Stars Wars the feminist awakens

[Bush]

Samus is awesome and badass.

Right up until Other M, where she was characterized as totally weak and submissive and needed men to snap her out of PTSD when she came up against a foe she'd outright decimated about a million times.

In this case at least, we need our awesome and badass chick back.

 

[gromit]

I like that there's a female in a major role though. It's a new generation of characters, having a girl jedi doesn't seem forced.

 

[Luke O]

If I had tits I would play with them everyday and get guys to buy me a new pair of shoes.

Must suck to buy your own shoes as a man. Add that to your list of male woes.

 

[ZNP-TBA]

Don't read if you haven't watched the movie yet:

She basically had the Luke story. Ray is definitely superwoman though. By the end of the movie she was just as good as Luke was after 3 movies. Luke had to go to Dagoba and do intense training with a master no less than Yoda. Ray in the first movie can already fight and pretty much defeat the final boss despite the fact he was a well trained Sith and master light saber wielder (Ray barely used a light saber before and already has equal skill to the antagonist) Early in the movie she can kick Finn's ass in combat despite their backstories not adding up. Ray is a desert orphan parts scrapper while Finn was a genetically engineered clone since birth trained strictly in martial abilities. She's better than Han Solo at knowing how the millennium falcon works and a better pilot despite Han Solo spending decades with the Falcon and as a pilot. She can already match force power with the main antagonist. Either she's the most powerful force user to ever exist ( which pretty much sends Vader's/Anakin's story down the shitter) or Disney likes to make their protagonists that sensational. I still think it was a good movie though. And oh, I like how she guilt tripped Finn for wanting to leave but then wants to run away herself and that's perfectly fine.

 

[Rasofy]

^this, sucks

nothing wrong with female protagonists

just make'em real ffs

orange is the new black got it right

 

[Tater]

Don't read if you haven't watched the movie yet:

She basically had the Luke story. Ray is definitely superwoman though. By the end of the movie she was just as good as Luke was after 3 movies. Luke had to go to Dagoba and do intense training with a master no less than Yoda. Ray in the first movie can already fight and pretty much defeat the final boss despite the fact he was a well trained Sith and master light saber wielder (Ray barely used a light saber before and already has equal skill to the antagonist) Early in the movie she can kick Finn's ass in combat despite their backstories not adding up. Ray is a desert orphan parts scrapper while Finn was a genetically engineered clone since birth trained strictly in martial abilities. She's better than Han Solo at knowing how the millennium falcon works and a better pilot despite Han Solo spending decades with the Falcon and as a pilot. She can already match force power with the main antagonist. Either she's the most powerful force user to ever exist ( which pretty much sends Vader's/Anakin's story down the shitter) or Disney likes to make their protagonists that sensational. I still think it was a good movie though. And oh, I like how she guilt tripped Finn for wanting to leave but then wants to run away herself and that's perfectly fine.

in rey's defense, she had been established as an accomplished staff wielder early on in the film. it's not overly greedy to assume that her martial skills translated well enough to a new instrument.

comparing kylo's abilities to those of rey, we really don't know just how daunting of a challenger he was. it's safe to say that his training at luke's jedi school gives him an advantage, but his skillset may very well stop there. stoke probably saw him as an expendable asset that required little upkeep, seeing how virtually no force wielders have stood in the way of the first order. it has been said that his unpolished lightsaber reflects his own lack of refinement.

that said, i do think rey's force sensitivities fly in the face of star wars canon.

 

[Starry]

If I had tits I would play with them everyday and get guys to buy me a new pair of shoes.

Isn't this what you want though? For women to remain mindful of their place and worth?



Star Wars was one of my favorite movies as a child because it was the first time I saw a female handle weapons. I didn't know it was considered a male franchise.

 

[Kullervo]

Nobody has to be in favor of *waggy finger quotes* "change". Change is what life does. Open your eyes bro. I bet you're a grammar prescriptionist too.

I am not a determinist. We have the power to shape our own futures, and while I don't deny the world is dynamic you have the ability to direct change in any direction and determine its rate. It all comes down to how much you care.

 

[Luke O]

in rey's defense, she had been established as an accomplished staff wielder early on in the film. it's not overly greedy to assume that her martial skills translated well enough to a new instrument.

comparing kylo's abilities to those of rey, we really don't know just how daunting of a challenger he was. it's safe to say that his training at luke's jedi school gives him an advantage, but his skillset may very well stop there. stoke probably saw him as an expendable asset that required little upkeep, seeing how virtually no force wielders have stood in the way of the first order. it has been said that his unpolished lightsaber reflects his own lack of refinement.

that said, i do think rey's force sensitivities fly in the face of star wars canon.

I did have the idea that Luke began training Rey as a child before he had to do a runner, and that her knowledge of the force is a mix of repressed memories, brought to the surface by various prompts.

 

[Kullervo]

I like that there's a female in a major role though. It's a new generation of characters, having a girl jedi doesn't seem forced.

