Sequels as good or better than the original films

[The Cat]

Yes exactly. Max had shut down before the rest of the world did. His best friend was Dog, also a character of few words.


The loneliness experienced by Neville in the book I Am Legend could never be properly conveyed in The Last Man on Earth, The Omega Man, or the 2007 movie adaptation. Only the written word allowed the audience to fully experience the torture of his isolation. It’s a brilliant story.

That book was really the bees knees. I have a hard time with the adaptations but Road Warrior proved it could be done.

 

[Obfuscate]

I know right? Dark City is probably my favorite movie along side Miller's Crossing. But oh man can you imagine how good a series would be? It could even be a reboot to a certain extent. Like it wouldnt even have to feature John Murdoch, or at least not the John Murdoch we see in the film. It could be so good either way.

i would probably set it earlier in the timeline... the system doesn't have the kinks fully worked out yet, and mistakes/inconsistencies (while not common) happen a bit more frequently... perhaps not everyone is reliably locatable when things are being "rearranged" (a secret location to hide, which is later lost until it is applicable again near the end)... i'ld have it focus on a set of characters at first, but as the show developed i would cycle them out and in... kill them off occasionaly...

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I liked Guardians of the Galaxy 2 better than the original. I think sometimes I get a little impatient with origin stories.

I think all of the Mad Max sequels are better than the original. Even Thunderdome. The original is good, but it's basically a generic vigilante revenge film. It doesn't even feel all that apocalyptic either.

This is a series where basically each film is a remake of the previous film, so they kind of improved on the formula everytime. A lot of people bash Thunderdome but I think it's superb. Though my personal favorites are Fury Road and Road Warrior.

I dunno, I think people need to get beyond thunderdome.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Godfather Part II
The Empire Strikes Back
From Russia With Love
Aliens
Star Trek II-IV
Friday the 13th Part 4
The Road Warrior
Dawn of the Dead
Terminator 2
The Dark Knight

Empire strikes back is a terrible movie. Apparently Tie Bombers have the magical ability to drop bombs in Zero-g. And if you can just escape a Star Destroyer by hiding on the back, why didn't Leia's ship do that at the beginning of the first movie?

Not to mention that the story goes nowhere. We spend the whole movie watching Luke train with a muppet and then he just... gets his arm chopped off. Storytelling 101 people. And then there's that whole thing of Han Solo escaping from the Empire just to end up a popsicle, not to mention that pointless chase of the bounty hunter on that cloud planet. i guess it's brilliant not to have a proper resolution to your story because it "subverts expectations."

 

[Population: 1]

Empire strikes back is a terrible movie. Apparently Tie Bombers have the magical ability to drop bombs in Zero-g. And if you can just escape a Star Destroyer by hiding on the back, why didn't Leia's ship do that at the beginning of the first movie?

Not to mention that the story goes nowhere. We spend the whole movie watching Luke train with a muppet and then he just... gets his arm chopped off. Storytelling 101 people. And then there's that whole thing of Han Solo escaping from the Empire just to end up a popsicle, not to mention that pointless chase of the bounty hunter on that cloud planet. i guess it's brilliant not to have a proper resolution to your story because it "subverts expectations."

Empire Strikes Back was a terrible movie? Wow. Just wow. I suppose if you thought The Last Jedi was good anything is possible.

 

[Totenkindly]

I liked Guardians of the Galaxy 2 better than the original. I think sometimes I get a little impatient with origin stories.

Damn -- You mean we agree on something?

I did like the first one too, but I felt like it was fishing around trying to find its synergy until the middle somewhere. the last half is pretty decent.

The second one was much tighter. Maybe too tight. But everything was interconnected and hooked together despite a few different arcs in play. Minor example -- protecting the batteries (which seems like a throwaway scene), which leads to the stealing of the batteries, which leads to a Rocket character arc but also creates an antagonist and pushes an endgame plot point and ALSO then being a major part of the overall plot resolution. Like, there really wasn't much left over that I can recall, each seeming superfluous plot detail played a role later in the film.

Plus, it just has some real great character moments, including Nebula and Gamora working through their issues -- which leads directly to a plot point in Avengers: Endgame that is rather moving. Or Peter growing up and choosing his friends as his family to the point of being willing to die for them if need be. Or the Yondu thing. I dunno. It just really pushes on my buttons emotionally, not just intellectually. I am really curious to see what Gunn is going to do with the third film, especially since he had finished the script before getting fired, then the film got delayed even with him coming back, and in the meanwhile did he have to revise anything now that a few more marvel films came out?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Empire Strikes Back was a terrible movie? Wow. Just wow. I suppose if you thought The Last Jedi was good anything is possible.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Damn -- You mean we agree on something?

I did like the first one too, but I felt like it was fishing around trying to find its synergy until the middle somewhere. the last half is pretty decent.

The second one was much tighter. Maybe too tight. But everything was interconnected and hooked together despite a few different arcs in play. Minor example -- protecting the batteries (which seems like a throwaway scene), which leads to the stealing of the batteries, which leads to a Rocket character arc but also creates an antagonist and pushes an endgame plot point and ALSO then being a major part of the overall plot resolution. Like, there really wasn't much left over that I can recall, each seeming superfluous plot detail played a role later in the film.

