Random Politics Thread

[Jaguar]

You said as much earlier when I was talking about taxation. You said it was unfair to tax them because they "contribute more." You said that capitalism was awesome because it rewards people who work hard. Never once have you acknowledged an understanding of why people might want to tax billionaires more. Instead, you've constantly denounced it as unjust because they "work harder."

Considering there's no evidence to justify an absurd claim that a billionaire "works harder" than a millionaire, or that someone in banking "works harder" than someone who makes a mere 15 bucks an hour shoveling dog shit, your post makes no sense.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Considering there's no evidence to justify an absurd claim that a billionaire "works harder" than a millionaire, or that someone in banking "works harder" than someone who makes a mere 15 bucks an hour shoveling dog shit, your post makes no sense.

It's what you said, bro, if not in those words. You don't remember railing against the idea that teachers should be paid more because there is no way they approach equal value to CEOs? Maybe you're the one who needs to lay off the drugs.

 

[Jaguar]

It's what you said, bro, if not in those words. You don't remember railing against the idea that teachers should be paid more because there is no way they approach equal value to CEOs? Maybe you're the one who needs to lay off the drugs.

Then post a link. I'll wait.

 

[ceecee]

From the world of no shit really??

https://shadowandact.com/new-study-details-how-crime-shows-are-a-pr-machine-for-law-enforcement

Crime dramas are the cornerstone of primetime television, but according to Color of Change's groundbreaking report, the genre is reinforcing policies and attitudes surrounding the criminal justice system that hurt people of color the most. In fact, the report suggests that the amount of negative bias and misinformation in crime procedurals makes them a "PR machine" for law enforcement and the criminal justice system as a whole.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

From the world of no shit really??

New Study: Crime Shows Are A 'PR Machine' For Law Enforcement

Really? I thought a lot of those shows went out of their way to show white criminals, especially the ones focused on profilers. On Criminal Minds it seems like it's usually some creepy Ted Bundy looking guy they're after. I mean I can see how crime shows back in the day were probably portraying black and Hispanic people more stereotypically. Just seems like an outdated reaction to what's actually on TV now, as if they studied shows that were popular like 10 or more years ago.

Personally I wish crime shows would feature interracial gangs like you'd always see Bronson fighting in those Death Wish movies. I like how 80s movies made an effort to showcase diverse bands of criminals, and the victims of those crimes were usually a diverse lot, especially in Death Wish 3, the greatest movie ever in the history of movies. Even if you look at Dirty Harry movies, often considered fascist, reactionary artifacts, more often he's chasing white criminals. In 1 and 3 he has to deal with crazy white hippie types, in 2 he actually has to deal with rogue police officers who are acting as vigilantes, and in 4 he has to deal with small town white hick types. In 5 it's some white serial killer dude. And usually his partners were people of color. It's usually that way in stuff like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard too, often some eastern European villain types (DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!! It's Just been revoked!!) For that matter, most of Walker Texas Ranger's villains tended to be white dudes too. Poorly acted white dudes who couldn't handle roundhouse kicks.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Then post a link. I'll wait.

I tried looking, I couldn't find the actually thread. There is a possibility I confused you with Tellenbach, who I could find saying something to that effect, but I do seem to remember you saying that as well.

 

[Red Herring]

Really? I thought a lot of those shows went out of their way to show white criminals, especially the ones focused on profilers. On Criminal Minds it seems like it's usually some creepy Ted Bundy looking guy they're after. I mean I can see how crime shows back in the day were probably portraying black and Hispanic people more stereotypically. Just seems like an outdated reaction to what's actually on TV now, as if they studied shows that were popular like 10 or more years ago.

Personally I wish crime shows would feature interracial gangs like you'd always see Bronson fighting in those Death Wish movies. I like how 80s movies made an effort to showcase diverse bands of criminals, and the victims of those crimes were usually a diverse lot, especially in Death Wish 3, the greatest movie ever in the history of movies. Even if you look at Dirty Harry movies, often considered fascist, reactionary artifacts, more often he's chasing white criminals. In 1 and 3 he has to deal with crazy white hippie types, in 2 he actually has to deal with rogue police officers who are acting as vigilantes, and in 4 he has to deal with small town white hick types. In 5 it's some white serial killer dude. And usually his partners were people of color. It's usually that way in stuff like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard too, often some eastern European villain types (DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!! It's Just been revoked!!) For that matter, most of Walker Texas Ranger's villains tended to be white dudes too. Poorly acted white dudes who couldn't handle roundhouse kicks.

Hmm, maybe what they meant is that they tend to propagate an image of the police that ultimately harms the minorities that are most often suffering from police overreach? As a European I have noticed how American crime shows/cop shows tend to present a worldview where it's normal to draw your gun and escalate very quickly, where it's no biggie if a criminal or a suspect dies, where lawyers (and worse: human rights organisations!) are a nuisance, where journalists asking questions are a nuisance, where the harder the punishment the better, where cops feel personal spite towards criminals and often use unnecessary violence towards them, where cops see the populations as a constant potential threat, where cops breaking the laws is not a biggie and cops covering up for the slip-ups of other cops is normal and morally right because hey, we are one big blue family, etc.

I have seen all of the above over and over again in a variety of American shows from the last decade or two and it struck me as strange and foreign.

 

[Virtual ghost]

From the world of no shit really??

