Random political thought thread.

[ceecee]

I kinda thought I said something without intent (I have accidentally been too vague and allowed the mind to wander before, it wasn't meant to be a direct attack, it was more asking to be informed why this was being tossed into it) because two people were now discussing that. XD

To be clear - I do not think criminalization of merely having the substance is going to fix substance abuse. But I am also not sure what will because some abusers refuse to accept or fix their problem. Also I think it should still be criminal to put others at risk with your usage (i.e. driving under the influence or using AND selling it to other people) but it seems a daunting task to try to figure out the correct solution for a drug problem existing.

I am well aware addiction has little to do with the substance itself, and more to do with whatever void you're attempting to fill. I just wish these people would let someone help. I think it is just years of frustration wanting loved ones to stop blaming their addiction for everything and truly get help for what got them addicted. I think there's too much emphasis on the drug itself being the problem and not enough on the personal problems of the person.

A big problem is with the reactionary right and left that supports punitive punishment legislation. It doesn't work. The war on drugs doesn't work. Perhaps attempting to create a country where less people feel a need to self medicate to the point of addiction because they have mental health care. Perhaps make schools less of a pathway to prison. Perhaps doing exactly the opposite of most of this shit that has been proven to not work and make things worse - is worth thinking more about.

 

[The Cat]

A big problem is with the reactionary right and left that supports punitive punishment legislation. It doesn't work. The war on drugs doesn't work. Perhaps attempting to create a country where less people feel a need to self medicate to the point of addiction because they have mental health care. Perhaps make schools less of a pathway to prison. Perhaps doing exactly the opposite of most of this shit that has been proven to not work and make things worse - is worth thinking more about.

Can you imagine how many people would seek help with drug addiction if they didnt risk being locked up and thrown away or totally socially rejected as degenerates by people who dont struggle with it?

 

[ceecee]

Can you imagine how many people would seek help with drug addiction if they didnt risk being locked up and thrown away or totally socially rejected as degenerates by people who dont struggle with it?

Oh my god it would be a huge amount. Help that doesn't include religious entities or work release or some kind of dehumanizing method. The amount of social ills that could be cured just by providing people with health care and nothing else, is probably more than we can fathom.

 

[Maou]

Im pro-rehabilitation and anti-incarseration of non-violent drug offenders. #notallrepiblicans

Also, did yall forget the prison reform Trump did to aide these very people to get out of their sentences fast for good behavior?

First Step Act - Wikipedia

This is a step in the right direction for prison reform. Also, part of the problem with drugs was the southern border and gang activity. Biden was also the one that passed the very bill that incarcerated people who did drugs, even though non-violent.

Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia

 

[Lord Lavender]

Gonna add my bit to this discussion. I don't think drugs of any kind should be criminal. Its just a sliding slope and I don't feel comfortable with government and society getting to say what is right and wrong drug wise. Like why is alchol and tobbaco legal while weed is not despite the former two being worse for the self and those around them.

Yet I would fight to stop alcohol being banned, people should be trusted to make their own choices. Plus I think instead of demonizing drug users maybe try and help them if they are suffering like maybe they are using drugs to cope with a untreated mental illness, money troubles, e.t.c.(Its disgusting imo to demonize people who need help) In that case throwing them into jail isn't going to solve anything. I think some people like the idea of throwing drug users into jail because it feeds their sense of vengeance or they want to see the police/justive system as doing something.

 

[Red Memories]

A big problem is with the reactionary right and left that supports punitive punishment legislation. It doesn't work. The war on drugs doesn't work. Perhaps attempting to create a country where less people feel a need to self medicate to the point of addiction because they have mental health care. Perhaps make schools less of a pathway to prison. Perhaps doing exactly the opposite of most of this shit that has been proven to not work and make things worse - is worth thinking more about.

I prefer this option. I've said similar of some greater issues though, that we are bandaging a symptom of a greater problem....Until we fix those greater problems we will continue to face issues of substance abuse and violence for that matter.

 

[Red Memories]

Don't be so sure...
40 Side Effects of Drinking Too Much Soda | Eat This Not That

What I said: it does not deprive me of certain cognitive abilities.
What I didn't say: Soda is a completely healthy thing that everyone can drink readily.

I am aware though people have different reactions to different things and as with anything, you should listen to your own responses and decide accordingly whether or not this is a safe thing for you. There are many people who drink alcohol who never become alcoholics, who can moderate easily and etc. Similar to my awareness many people drink soda for energy and I've never actually received the apparent caffeine energy high I am supposed to receive from it.

