The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[ceecee]

Trump shares quite decent amount of traits with authoritarian figures from Europe's past. However he still has quite a few American traits due to which such comparisons can look shallow. Therefore drawing parallels all over the place perhaps isn't the best way to attract people. Plus just as I said Trump itself is just the symptom of the problem(s). Would he ever become president in the case that he had at least somewhat likable or moral counter-candidate ? Would he stay the president in the case that his own party in the Senate looks at arguments or big picture ? Would he become president in the case that someone for decades wasn't preparing culture and economy that will be the the landing site of his political power ? What can be said about American media culture if even after everything that happened he still has a decent chance of being reelected ? (polls and tweets aren't real politics that is fact based)



However these are questions that require some reflection and the US is so speed up society that most people will not do it. However the Trump isn't really the problem, he is the outcome of much deeper systematic problems that usually aren't addressed. Especially since they are in play for so long that most people forgot how "normal" actually looks like (or they simply died of all age). Just by watching posts or videos here I see that most just don't know anymore what is "normal". Since all definitions are either blurred or defined as subjective. However until this is solved there will always be some new Trump that will come along down the road. Because mess tends to create strongmen.

Totally agree. This is why I support them getting addressed no matter how uncomfortable it makes some. Participatory democracy and an informed/educated populace isn't something up for negotiation. Because when you give opinion the same validity fact has, this is what you get.

Trump-supporting QAnon conspiracist likely to win US House seat in Georgia - Business Insider

 

[anticlimatic]

his sadism, gas-lighting, cultish power is really on display. The hate level is off the charts from him and his fans because they are in a super safe space and can say and pretty much do what they want.

How ironic is it that I could literally say the same thing about your presence on this forum, word for word.

 

[ceecee]

How ironic is it that I could literally say the same thing about your presence on this forum, word for word.

It's amazing that you grant me as much power over you as the president of the United States.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Totally agree. This is why I support them getting addressed no matter how uncomfortable it makes some. Participatory democracy and an informed/educated populace isn't something up for negotiation. Because when you give opinion the same validity fact has, this is what you get.

Trump-supporting QAnon conspiracist likely to win US House seat in Georgia - Business Insider

To be honest when I see American "gun porn" my first thought is generally "What makes you think your target(s) wouldn't shoot back?"



On the other hand in my book there is no socialism in US: what Americans consider their local socialism is a mix of liberals, anarchists, remains of the unions and some free thinkers. While real Socialists can retaliate with nukes at any time. So that is the fight you can't really win on that way.

 

[ceecee]

74% Of Americans Support George Floyd Protests, Majority Disapprove Of Trump’s Handling, Poll Says

 

[rav3n]

I mean, someone can only really troll you if you don't get their intent though. I would say he tries to troll the media to try to make them look dumb, not really the American people. Like he'll literally say in rallies YOU GUYS get my joke, but watch the headlines will be tomorrow.... I'm smart enough to get sarcasm etc. in other people, because I use it often myself.

Did you really sweep away Trump's racist policies, never mind his racist and divisive rhetoric? This is called apolojism.

Also, there's significant correlation between racism, trolling and psychopathy.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

Did you really sweep away Trump's racist policies, never mind his racist and divisive rhetoric? This is called apolojism.

Also, there's significant correlation between racism, trolling and psychopathy.

We've veered way off topic, I think.

 

[rav3n]

We've veered way off topic, I think.

Your initial post about admiring Trump for his trolling was the starting point to the 'off-topic' aspect.

Fact-checker counts 16K false, misleading claims by Trump in three years | TheHill

President Trump has made 16,241 false or misleading claims during his three years in office, according to The Washington Post’s Fact Checker.

In 2019, Trump reportedly more than doubled the number of false or misleading claims he made compared to his first two years in office combined. Trump made 8,155 suspect claims in 2019, surpassing his 7,688 from 2017 and 2018 combined, the newspaper reported.

It added that the president averaged more than 22 false or misleading claims a day in 2019.

Nearly 1,000 of the false and misleading claims last year dealt with Trump's comments about the investigation into his dealings with Ukraine, which were the subject of his impeachment, according to the Post. Nearly 70 times, Trump claimed a whistleblower complaint about his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was inaccurate. The Post, however, notes the report captured the content of the call and other details of the report have been confirmed.

Now, back to topic. The cops broke into a congressman's office so they could chill while looting was happening in neighboring stores.

