Toxic Feminism

[Lark]

I think there's toxic anti-feminism too to be honest.

Thinking About It Only Makes It Worse: And Other Lessons from Modern Life: Amazon.co.uk: David Mitchell: 9781783350575: Books

I dont really like David Mitchell, although I've decided I dont need to in order to know that he makes good points, one of them, the principle one in this essay was about the whole dispute between christian hardliners (rarer in the UK than the US, of a different sort altogether I would say) and secular hardliners over the display of religious iconography, I think its a plumber or electrician driving a white van with a reed crucifix in the windshield or something (yeah, I know) anyway, he said something about dignifying things with your attention or dignifying things with significance, either way, food for thought.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think there's toxic anti-feminism too to be honest.

Thinking About It Only Makes It Worse: And Other Lessons from Modern Life: Amazon.co.uk: David Mitchell: 9781783350575: Books

I dont really like David Mitchell, although I've decided I dont need to in order to know that he makes good points, one of them, the principle one in this essay was about the whole dispute between christian hardliners (rarer in the UK than the US, of a different sort altogether I would say) and secular hardliners over the display of religious iconography, I think its a plumber or electrician driving a white van with a reed crucifix in the windshield or something (yeah, I know) anyway, he said something about dignifying things with your attention or dignifying things with significance, either way, food for thought.

Toxicity is to be found in any ideology or train of thought

 

[Mole]

cool story bro keep dodging the question. Equality of outcome is exemplified by socialism while equality of opportunity is exemplified by classical liberalism.

We have discovered that power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, so in response we created liberal democracy based on the limitation of power. And we limit power but pitting one power against another power, in this case classical liberalism against democratic socialism. And they both limit the power of the other.

The intuitive impulse of politicians is to maximise their power, while democracy counter-intuitively limits the power of politicians.

But liberal democracy is not alone in being counter intuitive. Modern economics is counter-intuitive, almost all of science is counter-intuitive, general relativity is counter-intuitive, quantum mechanics is counter-intuitive, the cosmology of the universe is counter-intuitive, statistics is counter-intuitive, much of modern art and music are counter-intuitive, the geology of the Earth is counter-intuitive, the origin of species is counter-intuitive, and feminism is counter-intuitive.

For 300,000 years we lived in an intuitive world, and then from about the 15th century we started to live in a counter-intuitive world. So the interesting question is why, after 300,000 years, did we start to live in a counter-intuitive world a mere few hundred years ago?

 

[Mole]

Patriarchal power affects both women and men, and it affects women and men differently.

This provides an opportunity for the neurotic to use this difference as a psychological defence.

So rather than limiting patriarchal power to increase the freedom and equality of women and men, the neurotic argues on one side or the other, in order to defend their own psyche.

 

[jixmixfix]

We have discovered that power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, so in response we created liberal democracy based on the limitation of power. And we limit power but pitting one power against another power, in this case classical liberalism against democratic socialism. And they both limit the power of the other.

Except liberal democracy is a scam and does not limit power it increases government power who serves their own self interests.

The intuitive impulse of politicians is to maximise their power, while democracy counter-intuitively limits the power of politicians.

Democracy is a just a word there is nothing democratic about socialism. Democratic socialism is a marketing term.

But liberal democracy is not alone in being counter intuitive. Modern economics is counter-intuitive, almost all of science is counter-intuitive, general relativity is counter-intuitive, quantum mechanics is counter-intuitive, the cosmology of the universe is counter-intuitive, statistics is counter-intuitive, much of modern art and music are counter-intuitive, the geology of the Earth is counter-intuitive, the origin of species is counter-intuitive, and feminism is counter-intuitive.

you said it not me.

For 300,000 years we lived in an intuitive world, and then from about the 15th century we started to live in a counter-intuitive world. So the interesting question is why, after 300,000 years, did we start to live in a counter-intuitive world a mere few hundred years ago?

For 300,000 years we lived in a world governed by our need for survival and thus our species evolved so we still have those same instincts and genetics that influence our lives today. Large government is anti human it limits our creativity and instincts and works against them to suppress our needs and desires.

 

[jixmixfix]

Patriarchal power affects both women and men, and it affects women and men differently.

This provides an opportunity for the neurotic to use this difference as a psychological defence.

So rather than limiting patriarchal power to increase the freedom and equality of women and men, the neurotic argues on one side or the other, in order to defend their own psyche.

Patriarchy is a b.s term used by feminists to blame men for all their problems.

 

[Mole]

Patriarchy is a b.s term used by feminists to blame men for all their problems.

This is not an analysis of feminism, it doesn't evaluate feminism, and it doesn't integrate feminism into our daily life, rather it is an insult used as a psychological defence.

 

[Mole]

Except liberal democracy is a scam and does not limit power it increases government power who serves their own self interests.


Democracy is a just a word there is nothing democratic about socialism. Democratic socialism is a marketing term.

you said it not me.

For 300,000 years we lived in a world governed by our need for survival and thus our species evolved so we still have those same instincts and genetics that influence our lives today. Large government is anti human it limits our creativity and instincts and works against them to suppress our needs and desires.