New Study: Crime Shows Are A 'PR Machine' For Law Enforcement

I don't even know why this has to be pointed. Here you can also see some of those shows and it is totally obvious to pretty much everyone that this is subtle propaganda. When you aren't American it is probably even more obvious. Some have even compared all these with propaganda movies we had during our totalitarian years. Good vs Bad, the guns, the legal order, the cheap dialogue .... etc. While on the other hand you have shows/movies that seen to be made as if there is no such a thing as legal order. I am not fundamentally against all this but if a channel is showing 4+ hours of these in a row that is kinda messed up. Plus we are importing PTSD needlessly.

Hmm, maybe what they meant is that they tend to propagate an image of the police that ultimately harms the minorities that are most often suffering from police overreach? As a European I have noticed how American crime shows/cop shows tend to present a worldview where it's normal to draw your gun and escalate very quickly, where it's no biggie if a criminal or a suspect dies, where lawyers (and worse: human rights organisations!) are a nuisance, where journalists asking questions are a nuisance, where the harder the punishment the better, where cops feel personal spite towards criminals and often use unnecessary violence towards them, where cops see the populations as a constant potential threat, where cops breaking the laws is not a biggie and cops covering up for the slip-ups of other cops is normal and morally right because hey, we are one big blue family, etc.

I have seen all of the above over and over again in a variety of American shows from the last decade or two and it struck me as strange and foreign.

You are more of a Inspector Rex type I presume ?





Believe it or not here we tried to copy these American shows and one of the major stars just got arrested recently for real. Because he was trying to extort shitload of money from one entrepreneur. He even "barked" at the journalists for "waiting" him in front of the local jail. I guess we can talk about "bad influence".

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I don't even know why this has to be pointed. Here you can also see some of those shows and it is totally obvious to pretty much everyone that this is subtle propaganda. When you aren't American it is probably even more obvious. Some have even compared all these with propaganda movies we had during our totalitarian years. Good vs Bad, the guns, the legal order, the cheap dialogue .... etc. While on the other hand you have shows/movies that seen to be made as if there is no such a thing as legal order. I am not fundamentally against all this but if a channel is showing 4+ hours of these in a row that is kinda messed up. Plus we are importing PTSD needlessly.

I never particular cared for these shows, probably because they had I picked up on the vibe of propaganda. I prefer noir stories where the cops are also crooked, anyway.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

LA confidential was good

 

[Red Herring]

You are more of a Inspector Rex type I presume ?

God, no. Does that even count as a crime show?

Germans love crime drama, but much of what is produced here is rather lame (very conservative and vanilla, mostly very light material targeted at people over 60 if it's a public and lower-middle to lower class if it's a private channel - there is very little innovation and the channels mostly play itself oldfashioned style in content and form). I prefer British, Scandinavian, French or Belgian shows.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think that's true about US crime shows too. They're really popular with old people. One of the hilarious things is how they're obviously written in such a way that any technobabble is understandable for people over 75.

quick, just start mashing buttons on the same keyboard. if that fails, just unplug the monitor.

 

[ceecee]

I think that's true about US crime shows too. They're really popular with old people. One of the hilarious things is how they're obviously written in such a way that any technobabble is understandable for people over 75.

quick, just start mashing buttons on the same keyboard. if that fails, just unplug the monitor.

I think I read that NCIS is the most popular show on TV and has been for years.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think I read that NCIS is the most popular show on TV and has been for years.

Not a surprise, and aren't the majority of people watching actual broadcast TV these days over 50?

 

[ceecee]

Not a surprise, and aren't the majority of people watching actual broadcast TV these days over 50?

Outside of watching sports, yes I think so.

 

[Jaguar]

I tried looking, I couldn't find the actually thread. There is a possibility I confused you with Tellenbach, who I could find saying something to that effect, but I do seem to remember you saying that as well.

This is a link to my posting history using the word "teacher." As anyone can plaining see, there is no recent discussion on my end regarding a teacher's salary. Nor do I even care to discuss such a topic.

https://www.typologycentral.com/forums/threadloom/threadloom.php?query=teacher user:"Jaguar"&tab=833

Your issue is with Tellenbach. Go there.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

This is a link to my posting history using the word "teacher." As anyone can plaining see, there is no recent discussion on my end regarding a teacher's salary. Nor do I even care to discuss such a topic.

https://www.typologycentral.com/forums/threadloom/threadloom.php?query=teacher user:"Jaguar"&tab=833

Your issue is with Tellenbach. Go there.

Well, if I'm wrong, I apologize.

 

[Jaguar]

'Take her out': Recording appears to capture Trump at private dinner saying he wants Ukraine ambassador fired
"Get rid of her!" is what the voice that appears to be Trump’s is heard saying. "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care. Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it."

Where's the recording?

 

[Virtual ghost]

I never particular cared for these shows, probably because they had I picked up on the vibe of propaganda. I prefer noir stories where the cops are also crooked, anyway.

Genuine question: Why ?

 

[Virtual ghost]

God, no. Does that even count as a crime show?

Germans love crime drama, but much of what is produced here is rather lame (very conservative and vanilla, mostly very light material targeted at people over 60 if it's a public and lower-middle to lower class if it's a private channel - there is very little innovation and the channels mostly play itself oldfashioned style in content and form). I prefer British, Scandinavian, French or Belgian shows.

I don't know I am just testing where are you. Inspector Rex is something that you should watch with kids.


But I will dare to say that crime stories here don't pass too well as in other countries. We also don't know how to make them well and American ones aren't too believable here, too different social landscape. While good chunk of people is tired of depressive stuff if they have a choice.