Live Protests Today Updates: George Floyd, Police and BLM - The New York Times

A Chicago congressman says security video from his campaign office shows police officers relaxing there while nearby stores were vandalized.

 

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Apparently six blocks of Seattle has seceded from the union and formed it's own sovereign nation of CHAZ:

A look inside Seattle's 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone'

Lets hope the government learned its lesson from Waco and can manage to dissolve the cultish ridiculousness going on there without burning the whole area to the ground.

“The homeles [sic] people we invited took away all the food at the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,” the person tweeted. “We need more food to keep the area operational. please if possible bring vegan meat substitutes, fruits, oats, soy products, etc. – anything to help us eat.”

 

[anticlimatic]

It's amazing that you grant me as much power over you as the president of the United States.

Power is your currency. I just enjoy it when you accidentally indicate how much you have in common with the president. Inclines me to believe you have the same opinion of yourself as I do, and I always appreciate rare moments of solidarity like that.

Maybe Protests and Outdoor Crowds Won't Significantly Spread the Coronavirus after All | National Review

And since we are all pivoting back to coronavirus now that the protests have gone from reasonable proposals with a chance of solidarity (ending police brutality) to insane leftist shit (like canceling paw patrol and tearing down the washington monument), I think it's at least good news that there's a good chance these last few weeks won't contribute to another spike. The thought that most protesters were outside, with many in masks, did give me hope that it wouldn't have as a large of an effect on virus spread as some other people seemed to hope.

 

[ceecee]

11,000 coronavirus cases tied to three meat processors: report | TheHill

More than 11,000 cases of COVID-19 have been tied to plants of the three top U.S. meat processors, Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods and JBS, according to a Washington Post analysis.

 

[Red Memories]

Apparently six blocks of Seattle has seceded from the union and formed it's own sovereign nation of CHAZ:

A look inside Seattle's 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone'

Lets hope the government learned its lesson from Waco and can manage to dissolve the cultish ridiculousness going on there without burning the whole area to the ground.

my mom was saying they're requiring IDs to go through and also they're telling people to bring guns and etc.

How is this okay...? The mayor calling them patriots?

Historically little things like this are how dictators arise.

also:
BLM has suggested Chaz is hijacking their group to try and push anarchy. I wish BLM would have previously tried to speak up more on extremist or negatives but this is just more evidence negative groups are using a not so negative movement to try and arise to a very negative agenda. I'm not at all surprised at the idea some groups, alt right and others included, are using the movement to try and cause chaos. I think that's also why BLM has asked people to make sure they go to organized protests so they don't end up visitng one of the negative violent protests.

Its a mess right now.

 

[ceecee]

my mom was saying they're requiring IDs to go through and also they're telling people to bring guns and etc.

How is this okay...? The mayor calling them patriots?

Historically little things like this are how dictators arise.

also:
BLM has suggested Chaz is hijacking their group to try and push anarchy. I wish BLM would have previously tried to speak up more on extremist or negatives but this is just more evidence negative groups are using a not so negative movement to try and arise to a very negative agenda. I'm not at all surprised at the idea some groups, alt right and others included, are using the movement to try and cause chaos. I think that's also why BLM has asked people to make sure they go to organized protests so they don't end up visitng one of the negative violent protests.

Its a mess right now.

I would worry about Trump and the actual military he commands more than the autonomous area.

Look to the same place if you are concerned about a dictator.

 

[Red Memories]

I would worry about Trump and the actual military he commands more than the autonomous area.

Look to the same place if you are concerned about a dictator.

I agree Trump is often out of line but they're going to create a situation where Trump can readily pull up military forces and they're also negating a movement that isn't about completely removing police but actually reforming them and putting them back in their right positions. I don't know why any mayor or governor would even defend this in the first place. I consider this pretty wild and frankly I don't want a dictator from either side or either party. I didn't like when the Bundy's tried to take part of Oregon either...and sadly those bitches moved into my damn state. Militias can be scary wild shit and I don't wanna be in the crossfire of anarchy. We can't just turn a blind eye to this just because Trump exists.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

I agree Trump is often out of line but they're going to create a situation where Trump can readily pull up military forces and they're also negating a movement that isn't about completely removing police but actually reforming them and putting them back in their right positions. I don't know why any mayor or governor would even defend this in the first place. I consider this pretty wild and frankly I don't want a dictator from either side or either party. I didn't like when the Bundy's tried to take part of Oregon either...and sadly those bitches moved into my damn state. Militias can be scary wild shit and I don't wanna be in the crossfire of anarchy. We can't just turn a blind eye to this just because Trump exists.

