Random Politics Thread

[rav3n]

The Trump Administration, dedicated to killing off fifty year olds+ and anyone with preexisting conditions like diabetes, respiratory illnesses, etc. (immunocompromised) with their anti-science stances.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...-coronavirus-evacuees-hhs-whistleblower-says/

Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Americans evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, without proper training for infection control or appropriate protective gear, according to a whistleblower complaint.

The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, a senior HHS official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administration for Children and Families, a unit within HHS.

The whistleblower is seeking federal protection, alleging she was unfairly and improperly reassigned after raising concerns about the safety of these workers to HHS officials, including those within the office of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar. She was told Feb. 19 that if she does not accept the new position in 15 days, which is March 5, she would be terminated.

 

[rav3n]

And to add fuel to the fire, Pence is in charge of the response to COVID-19.

Sanders rips Pence: His last response to an epidemic was to 'pray' it away | TheHill

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday slammed President Trump’s appointment of Vice President Pence as point man on the coronavirus outbreak, noting the HIV outbreak that occurred during Pence’s tenure as governor of Indiana as well as Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar’s refusal to promise that a coronavirus vaccine would be affordable to all.

“Trump's plan for the coronavirus so far:

-Cut winter heating assistance for the poor

-Have VP Pence, who wanted to 'pray away' HIV epidemic, oversee the response

-Let ex-pharma lobbyist Alex Azar refuse to guarantee affordable vaccines to all

Disgusting,” Sanders tweeted Wednesday.

 

[Jaguar]

Person who lives on the bottom wants the person above them to pay for free stuff.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Parasite 2 (2020)

I have a friend who voted for Bernie in 2016 but is a Pete supporter now. I haven't quite figured it out yet now, but I think the fact that she grew up in Indiana had something to do with it. She'd vote for Bernie in the general, though. She's just expressed concern that he'll alienate moderates. I'm of the mind this if someone Trump is a better option when faced with Bernie, they weren't that moderate to begin with. I also remember how much Republicans appreciated Obama and Clinton's attempts to reach across the aisle.

To me it seems like repeating some of the same mistakes of Hillary's campaign, and I'm surprised she can't see that since she's often criticized her.

This was something Chuck Schumer said in 2016 about HIlalry:

“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

Guess what? That didn't work out. I think pandering to moderate Republicans to win an election isn't a strategy I've ever really seen work. For all their "moderation" they just vote Republican anyway, but in the process, you manage to alienate the base and dampen enthusiasm.

 

[Pionart]

Politics pulls in power seekers,
Praising the pundits of snaring,
Turning the populace into believers
Of deceptiveness overbearing.

From our lives, do they line their pocket.
From our hearts, do they boost their pride.
Everyday usurping our power,
While the poor fall amongst us in plight.

Where are the ones to stand brave and tall?
To tell to these tyrants beware?
For they were not quiet, for sake of us all,
Their defence to defer to the rare.

 

[ceecee]

Person who lives on the bottom wants the person above them to pay for free stuff.

Person who lives on the bottom likely pays $2k/mo for that apartment. Just go sit down, have some tea and a cookie.

 

[Red Memories]

I have a friend who voted for Bernie in 2016 but is a Pete supporter now. I haven't quite figured it out yet now, but I think the fact that she grew up in Indiana had something to do with it. She'd vote for Bernie in the general, though. She's just expressed concern that he'll alienate moderates. I'm of the mind this if someone Trump is a better option when faced with Bernie, they weren't that moderate to begin with. I also remember how much Republicans appreciated Obama and Clinton's attempts to reach across the aisle.

To me it seems like repeating some of the same mistakes of Hillary's campaign, and I'm surprised she can't see that since she's often criticized her.

This was something Chuck Schumer said in 2016 about HIlalry:



Guess what? That didn't work out. I think pandering to moderate Republicans to win an election isn't a strategy I've ever really seen work. For all their "moderation" they just vote Republican anyway, but in the process, you manage to alienate the base and dampen enthusiasm.

I have to admit as a liberal leaning centrist I do feel alienated by quite a few of these candidates. I will say I actually voted for Hillary, but I absolutely felt like she was out of touch as much as Trump was. I'm not a fan of Warren, have issues with Bernie (especially with the squad endorsing him because I do not like the squad), and there are just some very progressive policies I don't like. A Bernie/trump election makes me want to turn independent and write someone in. which is what I almost did in the 2016 election as well.

 

[Jaguar]

Person who lives on the bottom likely pays $2k/mo for that apartment.

Cheap rent. Go work on that list of conspiracy theories to unleash on us during the upcoming elections.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I have to admit as a liberal leaning centrist I do feel alienated by quite a few of these candidates. I will say I actually voted for Hillary, but I absolutely felt like she was out of touch as much as Trump was. I'm not a fan of Warren, have issues with Bernie (especially with the squad endorsing him because I do not like the squad), and there are just some very progressive policies I don't like. A Bernie/trump election makes me want to turn independent and write someone in. which is what I almost did in the 2016 election as well.

Who is the most appealing to you? Bloomberg?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Cheap rent. Go work on that list of conspiracy theories to unleash on us during the upcoming elections.

cheap, my ass

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

cheap, my ass

I seem to remember him saying 7000 dollars was nothing for him at some point, although I can't recall the specific context. I think Jaguar has a different understand of cheap than the average American.

 

[The Cat]

different work ethic too.

 

[Jaguar]

cheap, my ass

Do I really need to hear about the price of your ass? No thanks.

 

[ceecee]

Projected costs of single-payer healthcare financing in the United States: A systematic review of economic analyses

https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/blahous-costs-medicare-mercatus-working-paper-v1_1.pdf

22 studies agree: 'Medicare for All' saves money | TheHill

 

[Jaguar]

At Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, he was an engineering major, a mostly C student, the first Jewish member of Phi Kappa Psi, president of his fraternity and president of his class. He talked to his friends about wanting to be the president of the United States.

None of that shit even surprises me. Now, get the fuck out of the race.

 

[Virtual ghost]

cheap, my ass

Person who lives on the bottom likely pays $2k/mo for that apartment. Just go sit down, have some tea and a cookie.

Curious, why so many Americans are paying rent ?
I mean here the monthly money needed to pay the rent and the loan for buying the place aren't that different. Therefore people prefer to take a loan for buying their place, especially since in that case they become owners and eventually they can sell the place for large amount of money (what isn't the case with rent). Therefore rent is generally only for situations when you will not stick around or your life is in chaos.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I mean there aren't any other alternatives ?

 

[Jaguar]

I mean there aren't any other alternatives ?

Renting can easily be preferable to owning since many not only have a mortgage payment, but also property taxes and home insurance. They also may have to put a chunk of money down, just to get the mortgage to begin with.

 

[ceecee]

I mean there aren't any other alternatives ?

Other than buying and renting? No, just variations of them.

 

[Red Herring]

Curious, why so many Americans are paying rent ?
I mean here the monthly money needed to pay the rent and the loan for buying the place aren't that different. Therefore people prefer to take a loan for buying their place, especially since in that case they become owners and eventually they can sell the place for large amount of money (what isn't the case with rent). Therefore rent is generally only for situations when you will not stick around or your life is in chaos.

What you describe reminds me of Spain. That was a recipe for desaster though when the flexible morgage rates rose drastically.
Here in Germany renting is totally normal as people often move due to job changes, relationship changes, etc. Real estate prices also fluctuate a lot which, together with maintenance costs, etc makes them a risky investment.