The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[Siúil a Rúin]

The club owner was afraid to report Derek Chauvin's aggressive behavior towards minority patrons because she was afraid they'd send someone worse. He was one of the 'better ones'. Now we know why this started in Minneapolis.

"George Floyd and Derek Chauvin "bumped heads" while working at nightclub, former coworker says"

 

[Red Memories]

So amongst the protesting right now, HBO apparently decided to take down historical movie "Gone With the Wind" for its racist depictions, and other articles are suggesting other movies to watch besides it and "The Help" and I don't know if I like this. We cannot pretend history did not happen. They were historically written to represent a TIME... just because the time is no longer "politically correct" does not mean we take it down and pretend it didn't occur, we use these things to live and learn from history. I guess maybe I just dislike the Help as a story being included in this. I read the entirety of the book, and admittedly I normally do not take in historical fiction of that nature, I found the book to be very eye opening and down to earth both. It made me respect more the plight african american people have experienced to even get to the point they are now, which isn't perfect but is a step up. And how few people still saw them as people, even in that timeframe. I think it is sad just because it doesn't meet an agenda we're now policing historical art, just because it depicts things we dislike? that is not how we move forward. It is going backwards and is a form of censorship...

 

[anticlimatic]

So amongst the protesting right now, HBO apparently decided to take down historical movie "Gone With the Wind" for its racist depictions, and other articles are suggesting other movies to watch besides it and "The Help" and I don't know if I like this. We cannot pretend history did not happen. They were historically written to represent a TIME... just because the time is no longer "politically correct" does not mean we take it down and pretend it didn't occur, we use these things to live and learn from history. I guess maybe I just dislike the Help as a story being included in this. I read the entirety of the book, and admittedly I normally do not take in historical fiction of that nature, I found the book to be very eye opening and down to earth both. It made me respect more the plight african american people have experienced to even get to the point they are now, which isn't perfect but is a step up. And how few people still saw them as people, even in that timeframe. I think it is sad just because it doesn't meet an agenda we're now policing historical art, just because it depicts things we dislike? that is not how we move forward. It is going backwards and is a form of censorship...

HBO is just afraid of the mob like many of the other oddly unrelated businesses (like Ben and Jerry's) who have released "statements" on the issue ("statements" actually just being pleas not to be targeted by looters/rioters cancel culture personal attacks, etc).

Im not sure how much more religious bullying the country is willing to take. I'm over it. I feel like the zeitgeist shouldn't be too far along behind me. Then again, we were founded by Puritans.

 

[ceecee]

So amongst the protesting right now, HBO apparently decided to take down historical movie "Gone With the Wind" for its racist depictions, and other articles are suggesting other movies to watch besides it and "The Help" and I don't know if I like this. We cannot pretend history did not happen. They were historically written to represent a TIME... just because the time is no longer "politically correct" does not mean we take it down and pretend it didn't occur, we use these things to live and learn from history. I guess maybe I just dislike the Help as a story being included in this. I read the entirety of the book, and admittedly I normally do not take in historical fiction of that nature, I found the book to be very eye opening and down to earth both. It made me respect more the plight african american people have experienced to even get to the point they are now, which isn't perfect but is a step up. And how few people still saw them as people, even in that timeframe. I think it is sad just because it doesn't meet an agenda we're now policing historical art, just because it depicts things we dislike? that is not how we move forward. It is going backwards and is a form of censorship...

It would be great if HBO would ask people to read the book. When there are complaints, it's very obvious which people have read the book and watched the movie vs the people who have only seen the movie. I don't really know why The Help is included in any of this - it's a different era but Jim Crow was apartheid, about a half step from slavery, it should be viewed in that way.

 

[ceecee]

HBO is just afraid of the mob like many of the other oddly unrelated businesses (like Ben and Jerry's) who have released "statements" on the issue ("statements" actually just being pleas not to be targeted by looters/rioters cancel culture personal attacks, etc).

