Random Politics Thread

[Jaguar]

Don't flatter yourself, you're not that interesting.

It was just brought to my attention who you really are. This is why I'm not a fan of username changes.

 

[Coriolis]

This is comparing apples and oranges. It'd be more accurate if the dentist was contributing to poor health problems while people treated the dentists poorly and also contributed to the dentists' poor health problems...and then saying correction to this issue is needed while saying dentists' health problems matter while they still sit there and continue to contribute to peoples' health problems...which is nothing like this comparison you made.

Indeed, this is nothing like the comparison I made. My point is that focusing on one problem or aspect of something does not negate the importance of other aspects, or of the whole. Often, however, it is the best if not the only way to get something done.

 

[ceecee]

Trump’s War on the Post Office and the Census Bureau - CounterPunch.org

In addition to trying to trash the post office to boost Trump's election chances, Postmaster DeJoy has conflicts of interest: he recently bought stock in FedEx and UPS, as Melvin Goodman reports.

This isn't another - politicians are all criminals. This is a hand picked, political appointee getting his marching orders from GOP donors (he is also one), right wing media and Trump (who also gets his marching orders from the same groups) to boost profits for private, capitalist corporations that are unable to stand on their own without socialized money and insider trading. USPS provides a government service to the people of the US, it's not a corporation.

 

[Lark]

It was just brought to my attention who you really are. This is why I'm not a fan of username changes.

I get that, not a fan of username changes either.

 

[Jaguar]

By all means, appoint one of your donors with no postal experience whatsoever. What's next - asking someone to do heart surgery with no medical background?

 

[The Cat]

By all means, appoint one of your donors with no postal experience whatsoever. What's next - asking someone to do heart surgery with no medical background?

give it time, thats one reason why the prospect of four more years is scary

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

Steve Bannon, three others charged with fraud in border wall fundraising campaign - CNNPolitics

(CNN)New York federal prosecutors on Thursday charged President Donald Trump's former adviser Steve Bannon and three others with defrauding donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars as part of a fundraising campaign purportedly aimed at supporting Trump's border wall.

Bannon, 66, was arrested on a boat Thursday off the Eastern coast of Connecticut according to a law enforcement official. He will make his initial court appearance in New York later Thursday, according to the US attorney's office. Bill Burck, an attorney for Bannon, declined to comment.

The four men are indicted for allegedly using hundreds of thousands of dollars donated to an online crowdfunding campaign called We Build the Wall for personal expenses, among other things. Bannon and another defendant, Brian Kolfage, promised donors that the campaign, which ultimately raised more than $25 million, was "a volunteer organization" and that "100% of the funds raised...will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose," according to the indictment unsealed Thursday. But instead, according to prosecutors, Bannon, through a non-profit under his control, used more than $1 million from We Build the Wall to "secretly" pay Kolfage and cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses.

 

[ceecee]

Steve Bannon, three others charged with fraud in border wall fundraising campaign - CNNPolitics

(CNN)New York federal prosecutors on Thursday charged President Donald Trump's former adviser Steve Bannon and three others with defrauding donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars as part of a fundraising campaign purportedly aimed at supporting Trump's border wall.

Bannon, 66, was arrested on a boat Thursday off the Eastern coast of Connecticut according to a law enforcement official. He will make his initial court appearance in New York later Thursday, according to the US attorney's office. Bill Burck, an attorney for Bannon, declined to comment.

The four men are indicted for allegedly using hundreds of thousands of dollars donated to an online crowdfunding campaign called We Build the Wall for personal expenses, among other things. Bannon and another defendant, Brian Kolfage, promised donors that the campaign, which ultimately raised more than $25 million, was "a volunteer organization" and that "100% of the funds raised...will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose," according to the indictment unsealed Thursday. But instead, according to prosecutors, Bannon, through a non-profit under his control, used more than $1 million from We Build the Wall to "secretly" pay Kolfage and cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses.

So Steve Bannon was arrested. For fraud. On a boat. By the post office. This is peak 2020.

 

[The Cat]

So Steve Bannon was arrested. For fraud. On a boat. By the post office. This is peak 2020.

It's Arrested Development.

 

[ceecee]

It's Arrested Development.

It's that too.

 

[Jaguar]

O'Neill, thanks for killing bin Laden. Truly. But, fuck you if you think masks are for pussies.

 

[ceecee]

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To clarify, what I'm trying to say here about it being too much about blacks specifically and not enough about equality...is that society tends to do pendulum swings. I think approaching racism against blacks rather than racism as a value...or by only focusing on one aspect at a time rather than focusing on it as a value...the problem will merely become more inflammatory. Whites who experience racism aren't going to respond by discontinuing their own racism. They will only feel entitled to continue.

What I'm trying to say is that racism against blacks is a symptom and you really need to address the root cause of the illness if you want to correct the issue...not just work on one symptom at a time.

Well, since the root cause of the illness is poverty, I hope you are for M4A, UBI, a federal jobs guarantee, immigration reform, ending mass incarceration, supporting pay equity and raising the minimum wage, strengthening unions and labor laws in the US, investing in education and reforming the criminal justice system entirely - cops to prisons.

Because systemic racism, classism, sexism and every other issue in this country is fueled by poverty and the intense hatred of the poor, regardless of race but particularly aimed at the brown and black variety. That doesn't make white poor less poor. It just means they don't have the additional burden of being poor and also being black or brown.

 

[Coriolis]

^
To clarify, what I'm trying to say here about it being too much about blacks specifically and not enough about equality...is that society tends to do pendulum swings. I think approaching racism against blacks rather than racism as a value...or by only focusing on one aspect at a time rather than focusing on it as a value...the problem will merely become more inflammatory. Whites who experience racism aren't going to respond by discontinuing their own racism. They will only feel entitled to continue.

What I'm trying to say is that racism against blacks is a symptom and you really need to address the root cause of the illness if you want to correct the issue...not just work on one symptom at a time.

So do we get rid of the NAACP because it focuses on Blacks, or the Jewish Anti-Defamation League because it focuses on Jews, or NOW because it focuses on women? Is it bad for the American Cancer Society to focus on cancer? Don't all diseases matter? It may be fair game to criticise an organization for how it goes about things (e.g. "waving your fists in their face like, 'ACCEPT ME, BITCH! YEAH, FEEL THAT RACISM DONE BACK TO YOU, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT?'"), but focusing on the plight of one group or another is how most of our progress has been made, in part because the types of bias and limitations experienced by different groups has not been the same.

 

[ceecee]

The root of it is not poverty. That exacerbates it, sure...but it's not the root cause. More money won't cure the issue.

Please provide some proof that disenfranchisement (including felony), is not economically based. This is not a left or right issue. This is systemic. It's fine that you hold the above opinion on poverty. That doesn't make it true.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

So Steve Bannon was arrested. For fraud. On a boat. By the post office. This is peak 2020.

Oooh this keeps getting better and better. This grifting nutter

Curt Schilling reportedly arrested for involvement in Steve Bannon, fraudulent border wall campaign - amNewYork

Very nice

Border wall group advised by Kobach faces fraud charges | The Kansas City Star

I personally see this entire thing as a victimless crime. But it's incredibly funny nonetheless.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Coriolis]

I just ran across this gem:

 

[Jaguar]

I just ran across this gem:

"It took over the airports."