I can drink a can of soda before bed and sleep like a baby. Soda mellows me out actually. XD

 

[ceecee]

I prefer this option. I've said similar of some greater issues though, that we are bandaging a symptom of a greater problem....Until we fix those greater problems we will continue to face issues of substance abuse and violence for that matter.

Oregon May Become First State to Decriminalize Small Possession of All Drugs

This is a small but important step, at least for folks in Oregon. Only issue is in states like Michigan with a GOP legislature, even when the people vote overwhelmingly for a measure or proposal, these fucks have no respect for that voice and gut it or de-legitimatize the vote. It's the only way they win.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I’m not surprised that some of the butch ones might find a certain appeal in him.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

We really need preference ballots, though I can see how that would be nightmarish to implement in such a scattered system of counting ballots.

But I could “vote my conscience” without feeling like it were a toss away vote

 

[Virtual ghost]

I stayed here for the "big show" and now when the main part is done I simply have to lower my time here by visible margin. I will stay somewhat present on this sub-forum but now real life simply requires much more of my attention. Therefore I simply don't have the time to "invent" and post complex analytical stuff few times a day. What kinda answers the asked question of what I will do after all of this is over.

So thanks everyone for exchanges and we will be seeing you around.

 

[Stigmata]

It is funny to listen to Republicans cry voter fraud when they were caught multiple times, in various states, engaging in voter suppression tactics.

Deflection and projection.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I stayed here for the "big show" and now when the main part is done I simply have to lower my time here by visible margin. I will stay somewhat present on this sub-forum but now real life simply requires much more of my attention. Therefore I simply don't have the time to "invent" and post complex analytical stuff few times a day. What kinda answers the asked question of what I will do after all of this is over.

So thanks everyone for exchanges and we will be seeing you around.

Well, I hope you still stick around occasionally. I've grown to really appreciate your posts.

 

[Jaguar]

I stayed here for the "big show" and now when the main part is done I simply have to lower my time here by visible margin. I will stay somewhat present on this sub-forum but now real life simply requires much more of my attention. Therefore I simply don't have the time to "invent" and post complex analytical stuff few times a day. What kinda answers the asked question of what I will do after all of this is over.

So thanks everyone for exchanges and we will be seeing you around.

I find your posts a valuable contribution to this forum. And don't let anyone ever make you think differently - no matter what color the letters are in their username.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Well, I hope you still stick around occasionally. I've grown to really appreciate your posts.

Well I am fundamentally not going anywhere but I just don't have the time for a few deep explanations and walls of texts just about everyday (which require energy and time in order to make focused reply). However I will drop posts from time to time, if anything into my global thread. But I simply need to divert more energy into real life at this point in order to stay ahead of potential problems. I mean I got asked "What now ?" so I suppose that needed the genuine answer. I absorbed what there was in typology long ago and I kinda stayed simply because of this sub forum that is kinda out of the box. However since the elections will be over soon I need to divert time into other things. Especially since this isn't my local politics that directly effects me. For me all of this was more of pet project, practice of English and exploration abroad than anything else, even if it was a intellectual pleasure. But now I just have to move forward.

 

[Maou]

I really wish you guys would post more outside of the political section.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I really wish you guys would post more outside of the political section.

Perhaps.

 

[The Cat]

I stayed here for the "big show" and now when the main part is done I simply have to lower my time here by visible margin. I will stay somewhat present on this sub-forum but now real life simply requires much more of my attention. Therefore I simply don't have the time to "invent" and post complex analytical stuff few times a day. What kinda answers the asked question of what I will do after all of this is over.

So thanks everyone for exchanges and we will be seeing you around.

I'm damn sure gonna miss your regular updates. Good luck with your irl pursuits Please also when you can, please continue to upload nature shots from your excursions in your area. Be well.

 

[Red Memories]

I really wish you guys would post more outside of the political section.

I think maybe a lot of them feel they've talked mbti to death by the time we both arrived and perhaps they feel this is a more useful bearing of their time. I do wish I could see more discussions outside of politics too though.

 

[ceecee]

I stayed here for the "big show" and now when the main part is done I simply have to lower my time here by visible margin. I will stay somewhat present on this sub-forum but now real life simply requires much more of my attention. Therefore I simply don't have the time to "invent" and post complex analytical stuff few times a day. What kinda answers the asked question of what I will do after all of this is over.

So thanks everyone for exchanges and we will be seeing you around.

I would absolutely listen to your podcast over that goober Nate Silver any day. I don't care if you are doing pizza hot takes or politics.

Are there any American pizza chains in Croatia? Maybe in Zagreb or one of the bigger cities.