Random Politics Thread

[Stigmata]

So the strategic plan against Ron DeSantis is to call him a woman (because obviously nothing is more insulting and demoralising than being called a woman)? Oh, goody.

The easiest and most potent plan to dismantle DeSantis is to point out what an unlikable, uncharismatic fascist he is, but they just can't stand to not follow that knee-jerk reaction inclination towards misogyny whenever an opportunity presents itself.

 

[Stigmata]

more implying that he's in the closet while protesting lgbtq+ especially the drag and trans community. Stigmata is right, its hoping that the right has a sense of hypocrisy when the denial is too deep for an aknowledgement of hyprocrisy beyond a successful political tactic, its a wasted ploy that might make him feel embarressed and funny inside, but will likely just lead to further projection from him rather than any reflection. but in dystopia you take your yuks where you can find them...

It's not that people on the Right are in denial, they just don't care. They know what they're doing, and they know the Liberals aren't  really going to do anything about it in a material way -- at best MSNBC anchors are going to clutch their pearls about civility and decorum, all while acting intentionally obtuse about not understand the motivations of the Right and have milquetoast Corporatists like Joe Scarborough spout out platitudes like "When are some of these Republican politicians going to stand up and fight!".

I mean, why should they care about being labeled hypocrites when they're getting what they want with no resistance? And even if the other side did mount some sort of material resistance against the fascist regime, we'd be met with force by an increasingly more militarized, far-right leaning police force and highly armed paramilitary organizations.

 

[Coriolis]

It's not that people on the Right are in denial, they just don't care. They know what they're doing, and they know the Liberals aren't  really going to do anything about it in a material way -- at best MSNBC anchors are going to clutch their pearls about civility and decorum, all while acting intentionally obtuse about not understand the motivations of the Right and have milquetoast Corporatists like Joe Scarborough spout out platitudes like "When are some of these Republican politicians going to stand up and fight!".

I mean, why should they care about being labeled hypocrites when they're getting what they want with no resistance? And even if the other side did mount some sort of material resistance against the fascist regime, we'd be met with force by an increasingly more militarized, far-right leaning police force and highly armed paramilitary organizations.

Sooner or later, moderate, rational conservatives are going to get tired of having to shut up and color in the GOP revisionist coloring book. What will they do then? Become democrats? Most would have too many philosophical and political differences to do that in good conscience, but then they have been supporting the Trump/DeSantis agenda, or at least staying silent, so perhaps jumping party isn't too much of a stretch. Ideally I would like them to break away and start their own party. Then we would have three, and that would change the political dynamic considerably.

 

[The Cat]

Sooner or later, moderate, rational conservatives are going to get tired of having to shut up and color in the GOP revisionist coloring book. What will they do then? Become democrats? Most would have too many philosophical and political differences to do that in good conscience, but then they have been supporting the Trump/DeSantis agenda, or at least staying silent, so perhaps jumping party isn't too much of a stretch. Ideally I would like them to break away and start their own party. Then we would have three, and that would change the political dynamic considerably.

they'll probably just die like the rest of us.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

Sooner or later, moderate, rational conservatives are going to get tired of having to shut up and color in the GOP revisionist coloring book. What will they do then? Become democrats? Most would have too many philosophical and political differences to do that in good conscience, but then they have been supporting the Trump/DeSantis agenda, or at least staying silent, so perhaps jumping party isn't too much of a stretch. Ideally I would like them to break away and start their own party. Then we would have three, and that would change the political dynamic considerably.

I think this is true of independents as well. I think Ron DeSantis is a total submissive to the far right. We don't like books! Ok I'll ban them. We don't like Disney! Ok I'll destroy them. What else can I do for you all? But I have a feeling moderate R's have been voting Democrat - some have been pretty open about it. Anti-wokism is not a winning strategy and I have yet to hear DeSantis talk about anything else.

Oh and that Twitter Presidential rollout? This is what it was actually all about.

