[INTJ] The Official INTJ Haters' Thread

[TheLastMohican]

Well said!

Muahahaha. I'm an INTJ without much Ni. I win!

But I am an INTJ with a fair amount of Ni, which is always right! I win!

 

[sriv]

But I am an INTJ with a fair amount of Ni, which is always right! I win!

Oh yeah, well...what did you eat for dinner exactly three weeks ago?

My Si tells me I ate chicken curry w/ rice and some chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

 

[Kiddo]

I'm an INFJ with Ni and Fe. I'm above the concept of winning.

 

[TheLastMohican]

Oh yeah, well...what did you eat for dinner exactly three weeks ago?

My Ni knows that that information is completely inconsequential. Therefore my S(e) can ignore it.

 

[INTJMom]

My Ni knows that that information is completely inconsequential. Therefore my S(e) can ignore it.

Precisely!
Inconsequential information!

 

[Haphazard]

The only thing wrong with an INTJ is Ni.

For them, having an argument (as well as... nearly everything else) involves some form of "where's waldo"

You can change the scenery, and the people all you want, but that little mother fucker will pop up... eventually they'll find a place for him.

It's nearly impossible to prove an INTJ wrong because they favor such broad abstractions. True, that might be a good thing, but what they obsess over, are often so broad that they're meaningless, except in a few places.

It's even worse with EN_Js though -- I will say that. The problem I have with the Ni, isn't the Ni itself, but the overconfidence (supplied by Je) a they have in it.

Yes.

At least give us Waldo. He's the only ace we got.

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that the order of the functions has nothing to do with 'how much' of something one has but rather how conscious something is... I guess how much use would be proper? But then, Sriv, what I don't understand, is that if you have not much use of Ni, then you'd have less use of Te, and less use of Fi, and even less use of Se... so that would mean your brain isn't very useful at all, right?

 

[sriv]

Yes.

At least give us Waldo. He's the only ace we got.

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that the order of the functions has nothing to do with 'how much' of something one has but rather how conscious something is... I guess how much use would be proper? But then, Sriv, what I don't understand, is that if you have not much use of Ni, then you'd have less use of Te, and less use of Fi, and even less use of Se... so that would mean your brain isn't very useful at all, right?

Let's try not to turn this into a conversation about me again.

I just do not have much Ni relative to an INTJ. It just balances the other functions.

 

[Haphazard]

Let's try not to turn this into a conversation about me again.

I just do not have much Ni relative to an INTJ. It just balances the other functions.

Aww, but you're such a fun subject!

I'm just curious, though. What's your understanding of Ni?

 

[Provoker]

It is hard to bash my own type. Even in the bashing there a bias. If I claim, X really pisses me off about INTJs, I take pride in that X. That variable (X) was worthy of being mentioned. If it was mentioned then it has surfaced to consciousness and what surfaces to consciousness is contemplated and given serious thought. If I describe myself as a quashed voluptuous-seeking insect and bad seed from which nothing good grows, there is honor in that. I am an insect. That's definitive. In a world where people never cultivate any real meaning in their lives - that is - fail to define their existence as either hero nor insect as neither prince nor scoundrel at least there is something for my existence to cling to. If I am an insect, I am proud to be an insect and if hero- proud too. The point is that it is impossible to be authentically vicious toward the self. There are build in defense-systems shielding one from drawing on anything remotely true about the core of what makes the INTJ tick.

The bias is, for example, so obvious when INTJs call their emotional numbness a weakness when they secretely take pride in being cold calculating bastards. WHen was the last time an INTJ said our biggest weakness is lack of intelligence?? It doesn't happen. Do I believe it. No, I consider myself a genius. ThAT's the problem. The only valid contributions made in this thread are those posts that come from non-INTJ posters because it is impossible to fully objective with respect to the self. There are subconscious biases that pervert the truth.

 

[Haphazard]

The bias is, for example, so obvious when INTJs call their emotional numbness a weakness when they secretely take pride in being cold calculating bastards.

I am so totally not emotionally numb! I just appear that way.

I figure that INTJs know they have 'weaknesses' and take a lot of pride in knowing these weaknesses and when they can be strengths. Everything's a double-edged sword to them. Also, how can you know where to defend if you don't know where the weaknesses are? Weaknesses they don't know about... are weaknesses they don't know about. Weaknesses that they don't know how to turn into strengths just leave shame.

