makes them sexist and misandrists.

 

[yeghor]

People in the forum cannot tell sensors and intuitives apart. I am hung up on it cause INxJs are associated with mean people whereas IRL they are the ones who end up on the receiving end of meanness due to their physical frailty and abnormal demeanor, being Se-inferior, they end up receiving abuse from high Se types like xSTPs. The ones who abuse INxJs IRL end up typing and presenting themselves as INTJs in MBTI, victimizing INTJs twice.

By doing so, they practically end up denying INTJs' the right to exist and recognition both IRL and in online typology forums.

 

[chickpea]

Salome was cool and funny and everyone who voted “adamantly against” in this poll has been put on my personal watchlist.

 

[yeghor]

Salome was cool and funny and everyone who voted “adamantly against” in this poll has been put on my personal watchlist.

Good idea. I've put anyone who voted "adamantly for" in the poll on my watchlist too.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I voted positively and in the middle.

This forum had better content when there were more women around.

 

[yeghor]

I voted positively and in the middle.

This forum had better content when there were more women around.

Yeah, I would want more women around if I were an F type too.

 

[Totenkindly]

*tickles yeghor

you should smile more!

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Yeah, I would want more women around if I were an F type too.

This is exactly how I expect you to react.

 

[Coriolis]

Someone who wants my opinion on feminism will have to define it so I know what they mean. Or, they can accept my definition, which I consider positive, constructive, and even necessary.

 

[yeghor]

Someone who wants my opinion on feminism will have to define it so I know what they mean. Or, they can accept my definition, which I consider positive, constructive, and even necessary.

The toxic version meant in the thread title is something like this.

 

[yeghor]

The toxic version meant in the thread title is something like this.

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@Coriolis Also highlander has quite a good intro in the OP about what he means by toxic feminism.

 

[MPP]

If it's about equality of opportunity, then it's good feminism. If it's about equality of outcome, it's discriminatory and it could be called toxic. Also, often it's motivated by resentment and playing the victim card.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

There is nothing left for feminism to achieve.

Just watching it die a slow death.

 

[yeghor]

There is nothing left for feminism to achieve.

Just watching it die a slow death.

Funny thing is, so long as hypermasculine and intolerant men continue to exist in significant proportion, feminism will also be able to justify its continued existence as well.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

existence and cultural relevance are two separate things.