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[ceecee]

All I can say is the Democrats and Biden (who repeatedly said he would not pardon his son, or his mouthpiece Karine Jean-Pierre did) have lost ALL the moral high ground. Sure Trump is a scumbag, so that makes it OK for Biden to be a scumbag too?

Absolutely despicable on all sides. All president's can just do as they please from here on forward I guess. Democrats love to go on endlessly about what a fascist, crooked, liar Trump is but will never look at themselves in the mirror.

It's going to be a bunch of pot calling the kettle black from here on I suppose. It also implies the justice system in the US is pretty much out the window. If this Patel guy could find further dirt on Hunter, and make it stick in court, so be it. If there is no dirt and he can just order a judge to convict him, the US might as well be Russia/Putin. Same shit goes on over there all the time. Is this the new norm for the US as well?

Dark days if so. I stand by my assertion that the power of clemency must be stripped from the presidency. The office has clearly been corrupted.

lol Your mistake (and LOTS of people's mistake) is believing the Dems ever had the moral high ground. Despicable? lol that's a little unhinged. But I don't recall you clutching your pearls this tight over Trump pardoning actual criminals who's crimes have harmed others - Kwame Kilpatrick or Mike Flynn or Roger Stone. In the end, what is happening is the result of 50+ years of neoliberalism. Which certainly creates NIMBY liberal scolds and privileged smug fucks that need an ass kicking like few others do. Donald Trump was one of these at one time. He never lost the neoliberal privileged smugness though, which has always struck me as hilarious when it comes to MAGA rubes that buy his shit.

I think you should stop looking at US based news for the next few years.

 

[ceecee]

South Korean president declares martial law in shock late-night address




Saying that this is "serious" is complete understatement.

Isn't he like being impeached? I'm fairly sure their parliament is going to tell him to fuck off.

Edited to add:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...-for-its-stock-market-and-economy/ar-AA1vcaWn

South Korea’s Parliament voted unanimously to end martial law, according to media reports, hours after President Yoon Suk Yeol put the country under military control in an unexpected announcement Tuesday.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Isn't he like being impeached? I'm fairly sure their parliament is going to tell him to fuck off.

Edited to add:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...-for-its-stock-market-and-economy/ar-AA1vcaWn

There were numerous accusations and investigations but nothing too formal (from what I understand).


However the problem is can this vote in the parliament be implemented I don't know how much you are into crisis management but in the situations like this one the rule of law no longer applies. Since now everything is in the domain of "loyalty". Plus in this case this is perhaps even legally invalid vote. In other words from what I understand the martial law makes the vote in the parliament none valid in legal sense. In other words if military decides to stand with the president that is basically game over. Especially if people decide that the civil war isn't worth it. However since he isn't popular president that isn't likely. Therefore this is very tricky situation and there will be winners and losers once this is over. Since this isn't something that you just can't sweep under the rug.

 

[Virtual ghost]

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol to end martial law

Ok, the guy realized that he lost this game.

 

[Red Herring]

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol to end martial law

Ok, the guy realized that he lost this game.

You seem to enjoy all of this a bit too much for my taste

 

[Virtual ghost]

You seem to enjoy all of this a bit too much for my taste

Just because I feel engaged in all this that doesn't mean I am actually enjoying this.
As I said before when you grow up in a warzone you learn to ignore the horror and talk about the problems openly. That is just how it is.

 

[ceecee]

South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol to end martial law

Ok, the guy realized that he lost this game.

Isn't that what I just said?

Anyway, it's ALWAYS the right/conservatives that wants martial law when shit isn't going their way (I believe this stunt was because he didn't like the liberal opposition and he basically called them communists/North Korea lovers). Again, you tell him to fuck off. You don't debate it, you don't engage with it.

 

[Virtual ghost]

To be fully honest I live in a society that in a way worships war trauma (some of my countrymen would perhaps even hate me for saying this but it is true.) Every single day there are news and reports about the war that ended almost 30 years ago. You can't forget those days even if you really really try. Plus now the mess in nearby Ukraine got everyone fired up again. Especially since some political parties don't want to support Ukraine. So on the top of that mess in Ukraine I also have my local political scene at the edge of the civil war over the issue. Not to mention four neighboring countries that are already dictatorships with deep pro Russian ties. Therefore pretty much everyone in Central Europe is kinda either grumpy or on adrenaline. Since in this part of the world social climate is basically ww3 due to the mess in Ukraine.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Isn't that what I just said?

Anyway, it's ALWAYS the right/conservatives that wants martial law when shit isn't going their way (I believe this stunt was because he didn't like the liberal opposition and he basically called them communists/North Korea lovers). Again, you tell him to fuck off. You don't debate it, you don't engage with it.

Yes, you did.
But as I pointed out there weren't any guarantees that he will actually listen to the parliament. Luckily he will (probably since he realized that he doesn't have the support to pull it off). Therefore it is better to stop before things go too far.


However in a sense it is almost morbidly funny how basically the whole world saw Trump in what happened today (judging by the comments).

 

[ceecee]

Yes, you did.
But as I pointed out there weren't any guarantees that he will actually listen to the parliament. Luckily he will (probably since he realized that he doesn't have the support to pull it off). Therefore it is better to stop before things go too far.


However in a sense it is almost morbidly funny how basically the whole world saw Trump in what happened today (judging by the comments).

I mean I get that in S. Korea it's like a single family that runs stuff in politics. Sort of like a monarchy, which is what Trump ultimately will end up being (and lots of his fans are monarchists anyway so this all fits.)

 

[Virtual ghost]

I mean I get that in S. Korea it's like a single family that runs stuff in politics. Sort of like a monarchy, which is what Trump ultimately will end up being (and lots of his fans are monarchists anyway so this all fits.)