It is plain you don't understand even the terms of modern politics. You come here to share your psychological defences with us. You blurt them at us.

Interestingly you want us to join you, and meet psychological defence with psychological defence. This is a form of group neurosis often found in cults.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Patriarchy is a b.s term used by feminists to blame men for all their problems.

I think a better way of looking at patriarchy theory is as a projection. Understanding male and female in group biases makes it clearer

 

[jixmixfix]

It is plain you don't understand even the terms of modern politics.

The problem with modern politics is exactly that, people trying to understand the theory without understanding the consequences of it's real world applications.

You come here to share your psychological defences with us. You blurt them at us.

Interestingly you want us to join you, and meet psychological defence with psychological defence. This is a form of group neurosis often found in cults.

It's funny because you're a collectivist who talks to people like a cult leader. You must have some really high cognitive dissonance to not notice that or just lack in social skills.

 

[jixmixfix]

I think a better way of looking at patriarchy theory is as a projection. Understanding male and female in group biases makes it clearer

Feminists confuse biological constructs with social constructs.

 

[Mole]

The problem with modern politics is exactly that, people trying to understand the theory without understanding the consequences of it's real world applications.

It's funny because you're a collectivist who talks to people like a cult leader. You must have some really high cognitive dissonance to not notice that or just lacking in social skills.

Actually I am not a collectivist rather I support liberal democracy and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, however I do recognise neurosis when I meet it, and I am familiar with its psychological defences.

And you seem so determined to parade your psychological defences here, I can't help wondering what lies behind your psychological defences. My guess it is less than savoury.

 

[highlander]

Patriarchy is a b.s term used by feminists to blame men for all their problems.

I pretty much agree with this. It is some kind of bizarre fabrication like the talk of communists in the 50s. I'm sure it makes sense to some segment of the population. People just follow these absurd ideas like sheep going off a cliff together.

 

[jixmixfix]

This is not an analysis of feminism, it doesn't evaluate feminism, and it doesn't integrate feminism into our daily life, rather it is an insult used as a psychological defence.

No, that's pretty much what feminists do you give them a statistic about the high male suicide rate and instead of actually looking into the issue they simply blame patriarchy and call it a day. It's cult like behavior much like how socialists blame capitalism for all of the worlds problems.

 

[Mole]

I pretty much agree with this. It is some kind of bizarre fabrication like the talk of communists in the 50s. I'm sure it makes sense to some segment of the population. People just follow these absurd ideas like sheep going off a cliff together.

Patriarchy is an analysis of male/female relations in terms of power. It is similar to the analysis of politics in terms of power. In fact liberal democracy is based on the limitation of power, arrived at over centuries. And naturally those with power don't want their power limited. But we have found that power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and it plain the power men have over women corrupts men.

 

[Mole]

No, that's pretty much what feminists do you give them a statistic about the high male suicide rate and instead of actually looking into the issue they simply blame patriarchy and call it a day. It's cult like behavior much like how socialists blame capitalism for all of the worlds problems.

It's becoming plain that what you are saying makes no intellectual sense, so you are here for emotional reasons, and you are unable to articulate your emotions. So you are taking a lend of us.

 

[jixmixfix]

It's becoming plain that what you are saying makes no intellectual sense, so you are here for emotional reasons, and you are unable to articulate your emotions. So you are taking a lend of us.

No it makes perfect sense actually have fun praising the religion of feminism.

 

[highlander]

Patriarchy is an analysis of male/female relations in terms of power. It is similar to the analysis of politics in terms of power. In fact liberal democracy is based on the limitation of power, arrived at over centuries. And naturally those with power don't want their power limited. But we have found that power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and it plain the power men have over women corrupts men.

I still don'r buy any of it. There is no invisible hand or secret conspiracy. There is only the the continual and unrelenting force of capitalism that drives behavior to achieve profit. It cares not whether one is male, female, martian or otherwise

 

[Mole]

I still don'r buy any of it. There is no invisible hand or secret conspiracy. There is only the the continual and unrelenting force of capitalism that drives behavior to achieve profit. It cares not whether one is male, female, martian or otherwise

I imagine you would have no problem with talking about power politics, or even power race relations, but you do have a problem talking about power gender relations. Of course power is not the only parameter by which we can analyse gender relations, there are many more, which you may find more congenial, but it seems to me that the very idea of the patriarchy is about the parameter of power.

Power does make many of us uncomfortable, not realising we have been grappling with power for many centuries, and through political struggle and reflection we we settled on liberal democracy, based on the limitation of power. And finding the limitation of power in one sphere, we have extended it to other spheres, such as slavery, the emancipation of women called feminism, and the prosecution of child sexual abuse in prosperous countries.

 

[Mole]

No it makes perfect sense actually have fun praising the religion of feminism.

Feminism is not a religion. It is a Western social movement growing out of liberal democracy and the limitation of power, in this case, the limitation of the power of men over women.

It is world wide social movement primarily in the West, in which women gained the vote for the first time in history in South Australia in 1894.

And just as slave owners were corrupted by the power they had over slaves, so men are corrupted by the power they have over women, and just as paedophiles are corrupted by the power they have over children.