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Stars Wars the feminist awakens

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ugh i mean i watch movies and shows to escape all the bullshit we have to deal with from the liberal elitists ruining the country but even then i have to be reminded of their agenda everytime a female character is there to "help out" the man. might as well make the next james bond an african american woman.

Hell, that's an idea. Let's have the new black Moneypenny have a sex change and become the new James Bond.
She can change to the Bond persona even pre-op, so we can finally have the homosexual Bond love scene it is rumored Daniel Craig was pressing for...

Or we can just find out that Dr. Who has secretly been a Death-Eater. /oops, wrong story>
 

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I've not heard anyone complaining about a black or female character. It's the fact that she's an obvious Mary Sue.

You've put your finger on it...where are the female leads (intended to be the protagonist, in a fun, rollicking movie) who have personal flaws?
Other than their angst at their own dazzling perfection?

It is the "feet of clay" syndrome, where the protagonist overcomes their fears and flaws, that make even escapism interesting...
 

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Posting two articles is "protesting too much?" I didn't even have the energy to engage with y'all myself about this ridiculous Mary Sue thing.
 

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Not only that- those two posts were literally my only posts in the thread. I can't even with this.
 

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Or we can just find out that Dr. Who has secretly been a Death-Eater. /oops, wrong story>
Not so fast. In one of the earlier seasons, with David Tennant, toward the end of the episode the doctor and his companion saved the day by using the spell "expelliarmus". Crossover does happen, and not only in fanfic.

You've put your finger on it...where are the female leads (intended to be the protagonist, in a fun, rollicking movie) who have personal flaws?
Other than their angst at their own dazzling perfection?
There are some, though their numbers will be fewer since female protagonists are still fewer in number. The girl with the dragon tattoo strikes me as one. I have seen more in literature, but perhaps I just read more than watch.

What if being a racist, xenophobic, misogynist is a good thing?
Do you still think it is good when you get the short end of the stick as a result? Oh, but you are a white male living in an area that (I presume) is ethnically similar to your own background, so I suppose you don't know what that experience is like.

I wouldn't dream of telling you what you should think, but I do place certain expectations on how you, I, and other members of a civil society are to behave.

how about a character that isn't submissive.
A character, male or female, who is not submissive in nature will have a true partnership with another lead character. Or might defer to the other due to difference in age, expertise, or ability, as a student to his teacher or a teenager to her grandfather.

Do you ever stop to question whether change is always good?

If a large corporation brought up all the land around your town and decided to build large, stinking factories, ruining your view and polluting the countryside, I am sure that you would be pretty pissed off. But hey, hope and change! Sounds great, even if it kills people.
I always question whether change is good. I see anything that increases opportunities for individuals and broadens their horizons as good, especially when it comes at minimal cost. I suspect if the theater-going public are unhappy with the slate of characters in the latest Star Wars, they will vote with their dollars, and the company will get the message.

To sum up: Female leads in action movies are fine if the franchise started with a female lead. (Personally, I really enjoyed the Resident Evil series as a guilty pleasure.) But taking a traditionally male-led franchise and injecting female leads ruins continuity. It also smacks of bending to a feminist Hollywood agenda, for those who want to push the political aspect. But personally I think it's just a question of continuity for most people.
I agree, to a point. When a franchise spans generations as Star Wars now does, I think it is fair game to deviate from the original assortment of characters in different parts of the timeline. Star Trek has also done this. If they had switched gears in the original series between the second and third years to replace Capt Kirk with a woman captain, that wouldn't have made sense. Having Capt Janeway years later, though, is just fine.

The vast majority of TV and film still has primarily male leads. Anyone who prefers this balance of characters should have no shortage of viewing material. There is now, however, a growing body of material with more diverse casts, so people who prefer that can find it also. As long as people pay money to watch it and to buy associated merchandise, the studios will continue to make it.
 

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Feminists

I think the last feminist thread I remember got shut down after a long, ugly reign. Also the gender roles one. Everything is so off the chains that there's actually no room for rational discussion.

It's such a struggle cuz I'm easily riled when it comes to things like that because of my own personal experience. But eyy we're just all fucking around down here anyway right?
 

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There is a theory that Ray is a reincarnation of Darth Vader, which is why she is so powerful. Google it. It's kinda sad when you read about it.

As for all those people who disliked seeing a female character being in the main role, I am so sorry you have to grow up in the 21st century.

I can't wait for Finn and Poe to start dating so there's even more fuel to this thread's fire

Painful, heartbreaking, personal experience tells me that Finn is going to get freindzoned by her.

Plot twist logic tells me however that Ray might be saved by Finn, either - as predicted by star trek enthusiasts - when Ray enters the dark side or whether he simply saves her life as a friend through his simple minded want to live-ness.
 

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Painful, heartbreaking, personal experience tells me that Finn is going to get freindzoned by her.

If it makes way for Finn/Poe then I wouldn't mind :D
 

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There is a theory that Ray is a reincarnation of Darth Vader, which is why she is so powerful. Google it. It's kinda sad when you read about it.

As for all those people who disliked seeing a female character being in the main role, I am so sorry you have to grow up in the 21st century.



Painful, heartbreaking, personal experience tells me that Finn is going to get freindzoned by her.

Plot twist logic tells me however that Ray might be saved by Finn, either - as predicted by star trek enthusiasts - when Ray enters the dark side or whether he simply saves her life as a friend through his simple minded want to live-ness.

Well in Empire, Luke faced his own dark side, so if this is a retelling of the Luke story then she may. I also have this thought that Luke is going to die and be her ghost dad.
 

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Well in Empire, Luke faced his own dark side, so if this is a retelling of the Luke story then she may. I also have this thought that Luke is going to die and be her ghost dad.

She has to be one hell of an actor to be able to pull it off. I haven't seen her other work to comment on it.

Some poster in this thread (can't remember who) was complaining either about Rey/Daisy Ridley's acting or Finn/John Boyenga's acting. I think John's acting was a treat to watch. Ridley played a calm, composed character - although physically active- so I am still not eager to comment on her acting skills yet. Her facial and physical expressions I enjoyed quite a bit.
 

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She has to be one hell of an actor to be able to pull it off. I haven't seen her other work to comment on it.

Some poster in this thread (can't remember who) was complaining either about Rey/Daisy Ridley's acting or Finn/John Boyenga's acting. I think John's acting was a treat to watch. Ridley played a calm, composed character - although physically active- so I am still not eager to comment on her acting skills yet. Her facial and physical expressions I enjoyed quite a bit.

I remember when they did casting, they were looking specifically for newcomers. Daisy has been on British TV before (though I've never personally seen it), John Boyega has already been in film, in Attack The Block (very good film).

I'm impressed by Daisy and in some scenes her angry face reminds me a bit of Hugo Weaving :D
 
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