DeSantis signs Florida bill limiting the liabilities of private spaceflight companies

DeSantis signed the bill a day after he launched his campaign for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination in an event with Twitter’s owner Elon Musk, who is also the CEO of SpaceX.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[The Cat]

I think this is true of independents as well. I think Ron DeSantis is a total submissive to the far right. We don't like books! Ok I'll ban them. We don't like Disney! Ok I'll destroy them. What else can I do for you all? But I have a feeling moderate R's have been voting Democrat - some have been pretty open about it. Anti-wokism is not a winning strategy and I have yet to hear DeSantis talk about anything else.

Oh and that Twitter Presidential rollout? This is what it was actually all about.

DeSantis signs Florida bill limiting the liabilities of private spaceflight companies

DeSantis signed the bill a day after he launched his campaign for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination in an event with Twitter’s owner Elon Musk, who is also the CEO of SpaceX.

www.nbcnews.com

Boss Hog's got his fingers in so many shady puddings when it comes to real estate...

 

[The Cat]

 

[Coriolis]

 

[Virtual ghost]

I think this is true of independents as well. I think Ron DeSantis is a total submissive to the far right. We don't like books! Ok I'll ban them. We don't like Disney! Ok I'll destroy them. What else can I do for you all? But I have a feeling moderate R's have been voting Democrat - some have been pretty open about it. Anti-wokism is not a winning strategy and I have yet to hear DeSantis talk about anything else.

To be honest for a long time I am thinking that this is actually why places like Georgia and Arizona are suddenly in the spotlight. Since there are some moderate right leaning people who just can't accept Trump. While Biden is enough of a "centrist" that they can digest him. None Trumpy Republicans can still fairly easily win Georgia but the Trumpy ones have failed a number of times in recent years. Therefore this probably isn't a pure coincidence. After all across "the pond" it is well known that mild right is in better relations with the center or even mild left than it is with the hard right. What is because hard right doesn't respect many of the "mainstream values". So yes, mild right wingers and right leaning independents have surely somewhat shifted to the left over the matters of Trump.

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]

 

[Red Herring]

 

[ceecee]

The Next Front in the GOP's War on Women: No-Fault Divorce

Steven Crowder is part of a growing right-wing chorus calling for an end to modern divorce laws.

www.rollingstone.com

This motherfucker is mad that his wife can divorce him without his permission. So I think a few state GOP legislatures are taking him up on the idea. I don't understand why the Dems everywhere aren't using these easy layups to run over the GOP in state elections.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Virtual ghost]

Supreme Court dramatically shrinks Clean Water Act’s reach

 

[Totenkindly]

Kind of depressing hearing from my red state trans friends, who are now being regularly harassed in DMs on FB and elsewhere by TERFS and creeps, calling them pedos and threatening to run their lives into the ground just for existing.

Thanks, GOP, for removing the normal guardrails of society so that potential violence can ratchet up -- because hey, with all the misinformation and new laws against queer and trans folks, surely that demographic must be perverse and cancers on the buttocks of society, needing to be excised.

 

[ceecee]

Kind of depressing hearing from my red state trans friends, who are now being regularly harassed in DMs on FB and elsewhere by TERFS and creeps, calling them pedos and threatening to run their lives into the ground just for existing.

Thanks, GOP, for removing the normal guardrails of society so that potential violence can ratchet up -- because hey, with all the misinformation and new laws against queer and trans folks, surely that demographic must be perverse and cancers on the buttocks of society, needing to be excised.

Yeah we are talking about having a family that we know with a trans teen in Fl stay with us for a bit while they find their own place. Glad Michigan is a safe space for now but it took them a long time to realize yes this is real threat and yes those people want you dead.

 

[Totenkindly]

Yeah we are talking about having a family that we know with a trans teen in Fl stay with us for a bit while they find their own place. Glad Michigan is a safe space for now but it took them a long time to realize yes this is real threat and yes those people want you dead.

That's great you are considering offering a refuge for them.

Even when you know it's a threat, it's hard to just sell, pick up, and uproot years of memories and relationships because the folks currently in office are stoking the fires. One might hope a change of office every few years could alleviate some of it -- but why would it? They'll just vote the same/similar folks in again. It'll get worse before it gets better.

And when you move, you're just removing more people who might have voted against the insanity -- but how long do you risk your family and those you love? I know people from various states afflicted by this craziness who are pulling up stakes and heading for safer pastures.

 

[Virtual ghost]

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