Try not to view it in the Bundy right wing extremist+religion+sovereign citizen ideology. That's not what this autonomous zone is and I've seen no evidence of it. But the right will frame it that way, they already are right here. Who's talking about antifacists? Who is trying to capitalize on your fear of crazy assed militias? Who?

Black Lives Matter have to very very very careful as to what they say and do. There are several BLM activists that have strangely turned up dead since Ferguson. I'm thinking that might be at the forefront of their concerns.

A puzzling number of men tied to the Ferguson protests have since died - Chicago Tribune

Ferguson Activists Question Deaths of Six Men Connected to Protests - Rolling Stone

 

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my mom was saying they're requiring IDs to go through and also they're telling people to bring guns and etc.

How is this okay...? The mayor calling them patriots?

Historically little things like this are how dictators arise.

also:
BLM has suggested Chaz is hijacking their group to try and push anarchy. I wish BLM would have previously tried to speak up more on extremist or negatives but this is just more evidence negative groups are using a not so negative movement to try and arise to a very negative agenda. I'm not at all surprised at the idea some groups, alt right and others included, are using the movement to try and cause chaos. I think that's also why BLM has asked people to make sure they go to organized protests so they don't end up visitng one of the negative violent protests.

Its a mess right now.

Anarchy typically opens up a vacuum for tyranny to follow, so here's hoping people calm the fuck down soon. My buddy in Seattle (left wing, pro-gun, anti-police) says the media is distorting what's really going on in CHAZ, so as per usual take any "news" on it with a major grain of salt. He says most of the people there are just people that live in that neighborhood. He says the Seattle community is a pretty eccentric bunch, but he described the scene as basically an impromptu street-fair / festival of mostly upper class white people and college kids.

 

[EcK]

Apparently six blocks of Seattle has seceded from the union and formed it's own sovereign nation of CHAZ:

A look inside Seattle's 'Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone'

Lets hope the government learned its lesson from Waco and can manage to dissolve the cultish ridiculousness going on there without burning the whole area to the ground.

Something tells me they're still cashing in their food stamps and other USA services though.

This CHAZ seems like the equivalent of a teenager saying he’s had enough and is moving out ... to his parents basement.

 

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[Coriolis]

I have to be honest...the protests piss me off. It probably hits on a nerve because of how I am about diversity: I love diversity, culture, and I enjoy peoples' differences. I absolutely abhor discrimination...yes, that's why the protests make me angry. Like fuck, protest, that's fine, but protest against racism period, not racism against blacks specifically while pretending a fuck ton of black people aren't racist themselves. Racism against whites is overt but nobody says anything, why do you think Eminem had such an uphill battle just to produce some fucking music of a certain genre? How often have you heard anyone talking about that racism despite it being obvious?

I've seen points made like "it's nothing compared to what blacks have endured, we were slaves!"
Screw you, racism is racism no matter what your skin color is. White people were slaves before too, and black people were slaves. Current generations have not experienced it anyway. I mean hell, my cousin went to a predominantly black school and got bullied, jumped in the locker room, iirc put his head in a toilet in the bathroom, just because he was white. You're going to tell me that's nothing? White people are raped, shot, mugged, just for being white and in certain neighborhoods. How is that far off from getting pulled over by cops because you're black in a white neighborhood? Don't tell me that shit isn't severe, because as anecdotal as it is, I grew up where there are many predominantly black neighborhoods and I know for a fact that the racism isn't one sided, so stop pretending.

The "BLM" protests are fucking hypocrisy. LIVES matter. Period. Everyone's. Not just black peoples'. If you're going to protest for acceptance do it right and include everyone. Call both sides out, not just one.

This shit makes my fucking blood boil.

I'm supposed to be on hiatus but I had to vent.

If you go to the doctor because your allergies are acting up, do you expect her to do your annual pap smear, remove your impacted wisdom tooth, and give you physical therapy for your ankle injury at the same time? Focusing on one aspect of something does not deny the importance of others. Spreading attention and resources too thin can keep a critical mass from ever being brought to bear on any one part of the problem, with the result that nothing ever gets fixed. I wonder if that is what some people who cry "all lives matter" really want.