 

[Provoker]

My philosophy is to turn weakness into my strength. By using the possibility of being wrong to further my education and understanding of things it allows me to become more right in the long term thus rewarding me and making it logical to consider people for who they are not entirely on whether or not I think of them being worthwhile (which I am guilty of).
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You made a very interesting post and said some very inspiring things, but I disagree with one of your fundamental analytical points. Let me begin by contextualizing this. Suppose there is a chessplayer and there is a chessmaster teaching the chessplayer. Let's say the objective is to make the chessplayer the best he or she can be. One approach is to reveal the weaknesses and build on them. Another approach is to build on the chessplayers strength.

Your philosophy seems to be predicated on strengthening weaknesses whereas I think one should always play to their strength. If one is a boxer, and you're fast but fighting someone more powerful does the trainer tell (in between rounds) to sit down and unload more powerful punches. No, he will say use your speed because that is the boxers strength. Is Mayweather going to stand still and trade with De La Hoya? No, he's going to punch and move and use his footwork and agility (his strength). In matters of warfare, whether it's physical, intellectual, or psychological warfare one ought to play to their strength and focus on refining their strength rather than strengthening their weaknesses.

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[sriv]

My Ni knows that that information is completely inconsequential. Therefore my S(e) can ignore it.

I can tell a lot about a person from what they ate three weeks ago.

 

[entropie]

The good thing about iNTj's is, you can say you hate them and you do not have to feel any guilt about it.

 

[nightning]

You made a very interesting post and said some very inspiring things, but I disagree with one of your fundamental analytical points. Let me begin by contextualizing this. Suppose there is a chessplayer and there is a chessmaster teaching the chessplayer. Let's say the objective is to make the chessplayer the best he or she can be. One approach is to reveal the weaknesses and build on them. Another approach is to build on the chessplayers strength.

Your philosophy seems to be predicated on strengthening weaknesses whereas I think one should always play to their strength. If one is a boxer, and you're fast but fighting someone more powerful does the trainer tell (in between rounds) to sit down and unload more powerful punches. No, he will say use your speed because that is the boxers strength. Is Mayweather going to stand still and trade with De La Hoya? No, he's going to punch and move and use his footwork and agility (his strength). In matters of warfare, whether it's physical, intellectual, or psychological warfare one ought to play to their strength and focus on refining their strength rather than strengthening their weaknesses.

Agreed that it would be too difficult to turn weaknesses into strengths... but such does not mean that weaknesses should not be identified so that you're at least aware of them. If you can't take the hits, move and don't get hit. You wouldn't think to move so much unless you know that you can't take punches very well.

The difference between a specialist and a well-rounded individual... I guess times have changed... the Renaissance man is a rare breed nowadays. People aren't trained in the same way anymore... Like those thoroughbred race horses... a pity.

 

[matmos]

The good thing about iNTj's is, you can say you hate them and you do not have to feel any guilt about it.

You may even get some respect for your honesty.

But as a mere earthling you would be pitied for your inability to harness your emotions. And they'd use it to their advantage at a later date

 

[01011010]

OP: Wimps

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nt-rationale/14259-you-know-you-intj-when.html

The good thing about iNTj's is, you can say you hate them and you do not have to feel any guilt about it.

Exactly. I'd laugh in amusement. Double so, if we knew each other.

 

[Costrin]

OP: Wimps

http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nt-rationale/14259-you-know-you-intj-when.html




Exactly. I'd even laugh in amusement.

*skims thread*

So, basically, this thread devolved into actual discussion?

INTJs ruin everything. Seriously, you guys are like humour vacuums. Just sucking the fun out of everything.

 

[groovejet02]

INTJs are awesome.

At least my best friend is

 

[SilentStream]

Are you sure that you're not just seeing an INTJ behaving badly socially? You know, as they are apt to do.

An INTJ may realize that they said something wrong and be so embarassed that they desperately try to save face by pretending that it wasn't a mistake. Even though they knew it was wrong, well, to a lot of INTJs being wrong is something that leads to a lot of torment -- a lot of friends and family exploiting the fact that they were wrong once, showing it off as a badge of honor. They know they're wrong and they don't want to be reminded of it.

Still a personality flaw (maybe if they didn't try to cover up mistakes so much like this, people wouldn't feel like they could exploit this as weakness?), but not quite the the one you're thinking of.

Ha! My brother and I tease my mum unmercifully when she makes a mistake. You should see her squirm! It's the only time you will see her flustered. But it's really a compliment because she isn't often wrong, so we take advantage of it when we can .

 

[scantilyclad]

I hate that i can't offend my INTJ, no matter how hard i try. what is wrong with you people?