Im not sure how much more religious bullying the country is willing to take. I'm over it. I feel like the zeitgeist shouldn't be too far along behind me. Then again, we were founded by Puritans.

Because Ben and Jerry's have no history at all of social justice activism, protesting and getting arrested now they are just worried about targeted by looters/rioters cancel culture personal attacks.

 

[rav3n]

the way Trump likes to troll people is highly entertaining imo. His rallies & how he goes about interacting with his supporters is fun to watch, to me.

I find trolls retarded so it's no coincidence why I find Trump retarded.

 

[anticlimatic]

Because Ben and Jerry's have no history at all of social justice activism, protesting and getting arrested now they are just worried about targeted by looters/rioters cancel culture personal attacks.

Not just. It's also good advertising.

The Protests Come for '''Paw Patrol''' and Other '''Good Cops''' in Media - The New York Times

 

[Cupcakemonster]

I find trolls retarded so it's no coincidence why I find Trump retarded.

Fair enough.

 

[anticlimatic]

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

fuck corporations

also give them massive tax breaks and bailouts

 

[rav3n]

Fair enough.

There's a strong element of sadism in online trolling and worse yet, the individual with the most powerful position in the world trolling people without power, whose lives depend on the words, policies and actions of this individual. Think about how sick in the head one would have to be, to troll.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

There's a strong element of sadism in online trolling and worse yet, the individual with the most powerful position in the world trolling people without power, whose lives depend on the words, policies and actions of this individual. Think about how sick in the head one would have to be, to troll.

I mean, someone can only really troll you if you don't get their intent though. I would say he tries to troll the media to try to make them look dumb, not really the American people. Like he'll literally say in rallies YOU GUYS get my joke, but watch the headlines will be tomorrow.... I'm smart enough to get sarcasm etc. in other people, because I use it often myself.

 

[anticlimatic]

There's a strong element of sadism in online trolling and worse yet, the individual with the most powerful position in the world trolling people without power, whose lives depend on the words, policies and actions of this individual. Think about how sick in the head one would have to be, to troll.

I feel like trump trolls over-educated white people the most. My friends in advertising are more bothered by him than the homeless dudes next door.

 

[ceecee]

I mean, someone can only really troll you if you don't get their intent though. I would say he tries to troll the media to try to make them look dumb, not really the American people. Like he'll literally say in rallies YOU GUYS get my joke, but watch the headlines will be tomorrow.... I'm smart enough to get sarcasm etc. in other people, because I use it often myself.

I really hope you get to go to a Trump rally. He is a nauseating specimen but in person, his sadism, gas-lighting, cultish power is really on display. The hate level is off the charts from him and his fans because they are in a super safe space and can say and pretty much do what they want. A lot of people say Hitler but what he really reminded me of was Benito Mussolini. The same bombast, the same I'm a big strong man look at me! Make American Great!

You didn't think Trump invented that line, did you?

This isn't normal sarcasm or humor but you need to see it in person. None of it is a joke. None.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

I really hope you get to go to a Trump rally. He is a nauseating specimen but in person, his sadism, gas-lighting, cultish power is really on display. The hate level is off the charts from him and his fans because they are in a super safe space and can say and pretty much do what they want. A lot of people say Hitler but what he really reminded me of was Benito Mussolini. The same bombast, the same I'm a big strong man look at me! Make American Great!

You didn't think Trump invented that line, did you?

This isn't normal sarcasm or humor but you need to see it in person. None of it is a joke. None.

I think Reagan used the phrase too? If I'm not mistaken.

But no. I didn't think he invented that line.

 

[Mind Maverick]

I really hope you get to go to a Trump rally. He is a nauseating specimen but in person, his sadism, gas-lighting, cultish power is really on display. The hate level is off the charts from him and his fans because they are in a super safe space and can say and pretty much do what they want. A lot of people say Hitler but what he really reminded me of was Benito Mussolini. The same bombast, the same I'm a big strong man look at me! Make American Great!

You didn't think Trump invented that line, did you?

This isn't normal sarcasm or humor but you need to see it in person. None of it is a joke. None.