That is how it is the North. However I am not fully sure how it is in the South.
But yes, from what I understand they aren't country that is super into "pluralism".


In other words everything that is super into "loyalty" will in the end look like either monarchy or dictatorship (or both).
But ok, it seems that we dodged the bullet for today.

 

[The Cat]

To be fully honest I live in a society that in a way worships war trauma (some of my countrymen would perhaps even hate me for saying this but it is true.) Every single day there are news and reports about the war that ended almost 30 years ago. You can't forget those days even if you really really try. Plus now the mess in nearby Ukraine got everyone fired up again. Especially since some political parties don't want to support Ukraine. So on the top of that mess in Ukraine I also have my local political scene at the edge of the civil war over the issue. Not to mention four neighboring countries that are already dictatorships with deep pro Russian ties. Therefore pretty much everyone in Central Europe is kinda either grumpy or on adrenaline. Since in this part of the world social climate is basically ww3 due to the mess in Ukraine.

Man, you've really grown up in it up to your neck. My compliments on your durability.

 

[The Cat]

That is how it is the North. However I am not fully sure how it is in the South.
But yes, from what I understand they aren't country that is super into "pluralism".


In other words everything that is super into "loyalty" will in the end look like either monarchy or dictatorship (or both).
But ok, it seems that we dodged the bullet for today.

The way I look at it. We dodge bullets everyday. And we will tomorrow and the day after, right up until very suddenly we don't. That day...will be a very interesting day. Still though. Im always glad for another day to keep on flying. For all of us.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Man, you've really grown up in it up to your neck. My compliments on your durability.

And I even skipped some juicy parts.

For example:
Currently here is also no confidence vote in progress (and the vote is in few days). However if pro Ukraine government falls that complicates things for Croatia and whole wider region. The trick is that the government should survive by a single vote/seat as things stand. So everyone is kinda edgy over that. Because political stability was saving us in this whole situation/era, but some people left the governing coalition and now things are on knifes edge (literally). While opposition is saying problematic things. There should have been vote about helping Ukraine but opposition refused to support that (since they are pro Russians basically). Therefore the governing coalition has called second man of NATO to come into our parliament to explain the situation. Since we should send logistics people into Germany to help with sending help to Ukraine. What opposition claims that it too close to actually entering the war. But this vote requires 2/3 majority and thus this can't be done without the opposition. Therefore in the end the man from NATO came to explain all the details. However the main opposition party has just left the parliament saying " We will not listen to this salesman". And they are like this since the start of the war at least. Hell, they walked away when the Parliament declared the end of Communist era decades ago. What only adds to the living in the past due to echo impression that is left over this.


In other words I am EXACTLY in the situation South Korean president was warning about today. This is why the story actually cough my eye this much.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The way I look at it. We dodge bullets everyday. And we will tomorrow and the day after, right up until very suddenly we don't. That day...will be a very interesting day. Still though. Im always glad for another day to keep on flying. For all of us.

True, but as you say you can't dodge forever.
What means that something has to be done with the guy that is actually shooting.

 

[The Cat]

True, but as you say you can't dodge forever.
What means that something has to be done with the guy that is actually shooting.

From your lips to gods ears my friend.

 

[Virtual ghost]

From your lips to gods ears my friend.

This is easier said than done.
But in some situations you don't really have choice.

 

[SensEye]

I think you should stop looking at US based news for the next few years.

Ah, the old ostrich approach. Stick my head in the sand and hope it all goes away.

I think people on this forum misunderstand that I am extremely annoyed at the Trump victory. I simply can't believe the Democrats (and the left in general) screwed the pooch so bad they let him get back in the oval office. If they don't learn from their mistakes they'll never get him out of there.

And based on the crowd around here, that is not happening. It's all the fault of those on the right for not choking down an unpalatable senile octogenarian and/or a unqualified DEI VP after that. I have fully admitted that even I would have reluctantly done so (if I was a US voter) but clearly enough swing voters in the US did not.

Now as a Canadian I am a bit insulated for now. But if the elephant next door gets rabies and goes nuts. I am going to get trampled.

But I get it, none of my opinions are going to count until the midterms (at least). The inmates are going to be running the asylum until then. I hope I am pleasantly surprised that they don't do as much damage as they potentially could.

OTOH, a discussion forum with no discussion isn't very colorful. Nor is a monotone echo chamber. My opinions are clearly in the minority here, but not out in the real world. Assuming you guys are a proxy for lefties in general, I can see why the divisiveness issue persists.

 

[ceecee]

That is how it is the North. However I am not fully sure how it is in the South.
But yes, from what I understand they aren't country that is super into "pluralism".


In other words everything that is super into "loyalty" will in the end look like either monarchy or dictatorship (or both).
But ok, it seems that we dodged the bullet for today.

I couldn't find the video I initially watched about them but here is a good summary about chaebol - family-owned businesses that run the politics in S. Korea.

South Korea’s Chaebol Challenge

South Korea’s megaconglomerates have helped lift the country out of poverty, but their extraordinary influence could put the health of the Korean economy at risk.

www.cfr.org

 

[Virtual ghost]

I couldn't find the video I initially watched about them but here is a good summary about chaebol - family-owned businesses that run the politics in S. Korea.

South Korea’s Chaebol Challenge

South Korea’s megaconglomerates have helped lift the country out of poverty, but their extraordinary influence could put the health of the Korean economy at risk.

www.cfr.org

Actually that is fairly common in the countries that suddenly turn from dictatorship to democracy.
In my local case the guy managed to build a company that was about 20% of GDP. We even considered the whole thing to be some sort of parallel government or the actual government. What in a way it was if we consider all the influences that the company had. However due to over ambition the whole thing failed and later it is was chopped into smaller pieces.