Yet there is nothing new about that, either. There have been major female characters in the video games, and if you look at the wider Star Wars universe (which goes back into the 80s) you will find no lack of them there either. So there's nothing worthwhile Rey has really added to the franchise that didn't exist already.

Never mind that Hollywood has made her abilities ridiculous and also totally at odds with what we knew (where Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious were the most powerful Force users, at least in their lifetimes). The next movie is going to flop and serve them right, for pandering to feminists like this.

I was very passionate about Star Wars before Disney took it over, and they've confirmed all my worse fears. Oh well.

 

[Starry]

What if being a racist, xenophobic, misogynist is a good thing?

Maybe you should google and present a short lesson on the definition of "good" too...like how you did with "equality"...

 

[Kullervo]

Maybe you should google and present a short lesson on the definition of "good" too...like how you did with equality...

It is tempting, but from past experience, I would be wasting my time explaining the difference between abstractions and concrete objects to people here. It is like talking to a wall, you're so stuck in your ways and sure you are right, yet hilariously believe me to be narrow-minded.

 

[Magic Poriferan]

It is tempting, but from past experience, I would be wasting my time explaining the difference between abstractions and concrete objects to people here. It is like talking to a wall, you're so stuck in your ways and sure you are right, yet hilariously believe me to be narrow-minded.

Like I said, you are taking it as a priori that you are showing us something we haven't seen, or asking us to think about something we haven't thought about. You hastily conclude that is the reason for everyone disagreeing with you.

 

[jixmixfix]

Isn't this what you want though? For women to remain mindful of their place and worth?



Star Wars was one of my favorite movies as a child because it was the first time I saw a female handle weapons. I didn't know it was considered a male franchise.

Not really, I think women should be given the same opportunities and freedoms as a man. I also think however that they shouldn't be given special privileges and handouts by the government just because they are a women. It's considered a male franchise because the market caters more towards males than women. It's like if someone decided to hijack sex and the city and suddenly make it about a bunch of males instead of women. The traditional market and audience would be women in that case.

 

[Yama]

Not really, I think women should be given the same opportunities and freedoms as a man. I also think however that they shouldn't be given special privileges and handouts by the government just because they are a women. It's considered a male franchise because the market caters more towards males than women. It's like if someone decided to hijack sex and the city and suddenly make it about a bunch of males instead of women. The traditional market and audience would be women in that case.

But have you considered that a movie can have a protagonist that isn't the same gender as you and still be enjoyable? That the gender of the main character doesn't necessarily mean that it's being marketed towards a specific audience solely based on that fact?

 

[erm]

And oh, I like how she guilt tripped Finn for wanting to leave but then wants to run away herself and that's perfectly fine.

This fascinates me in particular. It's criticizing a character for having a flaw after just criticizing the character for being too powerful. It means she's seen as more flawed than Luke, but more powerful, and that's presented as a criticism for some reason.

Kylo came across as a a barely trained kid who's idol-worshipping, throwing pseudo-tantrums, scared of someone who can put up a fight and has a crude light saber that needs exhausts on it because he can't build a proper one. He fights Rey, who has an unknown background and force sensitivity, after being pretty badly injured, and loses.

I guess people wanted Kylo to be another Vader style macho supervillian, complete with penis helmet, and are disappointed when he's the actual realistic depiction of what someone who wears a costume to intimidate people would be like.

The next movie is going to flop and serve them right, for pandering to feminists like this.

When you say feminists, what you mean is the general western population. The sequel will be just fine.

 

[jixmixfix]

But have you considered that a movie can have a protagonist that isn't the same gender as you and still be enjoyable? That the gender of the main character doesn't necessarily mean that it's being marketed towards a specific audience solely based on that fact?

I suppose I can agree with that but I think what makes it more obvious is how she was portrayed in the movie as someone who is ultimately superior than the rest of the characters from previous star wars films.

 

[Starry]

Not really, I think women should be given the same opportunities and freedoms as a man. I also think however that they shouldn't be given special privileges and handouts by the government just because they are a women. It's considered a male franchise because the market caters more towards males than women. It's like if someone decided to hijack sex and the city and suddenly make it about a bunch of males instead of women. The traditional market and audience would be women in that case.

This is all understandable to me. And while I had always considered Star Wars as being one of those movies that was made with everyone in mind ... I can likewise understand how frustrating that would be... to be excited to go and see characters you identify with and be met with what appears to be the opposite...especially if you suspect the change was politically motivated. I haven't seen the movie but if anyone's fucked with Han Solo I will be pissed. (I also want to say I have never seen an episode of sex in the city...from the ads alone the characters made me feel scared.)

 

[grey_beard]

She is Anakin reincarnated.

Also [MENTION=7278]jixmixfix[/MENTION] IN WHAT UNIVERSE DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD BE EXHIBITING THOUGHT

Well, that beats Jar Jar.

 

[grey_beard]

oh did i say star trek i meant star wars oh well whatever same difference. nerd shit that guys watch who were too wussy to play sports