Plus, it just has some real great character moments, including Nebula and Gamora working through their issues -- which leads directly to a plot point in Avengers: Endgame that is rather moving. Or Peter growing up and choosing his friends as his family to the point of being willing to die for them if need be. Or the Yondu thing. I dunno. It just really pushes on my buttons emotionally, not just intellectually. I am really curious to see what Gunn is going to do with the third film, especially since he had finished the script before getting fired, then the film got delayed even with him coming back, and in the meanwhile did he have to revise anything now that a few more marvel films came out?

"He may have been your father, but he sure wasn't your daddy."

I even liked the musical choices better. The use of Brandy was particularly inspired, I thought. I also felt like the plot was a lot more sci-fi and leaned more into space weirdness, which I always appreciate.

So it's confirmed he's coming back from the third one in spite of all that nonsense? Good.

 

[Tellenbach]

Insurgent, Independence Day 2, Superman 2, Captain America: Winter Soldier, Antman and the Wasp, John Wick 2

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh, while we're on Marvel movies, Thor 3 was definitely better than Thor 1. (Didn't see 2).

 

[Totenkindly]

I agree on Winter Soldier. It might still be my favorite Marvel film.

......

Yeah, Gunn had simply gotten contracted for Suicide Squad reboot before he got reoffered to do GotG3. So he is doing SS first. We won't see GotG3 probably until late 2022 or more likely mid 2023.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Empire strikes back is a terrible movie. Apparently Tie Bombers have the magical ability to drop bombs in Zero-g. And if you can just escape a Star Destroyer by hiding on the back, why didn't Leia's ship do that at the beginning of the first movie?

Not to mention that the story goes nowhere. We spend the whole movie watching Luke train with a muppet and then he just... gets his arm chopped off. Storytelling 101 people. And then there's that whole thing of Han Solo escaping from the Empire just to end up a popsicle, not to mention that pointless chase of the bounty hunter on that cloud planet. i guess it's brilliant not to have a proper resolution to your story because it "subverts expectations."

XD

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Empire strikes back is a terrible movie. Apparently Tie Bombers have the magical ability to drop bombs in Zero-g. And if you can just escape a Star Destroyer by hiding on the back, why didn't Leia's ship do that at the beginning of the first movie?

Not to mention that the story goes nowhere. We spend the whole movie watching Luke train with a muppet and then he just... gets his arm chopped off. Storytelling 101 people. And then there's that whole thing of Han Solo escaping from the Empire just to end up a popsicle, not to mention that pointless chase of the bounty hunter on that cloud planet. i guess it's brilliant not to have a proper resolution to your story because it "subverts expectations."

Actually Empire wasn’t universally loved upon initial release. These were probably actual complaints of some critics

I still think Empire does a superior job of tying together the different arcs by the end. Luke learns a lesson by the end. I’m not sure Rey ever learns anything. It’s never really made clear with her that she learns much in the movies so much as it's conveyed that she's already nearly perfect from the moment we see us...because the force is female I guess. This is supposed to be the central character in the new trilogy but things sort of just happen to her and she overcomes each new obstacle without any real sense of learning or growth. Hate to bring up the M word *(rhymes with Larry Shoe), but I can see why that label's used on her a lot.

The bombers is a silly complaint some people just latched onto. My complaints aren't with that scene or the mary poppins flying bit.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Superman II

Spider-Man II

X2

 

[The Cat]

Oh, while we're on Marvel movies, Thor 3 was definitely better than Thor 1. (Didn't see 2).

I dont think even Thor saw Thor 2 and he was allegedly there...

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Actually Empire wasn’t universally loved upon initial release. These were probably actual comments.

I believe it. I remember when the prequels were "WORST MOVIES EVAR" and I heard about that nonstop for like 10 years after ROTS came out. It started to cool down around the time new films were announced...

I'm sorry if I seem to be taking the whole thing too seriously. It's just that I think there's a 'consensus' among geek subcultures that emerges and it's like the opinion everyone has to have, and it's also a really fickle consensus. George Lucas was Satan for a long time, and then Rian Johnson came along. I'm not saying that you or anyone else here is part of that, but I think it's a real thing. It's a big part of why, while I still like the same things, being part of geek subculture or whatever you might want to call it just isn't that important to me anymore (There's also the realization that geekiness and douchebaggery are independent variables rather than being inversely correlated).

 

[Andy]

Last time I checked, there were 5 Leprechaun movies, and all the sequels were better than the original. The first one took itself too seriously, the others realised the whole thing was ridiculous and played on it. Leprechaun in space is particularly silly and definitely one of my favourites.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh, another Marvel example. Infinity War (haven't seen endgame) is better than the original Avengers and Age of Ultron. I don't like Loki that much as an outright villain; I prefer him as chaotic neutral.

 

[ceecee]

Bad Boys II
Godfather II
Road Warrior (Although I prefer Fury Road to both MM and RR but I liked Thunderdome)
Bourne Supremacy
Terminator II Judgement Day (SO much better)
Skyfall
Desperado
Lethal Weapon II

 

[Z Buck McFate]

T2 is maybe the penultimate "sequel that's better than the original."

Aliens is probably a personal second favorite. Also, +1 to Two Towers but only for the extended version.

I can't think of anything that hasn't been mentioned. Except maybe liking Futureworld more than Westworld (I think Yule Brenner is amazing in Westworld, but overall I like Futureworld more).

Oh! Eta: the second & third Austen Powers. Liked them more than the first. Liked the third one the most.