Holy shit I can't understand a word he says. Thicc accent.

 

[ceecee]

Holy shit I can't understand a word he says. Thicc accent.

Uh yeah.

 

[ceecee]

I think Reagan used the phrase too? If I'm not mistaken.

But no. I didn't think he invented that line.

Neither Reagan or Trump used in in the context Mussolini did but they also counted on most people not checking either.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

So amongst the protesting right now, HBO apparently decided to take down historical movie "Gone With the Wind" for its racist depictions, and other articles are suggesting other movies to watch besides it and "The Help" and I don't know if I like this. We cannot pretend history did not happen. They were historically written to represent a TIME... just because the time is no longer "politically correct" does not mean we take it down and pretend it didn't occur, we use these things to live and learn from history. I guess maybe I just dislike the Help as a story being included in this. I read the entirety of the book, and admittedly I normally do not take in historical fiction of that nature, I found the book to be very eye opening and down to earth both. It made me respect more the plight african american people have experienced to even get to the point they are now, which isn't perfect but is a step up. And how few people still saw them as people, even in that timeframe. I think it is sad just because it doesn't meet an agenda we're now policing historical art, just because it depicts things we dislike? that is not how we move forward. It is going backwards and is a form of censorship...

I think the same. Yes, yes, yes to everything you wrote.

They want to re write history like it never happened. Just because it happened, doesn't mean it was good. World War's happened, but we don't pretend they didn't. It's akin to some countries saying the Holocaust never happened, & banning books about it. The encampment of Japanese happened too. The Irish were treated badly in America for awhile too (btw I'm Irish).

What baffles me is why people look backwards & are so fixitated on the past, anyway. Actually, it doesn't baffle me because I think it's part of an agenda towards Communism.

We should be happy that we as an entire Country have come SO FAR. That doesn't mean we don't have things that need to be improved, WE DO. Poverty for one is such a huge thing that has plagued people all around the world for a long time. The problem is you can't MAKE someone get a job & better their life. My brother is 26, & to this day he's still never had a job.

What we need to focus on is actual goals that will improve people's real day to day lives. We need to uplight & encourage our youth. They need to know that they can & should strive to do better than their parents or others around them.

Getting better outreach & education for our country I think could go along way. What the struggles of our country's past should tell us is that we are RESILIENT.

& Yes censorship should never be allowed in this country.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I really hope you get to go to a Trump rally. He is a nauseating specimen but in person, his sadism, gas-lighting, cultish power is really on display. The hate level is off the charts from him and his fans because they are in a super safe space and can say and pretty much do what they want. A lot of people say Hitler but what he really reminded me of was Benito Mussolini. The same bombast, the same I'm a big strong man look at me! Make American Great!

You didn't think Trump invented that line, did you?

This isn't normal sarcasm or humor but you need to see it in person. None of it is a joke. None.

Trump shares quite decent amount of traits with authoritarian figures from Europe's past. However he still has quite a few American traits due to which such comparisons can look shallow. Therefore drawing parallels all over the place perhaps isn't the best way to attract people. Plus just as I said Trump itself is just the symptom of the problem(s). Would he ever become president in the case that he had at least somewhat likable or moral counter-candidate ? Would he stay the president in the case that his own party in the Senate looks at arguments or big picture ? Would he become president in the case that someone for decades wasn't preparing culture and economy that will be the the landing site of his political power ? What can be said about American media culture if even after everything that happened he still has a decent chance of being reelected ? (polls and tweets aren't real politics that is fact based)



However these are questions that require some reflection and the US is so speed up society that most people will not do it. However the Trump isn't really the problem, he is the outcome of much deeper systematic problems that usually aren't addressed. Especially since they are in play for so long that most people forgot how "normal" actually looks like (or they simply died of all age). Just by watching posts or videos here I see that most just don't know anymore what is "normal". Since all definitions are either blurred or defined as subjective. However until this is solved there will always be some new Trump that will come along down the road. Because mess tends to create strongmen.